Loyalists attacked on racist website…

Daily Ireland carries an interesting piece charting the reaction of several Loyalist spokesmen to their targeting by an unnamed website. We think we’ve found the site in question but, unusually for us, considering its main purpose seems to about gathering intelligence on anti racist activists, rather than putting a point of view, we’ve declined to post a link to it.

DI quotes one particularly emotive passage:

Notice there are no union flags on this parade. Plenty of red ones though. How can so-called loyalists mix with these fenian scumbags and still call themselves British? They are a disgrace to this country and should hang their heads in shame.

  • Alan2

    All anti-racist initiatives should be welcomed.

  • oriada

    Hmm, wonder what mysterious website it could possibly be? Quite right not to post the link though, or even name it.

  • Alan2

    Ya only have to copy and paste the above quote into google to find out……..the usual suspects….

  • George

    This is what happens when you work together with neo-nazis by allowing them to speak on loyalist platforms and inviting them over to help out in a “show of force” at Orange Order events like Drumcree.

    The Orange Order demand to march down the Garvaghy Road provided a convenient rallying point for many sections of the Far Right from both Northern Ireland and Britain. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

    Or as one anti-fascist activist put it:

    “For years the fascist right in Britain has
    ‘Supported Ulster’ by attacking Irish events and
    running guns to loyalist paramilitaries. Now,
    with direct involvement of the LVF and the UFF –
    and the silent support of the Orange Order –
    they are extending their activities into
    Ireland.”

    Sooner or later, they’ll advocate taking out those showing weakness to the cause in a night of the long knives.

    Jonny Adair was on National Front marches in Belfast as far back as 1983, the same year a group of skins beat a homeless men to death on the Shankill. Sam McCrory sports a white power tattoo etc. etc. etc.

  • Alan2

    With the domain in question registered to:-

    The National Front
    Administrative Contact’s Address:
    PO Box 1004 Hull
    UK

    A very sinister website.

  • Alan2

    Ironically hosted at:-

    http://www.uncensored-hosting.com

    which has a blackman on it`s front page…

  • Alan2

    “silent support of the Orange Order” – again tell that tot he lodges in Ghana, Togo, the Mohawk Indian lodges and American-Italian lodges…

  • Alan2

    It just shows how “the divide” can unite left and right on both sides. It can easily be shown that Republicans are an uneasy mix of far right neo-Nazi`s and extreme-left radical commies.

  • Alan2

    Rather than yapping it would be helpful to support those who have the nerve to come out and oppose racism.

  • maca

    There’s lots of such sites. A particular Dublin based racist group made the headlines with their website a few years back. They had serious support from the UK as well as all over Europe and the US. Very sick people.

    There should be no such thing as “unrestricted content” as many webhosts call it. It’s about time there was more legislation in place to take care of these sorts of people. Take away their voice would be a good step, IMHO.

  • George

    Alan2,
    “silent support of the Orange Order” – again tell that tot he lodges in Ghana, Togo, the Mohawk Indian lodges and American-Italian lodges…”

    the Master of the Ghana Orange Order was in NI at the time and refused to march at Drumcree.

    He did not remain silent on the issue, he refused to march “where we are not wanted“.

    You can’t excuse the antics of the Orange Order in an around Drumcree, their silence over the presence of neo-nazis and known terrorists, by virtually saying sure aren’t there black Orangemen too.

    Like pastor Martin Niemöller, the Orange Order in Northern Ireland remained silent. Unlike Pastor Niemöller, they haven’t admitted it or admitted what damage silence can do when dealing with fascists.

  • Fraggle

    Innocent question:

    Alan2, could you easily show evidense of far-right republicans?

  • Alan2

    Yeah. Mr McGeugh ex-SF who stood with an independent in the recent European elections. He compared the recent influx of immigrants to the deluge of Protestants 300 years, calls himself a Catholic patriot et al.

  • George

    Alan2,
    could you explain how an Orange Lodge in Ghana, which refused to march at Drumcree, excuses the yearly presence of neo-nazis at Orange marches at Drumcree and their failure to say anything against it?

    Also, could you tell us more about this McGeugh chap.

    After all former DUP Councillor George Seawright recommended incinerating Catholics but that doesn’t make the DUP a neo-nazi party.

  • Alan2

    “He did not remain silent on the issue, he refused to march “where we are not wanted”.”

    That`s a somewhat different argument to supporting neo-nazi`s.

    Drumcree turned from an Orange march into a political situation. The rights and wrongs of which are not really the point of this thread. However I am sure the OO called for peaceful protest..although it fell far short of that….were any of the people mentioned in the article at Drumcree?

    and no I`m not excusing violence at Drumcree. It was wrong.

  • Alan2

    “excuses the yearly presence of neo-nazis at Orange marches at Drumcree and their failure to say anything against it?”

    I can think of a number of instances where the Order issued staements saying paramilitaries were not welcome at Drumcree (admittedly after couple of years)

  • Jacko

    Let’s not kid ourselves here. The only reason most of the gangsters mentioned in the column made a big deal out of not being racist was to point the finger at the UVF after the Village attacks in a point scoring “It was them not us” exercise.”

