Arrests in money-laundering raids

RTE is reporting that in a series of raids by Garda officers, in an “investigation focused on money-laundering” 7 people have been arrested, 4 in Cork and 3 in Dublin.. According to the RTE report “the gardaí seized more than £2m sterling in the Cork operations, which targetted funding to the Provisional IRA” and “they seized £60,000 which they believe to have come from the raid on the Northern Bank.” – The BBC is also reporting the RTE story but isn’t confirming the link to the Northern Bank.

Update

The RTE report now states that an unnamed Sinn Féin politician was among those arrested in Cork.

While the BBC report notes –

Sinn Fein’s Martin McGuiness has told RTE that he was unaware of the arrests and said he would make no comment on the matter until he had more information.

Update to the Update

The RTE report now states “It is understood that a former Sinn Féin elected representative is among those arrested”

  • maca

    Jacko, go and stick on the kettle then have a relaxing cup of cha. Maybe watch a bit of tv and give the aul PC a rest. 😉

  • Richard Delevan

    Terrific discussion going on on Vincent Browne on RTE, focusing on the probable level of Sinn Fein support in the south after this. Browne making the point that if Jean McConville’s saga just before the last general election didn’t dent their vote, this won’t either. Listen here.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    James,

    I believe that’s were the term laundering came from.

    RTE,

    Independent Newspapers correspondent Jim Cusack travelled down from UTV to be on Prime Time RTE 9.30pm. He stated that all the money recovered today was from the Northern raid, for definite. He did not mention the £10 million that he had falsely alluded to earlier as that would have been a tad embarrassing to his role as an expert on RTE.
    SF was offered a role on the programme, but in what can only be called a cowardly move resfused to put up a spokesperson. on the plus side Ian P jnr came on and behaved in that appalling manner that even grates fellow unionists.

  • Ringo

    Mickhall,

    what a miserable rallying cry when a bit of introspection is required from republicans.

  • Jacko

    maca
    I think it’s you guys, the minor apparatchiks, trying unsuccessfully to employ the old damage limitation and shifting of focus tricks, that need a rest.

    Mickhall
    It doesn’t matter what they get up to then – as long as someone claims it is all in pursuit of a UI.

  • maca

    Jacko
    “I think it’s you guys, the minor apparatchiks, trying unsuccessfully to employ the old damage limitation and shifting of focus tricks, that need a rest.”

    If you think i’m trying for ‘damage limitation’ or ‘shifting of focus’ then you clearly need to take a break. The kettle must be boiled by now. 😉
    Apparatchik – good one!

  • IJP

    ShayPaul

    Weekdays 7:30 & 10:00 do ye automatically get Skynews Ireland or regular skynews?

    You get ‘regular Sky News’.

    However, you can go to ‘add channels’ and add Sky News Ireland to receive the Irish version.

    Davros

    No offence taken at all, you’re absolutely right!

    (It is a sign of someone with confidence in their view that they don’t mind people making fun of it!)

  • Davros

    Cheers IJP 😀

  • Davros

    Richard – clicked and the discussion is over – but a great version of Handbags and Gladrags by Mary Coughlan, Cheers!

  • Alan2

    “more than 60k in Northern notes.”

    Pat, I would have thought the opposite. The Northern notes would be the give away and would be spread thinly or even destroyed. The rest of the Sterling, Euros and Dollars would be far easier to deal with.

    Jim Cusack said on UTV £10m was unconfirmed but at least £2million.

  • alex s

    “come the weekend will still be the largest nationalist party in the north and thus will need to be shown the respect its mandate demands”

    mickhall, its the Good Friday Agreement that gives the Shinners the entitlement to be included in a future administration with their 25% share of the vote, the problem is thanks to Sinn Fein and the IRA the GFA is virtually dead in the water, the only way to restore its credibility is to go back to its founding principal of all the parties being committed by their actions, not just their words, to non-violence and that includes robberies etc, the irony is that it is the GFA that guarantees Sinn Fein their right to be included in an executive yet an executive will only be re-established if Sinn Fein are excluded until they play by the rules. If nationalists and for that matter republicans aren’t prepared to move on without Sinn Fein, at least temporally, the whole project is down the tubes.

    25% of a popular vote in a standard democracy does not entitle Sinn Fein to a say, the Good Friday Agreement does.

  • Jacko

    The Times is naming the Sinn Fein guy arrested:

    “The arrest in Cork comes after weeks of denials by Sinn Fein that the IRA was involved. Tom Hanlon, who in the past stood for the Irish Parliament as a Sinn Fein candidate and is a former councillor, was arrested with two other men and a woman. Three more men were arrested in Dublin.”

