Adams has lost the run of himself

Alex Attwood must have least enviable job in Northern Irish politics, running against Gerry Adams in the next Westminster election. This current crisis has given him some good headline copy, but considering his robust performance on Hearts and Minds the other night he may privately be wishing he was standing against Gerry Kelly instead!

  • irishman

    ‘robust performance’ in who’s eyes, Mick? I thought Attwood was his usual self and his performance would not go down overly well with a nationalist audience- once again, Mick, I think you’re letting your unionist instincts appear as normative comment- how unusual for this site…..

  • aquifer

    Yes but GA gets first bite and Alex the comeback.

    The media may still prefer rogues to the righeous.

    The SDLP must set down some attack soundbites and repeat them till they echo back, Hume stylie. SF feeds on the illusion of change and in being in charge of events. The SDLP must repeatedly point to fundamentals that SF have failed to, and must fail to, change. The SDLP have good authority and will be believed in the end.

    There is no point in being clever and right if no-one can remember a word you said. Repetez si’l vous plait.

  • tebzz3

    i thought atwood got of lightly, kelly handled himself ok(ish), attwoods only dig was that they considered republican actions criminal aswell as certain actions by the state such as the murder of pat finucane, kelly could have challenged him on accepting a unreformed police force while demanding the ira disappear as a strange position to take if his party believe the state indulged in “criminality”

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    “kelly could have challenged him on accepting a unreformed police force”

    The police force isn’t unreformed, it has been completely transformed, much to the dismay of the unionists you can hear quite frequently complaining of “the destruction of the RUC”.

    You are entirely entitled to the view that the police force isn’t acceptable to you, but to state that it is unreformed is a straightforward lie. I wish republicans would stop lying about police reforms on Slugger.

  • Henry94

    Roger

    From a nationalist perspective very little has changed in policing. Unionists may have lost some of the symbols and window dressing but the substance is the same.

    We are entitled to state our position here and anywhere else. Just because you don’t agree wih something doesn’t make it a lie.

  • aquifer

    We now have a civic guard who are scared to infringe the rights of anyone by questioning them too scarily.

    This MOPEry is getting embarrassing.

    Or are there just frustrated anarchists in the RM ranks? How would you fare in the 32 county etc?

  • IJP

    From a nationalist perspective very little has changed in policing.

    Sorry, Henry, but either plenty has changed or it hasn’t – it’s a matter of fact, not opinion.

    ‘Facts’ don’t depend on whether your perspective is ‘nationalist’, ‘unionist’ or whatever.

    From a ‘nationalist perspective’ you are of course entitled to the ‘opinion’ that it is nothing like far enough. I’m entitled to my opinion that some changes have gone the wrong way and further changes are required. But I don’t mislead people by denying facts.

  • Henry94

    IJP

    Sorry, Henry, but either plenty has changed or it hasn’t – it’s a matter of fact, not opinion.

    You’re wrong. It is a matter of opinion.

    How anyone could consider a statement like “plenty has changed” to a matter of fact when plenty is such a subjective word is beyond me.

    It is a fact that the police have new hats but it is also a fact that the new hats are on the same old heads. It is a fact that there is a new name but it’s also a fact that Windscale is now called Selafield and that Long Kesh was renamed the Maze.

    Plus ca change….

  • ShayPaul

    IJP

    It was a major error by the unionist parties not to embrace Patten to the full, thus removing the SF argument against supporting the police ( I don’t care about the whataboutery arguments as to which extent Patten has been applied or not, that is a sideshow).

    Implement Patten -> Everyone Supports Police -> Cops go after Hoods -> Society gets better.

    This error has been equalled by the IRA not dumping arms and disbanding, thus removing the DUPe and UP argument against supporting power sharing.

    Implement GFA -> Everyone supports the state -> Politicians treat the real issues -> Society gets better.

    Of course if you look closely only one party supports neither Patten or the GFA – Dr NO and the DUPes. In the end this is where the party stops.

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    The problem with Alex Attwood is that even he doesn’t believe he will be elected in West Belfast. Last time out he managed to squander seven or eight thousand votes and this time he’ll be lucky to get a council seat.
    He doesn’t bother canvassing for votes in vast swathes of the constituency and even in areas where he feels comfortable he’ll avoid homes of those he thinks may pose him a few questions. Easy to see why he prefers being on tv – no difficult questions to answer from tv journalists!
    You don’t get elected without doing the work on the ground – pontificating on the air doesn’t work. Drafting in politicians from the south, whose credibility is zero and below won’t work either.