  • Alan2

    Try here

    “Good work Jack Black. Its important to expose the neo-Fascists whatever they call themselves. Like cockroaches they fear the light. Gerry McGeough, former Provisional Sinn Fein, one of Barrett’s colleagues is a regular on WBAI’s (New York) Radio Free Eireann, a mouthpiece for Republican Sinn Fein. RFE’s Washington Correspondent, William Hughes has publicly endorsed the anti-Semitic views of Professor Kevin MacDonald. MacDonald was a character witness for English Nazi David Irving in his libel trial with Deborah Lipstadt.”

  • Alan2

    And here

    “THE anti-abortion European election candidate Justin Barrett is being
    backed by a convicted IRA gun-runner and former Sinn Fein national executive member. “

  • George

    Jacko,
    “The only reason most of the gangsters mentioned in the column made a big deal out of not being racist was to point the finger at the UVF after the Village attacks in a point scoring “It was them not us” exercise.”

    I think you hit the nail on the head. Nobody wants to be associated with the swastikas and KKK signs that appeared there.

    Alan2,
    Justin Barrett is an anti-abortion, anti-foreigner, right-wing activist. I don’t think anyone would consider him part of the Republican movement. Gerry McGeough is certainly a hard-core Catholic and Republican, who like most of the DUP hates gay marriages and abortion. I think that is his main reason for hitching himself to Barrett’s wagon.

    As I said, one person doesn’t tar a movement or else George “incinerate Catholics” Seawright would represent the DUP and Fred Crowe the UUP.

    Or Sammy Wilson’s pronouncement of Sinn Fein voters as “sub human animals” and declaration that “Taigs aren’t ratepayers”?

    What does matter is the stance of a party or organisation on such issues.

  • Alan2

    “What does matter is the stance of a party or organisation on such issues.”

    Agreed.

  • N9S

    Ireland is white, Britain is white. Europe is white. Do not let religioun divide the white man. The DUP are scum if they class fellow white people as ‘sub human.’

    This plays into the hands of Jewish supremacy and domination.

    But then again loyalists support the Jews don’t they with your fucking star of david on your now illegitimate flag.

    And the Provos supporting foregin causes. Focus on building bridges with your Ulster protestant neighbours as opposed to supporting Islamic terrorist shit.

  • R. Sieger

    N9S–you don’t have the courage to put down your true name.

    You are Irish Catholic Nazi scum.

  • R. Sieger

    N9S–you don’t have the courage to put down your true name.

    You are Irish Catholic Nazi scum.

  • R. Sieger

    N9S–you don’t have the courage to put down your true name.

    You are Irish Catholic Nazi scum.

  • Intelligence Insider

    The Irish Free State – the only country to officially send a message of endorsement to Germany on the death of Hitler, the only country in Western Europe to have a statue in support of someone who fought against the allies. Is it really any wonder that less than a quarter of Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland wish to become members of such a state?

  • Sol

    Intelligence Insider
    This should’nt be made into some political point scoring game, I know previous posters have taken pot shots at your community (I assume unionist, BTW I dont really care), But try and rise above it. Their posts have little bearing on the matter, and only make the waters cloudy.
    I dont really believe there is a country with totally blood free hands, ROI and UK included, the arguing over who has the most stains, is not just sad… its actually tragic.

    Sol

  • Johnny English

    So much racist hate from KKK/Aryan sites and N9S!!

    It’s always the same racist rant about uniting the white men to common cause. Hell, people are so annoying!

    I wouldn’t want to live near a lot of people no matter who it was! The less humans, the better!

    When the Romans invaded the island known as Briton, they should have killed everyone off! That way, there wouldn’t be the ranting racists like N9S!!

  • Seán Mac Cann

    Seem to remember some member of the British Royal Family dressing up as a Nazi, presumably his idea of “a laugh”. Perhaps the “spirit of Edward” lives on in this most “British” of families?

  • Claudia

    Fortunately, the Southern Irish arrived in the North East USA to begin
    with. The land grabbing;Indian killing lowland Scot Ulster folk would have
    had them as they had their slaves, otherwise(check the Ulster Scots website
    for their own admission as a source of pride).
    ————————————————————
    I’m afraid the following has to be said caused by my ire from the last 30 years of ‘Orange’ appeasement(PM Heath and Callaghan for votes; etc etc)

    From the KKK…it’s not a large Orange stream to cross to the UFF LDF;and
    erstwhile UDA and all the alphabet soup of right wing murder Ulster factions
    today(all on killing and maiming operations even today 11 September 2005

    Think of all that is wrong with the Southern US States, then and now; and
    then check the surnames of former slave owners and members of right-wing
    militia.There will be Mc Taggarts and Dodds and Donaldson’s…but few if any
    Southern Irish names and by extension, southern Irish or as the former would
    have it “Papists”.
    Hugely ironic that many silly film critics and ‘movie goers would attribute
    some ‘celticness’ to the banjo playing poor Appalachian folk
    The much heralded scenes of backwoodsmen from Boorman’s ‘Deliverance’ are
    redolent of the inbred lowland Scot Ulster planter. The very nature
    (admitted on the Ulster Scots website)was inlooking self-reliant and weary
    of outsiders who might covet what they themselves do.
    Significantly perhaps the Englishman John Boorman chooses to live in the
    peace and slendour of Southern Ireland.

  • smcgiff

    Well done everybody. This has been a most beautiful thread.

    It’s clear we’d rather score points against each other than face something really evil.