    Maca
    Had that cup of tea and a lie down and still haven’t a clue what James was on about, perhaps you could explain.

  • mickhall

    Mickhall,

    what a miserable rallying cry when a bit of introspection is required from republicans.

    Posted by: Ringo

    Ringo

    Did I write something which was untrue, No, I simply stated a fact, what you are calling introspection, others term sackcloth and ashes, hardly helpful. Better to wait for the ROI legal system to do its work.

    Jacko,

    I long ago gave up on the broken egg theory of political activity, preferring to see an omelette, no matter how thin it may turn out to be on the first attempt.

  • Davros

    Some details on Gavin’s Blog

    and guess what … SF election agent ….

  • Davros

    Whoops – hat-tip to Young Irelander’s site for the link to Gavin.

  • Jacko

    mickhall
    I prefer to be realistic myself.

  • spirit-level

    Davros
    what a hoot
    Gavin’s blog really should have said
    “Painter by day”
    and the other site
    wot a roasting
    That’s what’s been upsetting me.

    those news sites before are
    up to date 5/10 mins
    Nuz is every 5 hours !!!

  • Richard Delevan

    The Times of London follows Gavin’s scoop, and also names the top SF suspect in custody. It’s Tom Hanlon, Passage West councillor and 2002 candidate for TD in Cork South Central. Also election agent to SF’s 2004 MEP candidate for South Constituency. Way to go Gavin – I nominate him for the 2005 Dashiell Hammett Investigative Blog Award.

  • spirit-level
  • spirit-level
  • Davros

    Careful S-L, you have press reports. Nothing more , nothing less.

  • cg

    “So now we have the proof
    ” >Tom Hanlon
    dirty lying bastards”

    An absolute disgrace S-L

    Has this man been found guilty of a crime? NO!!

    What makes you think you have the right to slate someone’s character with out even knowing the full facts?

    Cavanman was yellow-carded for less

  • Richard Delevan

    Irish Times leads (no subs req bc frontpage) with it (though doesn’t name Hanlon, he’s readily identifiable). And adds these juicy titbits:
    “Gardaí strongly believe that some or all of the cash seized was part of the haul from the raid on the Northern Bank in Belfast before Christmas.
    The home of a close relative of a man working in a key position for the Government was among the premises raided in Co Louth, although he was not arrested. A Cork businessman is also among those arrested.
    Last night a man walked into Anglesea Street Garda station in Cork and handed gardaí more than £200,000 in cash. He is believed to have been given the money to hide by one of those arrested.”

  • Davros

    There’s something unreal about all of this, reads like something from Conan Doyle or one of those B&W Gangster films here spinning newspapers have headlines “Sensational developments in XYZ case “.

  • willowfield

    mickhall

    What im saying is there will still be a need for a peace process of some sort or other.

    Can’t we just have peace? The never-ending “process” is very tiresome and costly.

    SF, come the weekend will still be the largest nationalist party in the north and thus will need to be shown the respect its mandate demands.

    Should the BNP be shown the respect its mandate demands in Burnley? Should the French National Front be shown the respect its mandate demands in France?

  • Henry94

    cg

    We can get to the trial and beyond with the party line butother than amusing people it wouldn’t achieve much. The time hascome to decide what kind of party Sinn Fein wants to be.

    Republicans can’t be criminals the man said.

    What I want to know is can criminals be republicans. I won’t be voting Sinn Fein again unless I get a satisfactory answer to that question. Did the IRA lie to Martin McGuinness or did Martin McGuinness lie to the rest of us?

    Either way I’m sick of it.

  • Alan2

    Perhaps it is time for the Southern parties to organise up North?

  • Henry94

    Alan2

    I think it is.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Gonzo,

    ‘According to one normally-reliable source, some of the serial numbers match notes stolen from the Northern Bank.

    I am treating this cautiously right now, so if I get independent confirmation, I’ll let you know.’

    Excellent post Gonzo, just enough wriggle room to let you off the hook if the story is crap but enough to be able to claim a scoop. BTW real examination of the notes will begin when they are transferred to Garda HQ in Dublin mid Friday morning.

    Richard,

    ‘Last night a man walked into Anglesea Street Garda station in Cork and handed gardaí more than £200,000 in cash. He is believed to have been given the money to hide by one of those arrested.’

    Has there been any confirmation on this as no news agency seems to be carrying it.

  • Henry94

    Pat

    RTE had it this morning.

    Where do you think we go from here?

  • Alan

    Can there be a better opportunity for the RM to set P O’Neil on his long boat, throw on the torches and push him out into the Fjiord.

  • Davros

    Bathwater/Baby : SF/Leadership

    Struggle between Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.

  • smcgiff

    The fledgling newspaper Daily Ireland will not be affected because one of it’s directors was arrested in connection with money laundering – Discuss.