  • True Republican

    The SDLP need to realise that, in the coming Westminister elections, they are in a life and death struggle with Sinn Fein. They also need to realise that, despite all the Provo propaganda, nationalist voters have a good opinion of them. But those voters may consider Sinn Fein more effective in fighting their corner versus the DUP than the SDLP.

    Sinn Fein need to realise that the people who damage their mandate the most are their friends in the Provisional IRA. Most people who voted SF didn’t vote for robberies, knee-cappings or for an armed gang to steal the CCTV video after the cowardly gang murder of Bert McCartney.

    So the SDLP need to do two things to fight back in the coming elections:

    (i) they need to expose how the Provisionals have repeatedly betrayed the Good Friday Agreement, both in spirit and in act; and,

    (ii) they need to pose the choice which nationalists face in the starkest of choices.

    Here are some slogans which the SDLP could consider using …

    YOUR CHOICE – Vote to put the IRA out of business or vote to put the SDLP out of business.

    YOUR CHOICE – IRA running your district or your representatives running your district.

    YOUR CHOICE – Vote to work the Good Friday Agreement or vote to block the Good Friday Agreement.

    Only by cutting to the core of their difference with the Provisionals (destructive nationalists)
    can the SDLP (constructive nationalists) hope to secure a surprise victory.

  • Alan2

    “It is a fact that the police have new hats but it is also a fact that the new hats are on the same old heads.”

    What`s your point Henry? Who`s heads are you going to put the caps? It certainly won`t be Republican heads because you refuse to join. If you want a representative make up then you need to be applying to join in the first place.

  • IJP

    Henry

    Sorry, that won’t wash.

    Change of recruitment procedures, training, regulation, name and symbols among many others indisputably constitutes ‘plenty of change’. ‘Republicans’ are deliberately lying when they say nothing/little has changed.

    Shaypaul

    Your logic is flawless of course, but to be fair, it wasn’t quite as easy as that. Although many outrageous bigots no doubt served in the RUC, many outstandingly brave men and women without a bigoted bone in their bodies also served, and paid the ultimate price for so doing. For their families, changes to the organization for which they gave their lives were incredibly painful, even dare I say humiliating. Even the most charismatic and visonary Unionist leader (and let’s face it, the term ‘Unionist leader’ is a contradiction in terms, never mind supported by ‘charismatic’ and ‘visionary’) would have had trouble selling Patten to those victims’ families and friends.

    The Unionists’ mistake, of course, was not to support reform at all!

    Also, as Alex Attwood rightly pointed out, the truth is that SF does not even support the concept of an independent democratically accountable police service, regardless of Patten.

  • Henry94

    IJP

    The problem with the police was that it did not have the confidence of the nationalist community. It still doesn’t. So no change there. People who supported the RUC in the first place and not the best people to judge if there has been plenty of change.

  • aquifer

    True Republican

    Your Choice. Yes you are getting warm.
    The SDLP have credibility, so they can repeatedly point out some facts and expect them to damage SF.
    They are not required to use parliamentary language either, as extra-parliamentary guns made abuse or repetitive haranging fair enough.

    – You lost the battle for hearts and minds long ago. Now you want to retain the option of blowing people’s brains out to cover up your failure.
    – The IRA cannot protect the nationalist community or dispense justice, with thousands dead they have proven that.
    – Decommissioning was in the GFA endorsed on an all-ireland basis. Where are the guns?
    – The IRA’s failure to decommission has strengthened sectarian Unionism and is a liability in the post 9/11 world. Do you need the DUP to confirm your own predjudices?
    – Joyriding and crime in west belfast are a product of the breakdown in law and order encouraged by SFIRA who encouraged young people to miss school, riot, and hijack vehicles.
    – The IRA campaign has made protestant acceptance of a United Ireland less likely
    – You cannot march up to a million protestant families into a United Ireland at gunpoint.
    – Economic growth and peace will unite ireland quicker than a gang of armed smugglers who need the border to keep their rackets going.

    etc

  • tebzz3

    aquifer, asst chief super cargo (i believe his title is or was) in an interview in the andy town paper a few years ago admitted that the ruc allowed joyriders the run of the area to encourage people to accept the police, locals were outraged that joyriders arrested by the police were often joyriding again the same night,

  • Davros

    Have you a link to that tebzz3 ? It’s not much of a source, but It’ll do for a start.

  • AndrewD

    irishman

    “I thought Attwood was his usual self and his performance would not go down overly well with a nationalist audience”

    How? He made some very good points and asked some very good questions that need answers.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Henry94, the changes to the police are documented in the Patten report which I’d say has been about 97% implemented. The Patten report is a few hundred pages and describes a massive set of changes. The uniform and the name change were but two of those changes. That’s why to describe it as “window dressing” is a lie. Through recent discussions on other threads the best I can get out of republicans arguing this point is that Special Branch needs to disband which implies to me that republicans believe the force has been reformed satisfactorily apart from that aspect.

    “It was a major error by the unionist parties not to embrace Patten to the full,”

    Who gives a flying damn what the unionist parties think ? The Patten report was implemented in full with one or two tweaks to the powers of the Police Board, vis. that the secretary of state has the power to overrule it.

    “Implement Patten -> Everyone Supports Police -> Cops go after Hoods -> Society gets better.”

    But they did fully implement Patten. However this isn’t sufficient for republicans, including several posting here who are demanding among other things the disbandment of Special Branch, which despite the ongoing activities of loyalists and dissident republicans would leave NI the only part of either the UK or Ireland with no anti-terrorist police force.

    Republicans won’t support the police because it means they would lose their grip on their communities, who they would rather brutalize with stabbings and punishment attacks instead.

    “The problem with the police was that it did not have the confidence of the nationalist community. It still doesn’t.”

    This might have a lot to do with the fact that nationalists who go to the police tend to get ostracized by the IRA, but leaving that aside how can we fix this ? Let’s talk about it and get this sorted out. But the ideas need to be constructive. The disbandment of Special Branch is not on the table.

  • cg

    AndrewD

    The nationalist electorate is smart and knows full well the electioneering that the sdlp is involved in.

    The sdlp have aligned themselves to Orde and the psni, this will be their downfall.

    As for Atwood, everyone I have spoken to regarded Kelly as the person who came out on top.

  • cg

    “The disbandment of Special Branch is not on the table”

    Then Nationalist/Republican support for policing will never be on the table.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    By the way Henry94, do you remember the Donegal Celtic fiasco about ten years ago when DC were going to play a match against the RUC football team of the time in West Belfast ? Sinn Fein got wind of it, various people were “visited” and as a result the match was cancelled.

    I wonder how many nationalists in West Belfast truly do mistrust the police, and how many nationalists only mistrust them because the provos intimidated them into saying so.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    “Then Nationalist/Republican support for policing will never be on the table.”

    So why haven’t Sinn Fein made the disbandment of Special Branch a policy matter ? Why did Sinn Fein say the full implementation of the Patten report would allow them to accept the police ?

    “As for Atwood, everyone I have spoken to regarded Kelly as the person who came out on top.”

    A chuckie asks a bunch of other chuckies who agree that the chuckie came out on top. A useful thing to know that.

  • IJP

    Then Nationalist/Republican support for policing will never be on the table.

    a) Who entitled you to speak for every Nationalist and Republican?

    b) Why has Catholic recruitment increased dramatically – or are all these Catholics not Nationalists or Republicans?

    c) Why have two Assembly parties with significant ‘Nationalist’ support both said that their support for the police is on the table without disbandment of special branch.

    Stop passing off your own opinions as those of ‘Nationalist/Republicans’. No one gave you the right to speak for them.

    Thank you, however, for backing up my point that SF will never support an independent, democratically accountable police service.

  • cg

    “So why haven’t Sinn Fein made the disbandment of Special Branch a policy matter ?”

    Sinn Féin has said time and time again that the issue of special branch needs to be fully addressed before the issue of policing can be resolved.

    “A chuckie asks a bunch of other chuckies who agree that the chuckie came out on top. A useful thing to know that”

    LOL

    It may shock you but I speak to people of all persuasions, from stoop to unionist. Some of the people that said Kelly spoke well were unionists and said it was something that surprised them. Attwood’s persona doesn’t endear him to people due to his demeanor.

    An sdlp acquaintance told me that every time Attwood speaks on TV the sdlp lose 500 votes.

  • cg

    IJP

    Hold on a minute

    “Who entitled you to speak for every Nationalist and Republican?”

    Absolutely nobody, I am speaking as a Republican whose party represents the majority of the Nationalist/Republican community.