  • Henry94

    smcgiff

    He wasn’t arrested.

  • Alan2

    It could all just be subtle manipulation to force disbandment of the Provos of course. I really hope this doesnt lead to a long hot summer after all the work done by all sides of the community over past years.

  • Allrightthinkingpeople

    As a SF supporter, I think the terrible vista opening up for the leadership is going to have to cause some fundamental realignment within the Republican Movement, and possibly another 1997-type split. I think we might see SF recover something out of this if they play their cards right, but anathematising the IRA (which now seems a compelling course of action?) will bring its own dangers.

  • spirit-level

    The Lord Jesus Christ warned His followers, “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves (Matt. 7:15).
    The warning was important because Jesus later said to them: “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; therefore be shrewd as serpents, and innocent as doves” (Matt. 10:16). en:

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Henry,

    too early to say as there seems to be a whirlwind of information (sic) flying in all directions. Throughout the day might bring a bit of clarity to the situation.

    S-L

    Not the bible, please.

  • spirit-level

    ok Pat just fer you 😉

    Hope there’ll be some convictions here
    If the gardai don’t mess things up.
    What’s needed is a large cull
    Perhaps the Justice Minister may need to
    go to the Dail
    to get funding for more prisons

  • Jacko

    Allrightthinkingpeople
    “As a SF supporter, I think the terrible vista opening up for the leadership is going to have to cause some fundamental realignment within the Republican Movement, and possibly another 1997-type split.”

    I see the logic of what you are saying, or at least what leads you to saying it, but would make two points.

    Firstly, it presumes that there are differing views on such criminal activities at leadership level. That, to say the least, is not something that can be presumed.
    Also, by that presumption, it kind of puts certain guys forward as “doves” being dragged down by hawks – convenient for some people at this time.
    Secondly, why the realignment this late in the day? Just because things have been exposed like never before? Sounds more like cynical damage limitation than a genuine belief that all political parties should behave within the law.

  • spirit-level

    Great post Jacko

    It’s a simple case of right and wrong
    and that’s what the law is there for.

    All the politicking,
    and oh dear
    there’s gonna be
    so much of
    it the coming weeks
    merely serves a lie
    to mask the truth.

    McGuiness
    the master illusionist
    The great hypnotist
    has had us all conned

    Ireland awake from
    this sorcerers spell.
    Reclaim your land
    reclaim your heart and soul once more
    and honour the true fallen hero’s.

    opps I’d better get
    to that job interview

  • Davros
  • Davros

    Unrelated to the above post by me :

    Coincidence ?
    Man shot in both legs after being abducted in Co Louth

  • Two Nations

    Even though it warms my heart to see the shinners finally reaping what they have sown over the years, my one big fear is that it will put unionists off talking to republicans for a long time.

    I used to understand the need for the SF doublespeak and the imaginary barriers they put up between them and the actions of the IRA. But what used to appear as pragmatism, now just looks sleazy. The shinners have definitely ‘jumped the shark’ in 2005.

    What is needed now is for new voices to come from republican areas, that are not tainted by this SF sleaze factor. I wouldn’t care who they are or what they have done in the past, I just want republicans who talk straight and have no party line they have to stick to. I am sick of SF spin.

    I can think of Anthony McIntyre, Mick Hall, John Kelly and our own Henry84 for starters. I know they are republicans through and through but they talk straight and they make me want to listen and understand. Our peace process deserves republicans like them.

  • J Kelly

    Two nations i believe that the republican community will choose its representatives and with fairness its not for unionist to choose for us.

    On this latest saga give it time the truth will out. If this money was connected to the northern the gards wouldn’t need forensic checks all it would take would be a quick look at serial numbers. Lets take five due process and all that.

  • willowfield

    J Kelly

    The police don’t know the serial numbers of all the notes. I imagine the new notes will have been destroyed – they are useless.

  • Jacko

    Two Nations
    “…it will put unionists off talking to republicans.”

    Hopefully not, just put them off talking to right-wing nationalist gangsters masquerading as Irish republican. There are lot of examples of the real thing out there – and that’s only north of the border.

  • mickhall

    Should the BNP be shown the respect its mandate demands in Burnley? Should the French National Front be shown the respect its mandate demands in France?

    Posted by: willowfield

    Willowfield,

    As much as it sticks in my throat to say it, but yes one does have to respect the democratic mandate of the Front National and the BNP. surly that is what democracy is all about and to bend and twist it, say by banning these Party’s is to bend and twist it out of all recognition. Whilst accepting that such Party’s have a right, due to their electoral mandate to sit in the council or Parliamentary chambers, the rest of us have an equal right to work towards their demise at the ballot box. Surly if authoritarian and racist Party’s gain enough votes to get them elected, then we as democrats are doing something wrong. and we had better find out what it is pretty dam quick. Before it becomes to late, as neither the Party’s you mentioned believe in the democratic process.