    “Why has Catholic recruitment increased dramatically – or are all these Catholics not Nationalists or Republicans?”

    You would have to ask them are they nationalists or republicans but it is a presumption to presume every Nationalist is a Catholic the same way it is presumptuous to presume every protestant is unionist.

    “Why have two Assembly parties with significant ‘Nationalist’ support both said that their support for the police is on the table without disbandment of special branch.”

    Please show me where Sinn Fein, as the largest Nationalist party in the 6 counties, has said they will accept policing with Special branch operating in the same way as they have always done?

    “Stop passing off your own opinions as those of ‘Nationalist/Republicans’. No one gave you the right to speak for them.”

    I never passed myself off as anything other than an individual.

    “Thank you, however, for backing up my point that SF will never support an independent, democratically accountable police service.”

    Where did I say that?

    You would be better advised to read my real posts rather than the imaginary ones inside your head.

  • tebzz3

    davros, regarding cargos interview the andytown news is subs nowadays, it is on there about 4yrs old, dunno if it’ll stretch to a photo tho

  • Henry94

    Roger

    I wonder how many nationalists in West Belfast truly do mistrust the police, and how many nationalists only mistrust them because the provos intimidated them into saying so.

    Count the votes for Attwood of the police board and it will give you a fair idea.

    Unless you think people are lying when they vote too.

  • Davros

    Tebzz3, on something like this I would give the ATN the same credibility as I gave the Protestant Telegraph.

  • aquifer

    tebzz3

    policing is most effective when there is consent and an invitation to intervene. Its also safer for all concerned.

    The danger for the RM in making clear that consent will be withheld despite major structural reform, is that it shows negotiation and conciliation with the RM to be pointless.

    Nothing is ever finally agreed, nothing really conceded.

    Cut the RM out of a deal, they’ll sound just the same?

  • Davros

    OK – cg and IJP – interesting discussion. Are you two perhaps talking to some degree at cross-purposes ?

    cg – you are saying that this present Special Branch has to go, but are you saying that it cannot be replaced with any form of anti-terrorist branch with a similar remit but under better control and using different officers ?

  • cg

    Davros

    I am saying the current setup is unacceptable

    I am saying that the police need to be held accountable to the local people by local politicians. Special Branch has always and will always, in its present format, be run by the spooks in British military intelligence {bit of an oxymoron ;)}

    As such it is unacceptable and no new start to policing can be achieved under the current format.

  • aquifer

    cg

    Will that apply to Garda Special Branch too then?

    I thought the role of a Special Branch was to place agents in terrorist conspiracies and to stop democracy being subverted.

    Is this unacceptable to you?

  • cg

    “cg

    Will that apply to Garda Special Branch too then?”

    Yes

    “I thought the role of a Special Branch was to place agents in terrorist conspiracies and to stop democracy being subverted”

    The RUC special branch has no interest in democracy.

    Their only objective is to serve their own political agenda and that is unacceptable to me.

  • Davros

    I am saying that the police need to be held accountable to the local people by local politicians

    Local as in how local ? County council level ?
    Isn’t putting police under control of local politicans taking us back to the days of what were the local militia of the unionist élite, only this time it will be a unionist police force in unionist areas and a nationalist police force in nationalist areas ?

  • IJP

    SF has clearly called for the removal of special branch.

    If individuals wish to argue that Special Branch needs to be reformed, they’ll get no argument from me. If Special Branch was operating properly there would have been no Northern Bank robbery. If Special Branch was operating properly we would not be faced with the apparent situation that the IMC had information not available to the PSNI.

    But that’s not SF’s policy.

    I am saying that the police need to be held accountable to the local people by local politicians

    I have to hand it to you, that’s a very clever way of dressing up support for maintenance of local militia. In return for the IRA being allowed to continue terrorizing Ballymurphy and Dungiven, Alliance can set up its own paramilitary wing to terrorize Bangor West!

    Unfortunately for this cunning plan, the Agreement makes it clear NI is to have its own democratic institutions and its own police service. The latter must be accountable to the former. That means SF sharing responsibility for an independent police service for the whole of NI with the rest of us, not having its own militia to maintain control by whatever means of its ‘heartlands’.

    Balkanization didn’t work in the Balkans, and it won’t work here.

  • Davros

    One of the most sensible demands in NICRA days was that security forces shouldn’t be controlled by local politicians and shouldn’t serve locally. SF are arguing for putting the clock back in this respect.

  • cg

    Gentlemen

    You really are getting your knickers in a twist.

    I said local as in 6 county politicians and not British spooks. That of course means unionist and nationalist working together.

    IJP, I have already discussed with you your tendency to argue with me over something you wish I had posted rather than something I actually have posted.

    Stop trying to second guess me because you will always lose 😉

    Davros I thought you knew better 😉

    BTW IJP

    “But that’s not SF’s policy”

    Humor me, what is Sinn Féin’s policy?

  • Davros

    I was hoping for a “Mitchel moment” from you cg 😉

  • cg

    LOL, Keep hoping 😉

  • johnhidd

    “The Unionists’ mistake, of course, was not to support reform at all!”

    (Posted by: IJP at February 13, 2005 02:18 PM)

    Turn to page 483 of Dean Godson’s book on Trimble “Himself Alone” and you will find out who suggested the 50/50 recruitment policy.

    (Thanks to Alex for the loan of this interesting but lengthy tome).

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    Roger, where are you?

    You don’t seem to be interested in defending your position against the charge that the PSNI is as anti irish language as the RUC was and, to boot, is defying the express provisions of the GFA and the European Charter for Minority Languages in the process;

    Your answer displays the wilful ignorance we have to deal with here in the north of Ireland in relation to matters cultural.

    In the Agreement the British Government commits itself to take resolute action to promote the language, to facilitate and encourage the use of the Irish language in speech and in writing in public and private life, seek to remove restrictions which would discourage or work against the promotion or development of the language and, possibly most importantly in the context of this discussion…
    make provision for liaising with the Irish language community.
    This i suggest involves speaking with us in our own language – not in 34 languages which we do not speak.
    As for Europe, it’s not just out there. We are European. And so is the British government who ratified Part 3 of the European Charter for Regional and Minority Languages in respect of Irish, a ratification if you cared to research it entails public authorities, such as the police, recognising effectively the special postion of Irish as a native language.

    if you do not see how the provisions of the GFA in this regard then you are being wilfully blind or just plain bigoted.

  • James

    “Alliance can set up its own paramilitary wing to terrorize Bangor West!”

    No doubt in an echo of the Somali “tacticals”

    Recoilless rifles on your yachts and SAWs hard mounted on your Bentley GTs. Shame to butcher that hardtop with a sun roof, though.

    Just the same, not a bad idea altogether if tastefully done.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Chromaill, the PSNI isn’t anti-Irish. It merely left that language off a sign. If this makes it anti-Irish then a huge number of state organizations throughout this island are anti-Irish. I don’t think so somehow. There is nothing in the GFA or any European Charter that requires the PSNI or any other organization you would care to name display Irish language signs anywhere, despite your fantasies that there is. You seem to know a lot more about Irish than you do English, particularly vis. the terms “facilitate” and “encourage” which do not bestow any compulsory requirement upon anyone.

    Your objective is to use culture and language as a political football in your sad wee sectarian game. You should think about how much you really care about Irish rather than dragging it through the mud in the way that you are. I don’t see how I’m bigoted, I was taught Irish in school like a lot of other people brought up in the same background I was.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    I can think of lots of authorities which don’t have Irish signs.

    The buses don’t have Irish names, Irish timetables or timetables available in Irish.

    The Royal Mail, used happily by nationalists all across NI without any known complaint that I’m aware of, doesn’t have Irish language signs anywhere, doesn’t have Irish stamps, doesn’t have Irish signs in it’s branches or in it’s name.

    The dole office doesn’t have Irish signs, or leaflets inside. The tax offices don’t have any Irish signs.

    So I’m wondering why you’re singling out the police and accusing them of being anti-Irish, when there is basically no Irish participation by any government or state-owned bodies visible in Belfast anywhere that I can see. Could it just be a case of your agenda overtaking your passion for the language itself ?

  • IJP

    Well said Roger.

    Basically if I said that I, as a German speaker, have a right to demand German appear on the signs of all public institutions on this island, or else I reserve the right to maintain my own private militia, people would rightly view that as farcical.

    Yet substitute ‘German’ with ‘Irish’ and you appear to have the SF position!

    A disgusting abuse of a language with such a great heritage.

  • Davros

    It’s all to do with maintaining the foundation myth of victimhood and oppression. If people like OC keep on about it, the myth will survive and nourish the next generation of bigots. Like the mythologising seen and swatted over the disgraceful events of 1969.