    Of course this whole palaver with SF is they have not as yet %100 committed themselves to the democratic process. Myself I have concluded that even if the democratic process is slightly stacked against them, (due to how NI was set up) they have no viable alternative to their full participation in it, not least because that is what the overwhelming majority of the people of the Island of Ireland want. One does not have to be a military strategist to see that to go back fully down the road of armed struggle would be a disaster for republicans.

    On the recent arrests, it is still possible these have little to do with the bank heist, but it is Bertie flexing his muscles and saying to SF, if you wish to go back/carry on with your old ways, this is your future. If so, maybe we will see one of PIRAs arms dumps rolled up, after the inspections I doubt they are that secret. Finally I agree spinning has to end, when you read that committed SF supporters have their doubts about what they are being told by SF’s leadership, one can only conclude beyond their ranks no one believes a word Mr Adams is saying these days.

  • willowfield

    mickhall

    As much as it sticks in my throat to say it, but yes one does have to respect the democratic mandate of the Front National and the BNP.

    OK, so do you think these parties should be included in coalition governments in order to “respect their mandates”?

    surly that is what democracy is all about and to bend and twist it, say by banning these Party’s is to bend and twist it out of all recognition.

    Not sure where the banning suggestion is coming from. I’m certainly not advocating it.

  • Alan2

    “Police in Derry were attacked by stone throwers, with one officer being treated for concussion after he was struck on the head.”

  • Jacko

    Mickhall
    “On the recent arrests, it is still possible these have little to do with the bank heist, but it is Bertie flexing his muscles”

    So, if this money is the proceeds of other crimes other than the Northern Bank it doesn’t matter then? It must be only bertie flexing political muscle?

    As for political mandates, the shinners and others talk as though the mandate allows them to do just as they please and as if it is a permanent thing. Neither is the case.

  • Henry94

    Garda Commissioner Noel Conroy has said suspected members of the Provisional IRA and a dissident republican are among those arrested in connection with yesterday’s seizures of sterling and euro cash in Dublin and Cork.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    “On the recent arrests, it is still possible these have little to do with the bank heist, but it is Bertie flexing his muscles”

    Probably both.

    ‘So, if this money is the proceeds of other crimes other than the Northern Bank it doesn’t matter then? It must be only bertie flexing political muscle?’

    The IRA exists as a very complex organisation with a very wide logistical set up. Of course it has loads of money, didn’t everyone know that.

    ‘As for political mandates, the shinners and others talk as though the mandate allows them to do just as they please and as if it is a permanent thing. Neither is the case.’

    With a mandate you do have responsibilities, while not permanent it is there for the forseeable future.

  • Jacko

    Pat
    Its not that it has loads of money that is the point – how did it get it? Organised crime?
    If so, that makes it a mafia that happens to have a political point of view.

  • James

    maca:

    “You could be right, though many of the reports are claiming 72 hours.”

    Yeah, everyone is reporting 72 hours alright so you are probably right.

    I quoted 1939 legislation and it was possibly amended in that flurry of anti-terrorist legislation following the Omagh bombing.

    48 hours to go.

  • ShayPaul

    WIllowfield :

    “Should the French National Front be shown the respect its mandate demands in France?”

    It should, and it does, though a large part of the population does not agree at all with its’ policies.

    If you read the policies of the NF in france, you will see that they bear a startling resemblance to the DUP and their charismatic leader has an uncanny similarity to Dr NO.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Jacko,

    they’ve had loads of money for the best part of 30 years. Why is everyone acting so surprised?

  • ShayPaul

    I see the UUP are having a go at money laundering themselves. A small effort, but everybody starts somewhere. Should they be excluded for criminal activity ?

  • Davros

    Shay – isn’t that a bit risky ?

  • ShayPaul

    Only if he gets caught.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ferguson always came across as a decent spud.

  • ShayPaul
  • ShayPaul
  • Henry94

    The key question is why was Tom Hanlon arrested.

    He has been released without charge but his arrest was used to link Sinn Fein to what otherwise looks like a dissident operation.

    The only person charged so far is an alleged rira member. None of those who have had files about them sent to the DPP have any connection to Sinn Fein.

    There is a bad smell from this.

  • willowfield

    ShayPaul

    Since mickhall hasn’t answered, I’ll ask you the same question.

    Since you agree that the “mandate” of the French NF should be “respected”, do you believe that this should involve inclusion in a coalition government, which Provos in NI seem to believe is the test of such “respect”?