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    It isn’t compulsory – but it’s expected of organisations that want to be accepted by the community that they reflect to some degree that community. So that’s why the Irish language shouldn’t be let off any poster, that’s why there should be some Irish on the PSNI website as well as a reasonable number of officers with a reasonable level of conversational Irish – not the bad attitude they have at present.

    You seem to have an a la carte attitude to the Agreement – take what suits you, decommissioning etc – but forget the things others care about. You’ve some brass neck to call me sectarian when your posts clearly display your anti Irish bigotry.

  • Davros

    So that’s why the Irish language shouldn’t be let off any poster

    Are you going to picket Wellworths for selling Britney Spears Posters which don’t have a word of Irish on them ? 🙂

    Am I anti-Irish ? That would depend on the definition you use when you call yourself Irish OC.
    I’m certainly against the “Irishness” you espouse, the Irishness of Moran.

  • Ringo

    OC
    It isn’t compulsory – but it’s expected of organisations that want to be accepted by the community that they reflect to some degree that community. So that’s why the Irish language shouldn’t be let off any poster,

    eh? how far would you have to drive from your community to get to a place where native gaeilgoirí actually exist? Don’t even try and begin to equate the cultural warrior types wandering around, uttering tokenisms in an environment more contrived than the set of Ros na Rún with an Irish language community.

    You want the PSNI to reflect your community (and sorry OC, Irish DOESN’T reflect your community), but what is the point? The PSNI gaelic football team has 30 lads training yet cannot get a game against ANY club side in the north. (There are rumours that they played one club who asked that it not be mentioned, but fair play to what ever club it was). They are travelling up and down to the Republic to play Garda divisional teams. They cannot get anyone who’s willing to coach them. That is a sad endictment of your community and in particular of the Ulster GAA. The GAA as a whole voted to remove rule 21 which allowed the creation of this club in the first place, despite the opposition from Ulster counties, but that isn’t good enough for your community.

    Now it isn’t compulsory for clubs to play them but when it comes to bad attitude I think your community beats them hands down.

    Needless to say I don’t really expect you or any other republican to address any of this in a direct way, given the 4 times tables type of responses we’ve all been treated to ad nauseum.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Cromhaill, how can I be anti-Irish ? I *am* Irish.

    “it’s expected of organisations that want to be accepted by the community that they reflect to some degree that community.”

    The public services I listed above are all accepted by the community – yet they don’t have any signs or posters in Irish. Why is that ?

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    The above public services you mention should also endeavor to reach out to the Irish language community. Why is it ok , by your light, o exclude Irish when 34 other languages are being included?
    Some shops – notably the likes of Safeways and Curleys in west Belfast – have a healthy attitude towards the Irish language and display it prominently. They’re under no obligation to do so – they just consider it good relations with the community.
    The PSNI, however, doesn’t care. They do like to create the optical illusion of welcoming members of the nationalist community with their figleaf of a GAA team – but their anti Irish language and Irish culture bigotry is exposed by this issue of the poster which I raised.

    You go throughout the North, Ringo, and you will find fledgling Irish language communities starting up a gaelscoil or nursery. They threaten no one. They bring a richness of culture to the place, something which was denied it by the anti Irish ethos of the unionist regime since the foundation of tthe north.

    The type of Irishness I espouse, Davros, is far more inclusive of other cultures than your narrow sectarian and bigoted version of Britishness.

    Perhaps some of you want some aspects of the GFA – decommissioning and an end to paramilitarism – implemented. So do I. But I want it all – the culture, equality , justice and human rights.

    If you’ve any sense you will see that as something to be welcomed than going on with your increasingly shrill anti Irish rhetoric.

  • Ringo

    You go throughout the North, Ringo, and you will find fledgling Irish language communities starting up a gaelscoil or nursery. They threaten no one. They bring a richness of culture to the place, something which was denied it by the anti Irish ethos of the unionist regime since the foundation of the north.

    I’m all in favour of schools nurseries etc., what I take exception to is your insistence that the PSNI have acted in bad faith by not embracing Irish to the extent that you’d like. You are using the language as a political instrument to back up your argument that the police haven’t done enough for you and your community.

    As I pointed out in a similar case, where the PSNI have embraced your culture they have been ignored completely. Our sports are being used again for political purposes, despite the All Ireland institution that is the GAA voting otherwise.

    You don’t own the language and you don’t own the games, but it appears to me that ye think that ye do.

    Any comments on the PSNI football team issue?