Splat!

A rapid and unusually blunt response, No IRA conspiracy theory, from Paul Murphy to a piece by Niall Stanage in yesterday’s Guardian in which the correspondent for the Sunday Business Post wrote that “The British and Irish governments have reason to undermine Sinn Féin”

No IRA conspiracy theory

Saturday February 5, 2005
The Guardian

As someone who has devoted several years to facilitating a political settlement in Northern Ireland, I find Niall Stanage’s argument (Who gains from this breakdown? February 4) that the British and Irish governments are engaged in some conspiracy to blame the IRA, and thereby Sinn Féin, for the Northern Bank robbery bizarre.
Are Tony Blair and Bertie Ahern, who have devoted more time and energy to this process than any of their predecessors, really part of this conspiracy? Is it credible that Hugh Orde, the chief constable of the PSNI and the man who investigated the allegations of state collusion in the murder of Pat Finucane, is engaged in a plot to derail the peace process? Or that Garda Commissioner Conroy would lend his integrity to a charade?
In support of his conspiracy theory, Stanage asserts that almost all the charges relating to the alleged IRA “spy ring” in 2002 have been “quietly dropped”. He is wrong. Three men face very serious charges.
I look forward to the time the Northern Bank case can be aired in court, but in the meantime neither we, nor the Irish and US governments, can simply pretend that we have not seen convincing evidence of Provisional IRA responsibility for the bank robbery. The ball is in Sinn Féin’s court. The IRA put it there and until the issue of IRA activity and criminality is addressed we are unlikely to make real progress.
Paul Murphy MP
Secretary of state for Northern Ireland

  • James

    “Three men face very serious charges.”

    What is the status of the case? When does it go to trial?

  • New Yorker

    Congratulations to Paul Murphy for reacting swiftly to this article in the Guardian. Where are the Guardian’s editors, do they not give an intelligence test to articles to appear in their paper? I send an email to Stanage telling him that he quite simply has not realized what SF/IRA has evolved into. If he did realize, it would not be such a puzzle to him. Why would people rob a bank? What about to steal money. That’s what criminals do. The Guardian has tarnished its reputation by allowing such an article to appear in their pages.

  • Alan

    Yes congratulation on such a swift response to Stanage’s fifth column.

    Stanage’s piece reads like a press release and ends with a hotmail address for serious consideration of replies.

  • Henry94

    Murphy’s letter is convincing evidence that Strange may be on to something. Rather than produce any evidence Murphy stands on his dignity

    As someone who has devoted several years to facilitating a political settlement in Northern Ireland

    It’s not as if I like being a minister or anything.

    Then Blair and Ahern’s dignity. Then Hugh Orde’s (remember that time he did his job)

    His case in a sentence is, trust us we’re the police and the government.

    That he would have the cheek to claim the Stormontgate case still had legitimacy proves that he is beyond shame. The reality is that the cases have been dropped except for minor face-saving accusations that will fall apart if they ever see the inside of a courtroom.

    In support of his conspiracy theory, Stanage asserts that almost all the charges relating to the alleged IRA “spy ring” in 2002 have been “quietly dropped”. He is wrong.

    Wheree it comes to a matter of fact Strange is correct and Murphy is telling porkies.

    I look forward to the time the Northern Bank case can be aired in court

    He’s certain that will never happen but he pretends it will.

    In the Stormontgate and Castlereagh cases every scrap of evidence (and they were scraps) the police had was leaked.

    Why have we had no leaks in this case. Because there is nothing to leak? Because there is no evidence?

  • Davros

    I got the impression Murphy wasn’t speaking to the monkey but the organ grinder and was glad to get the opportunity to give Adams a Glasgow Kiss without it being regarded as undiplomatic 😉 i.e. he did a Mcdowell but can continue to do business as usual with “Jeepers”… who after all doesn’t get in huffs !

  • aquifer

    Henry 94

    So there are two groups of people standing on their dignity and saying trust us we are the forces of law and order and the government.

    One group must be dangerous and deluded imposters

  • aquifer

    Hint:

    On the eve of John Major’s election victory the Guardian lauded Neil Kinnock’s forthcoming premiership.

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    ‘As someone who has devoted several years to facilitating a political settlement in Northern Ireland’

    Murphy’s affiliation to Norn Iron will last as long as it takes for him to get promoted, he has no other affinity with the place.

    ‘Are Tony Blair and Bertie Ahern, who have devoted more time and energy to this process than any of their predecessors, really part of this conspiracy?’

    After the talks broke down pre Xmas did they realise that things wer now finished until after Westminster & Dail elections therfore it was open season? I think so.

    ‘Is it credible that Hugh Orde, the chief constable of the PSNI and the man who investigated the allegations of state collusion in the murder of Pat Finucane, is engaged in a plot to derail the peace process?’

    Well yes, he is an Englishman here until he can prove himself for the Met job. Also, it is his force that is supplying the intelligence not him.

    ‘Or that Garda Commissioner Conroy would lend his integrity to a charade?’

    Two words, Morris Tribunal. Senior Gardai were running about Donegal using people who weren’t informers and claiming they were and planting their own explosives to gain kudos. Is it people like this who are supplying Conroy with his intelligence?

    ‘He is wrong.@

    No he is not and Murphy is lying. Originally 5 people were charged. 2 people have had all charges dropped while the other 3 have had the more serious charges originally file against them dropped. while still charged the 3 do face less serious charges than they originally did.

    ‘but in the meantime neither we, nor the Irish and US governments, can simply pretend that we have not seen convincing evidence of Provisional IRA responsibility for the bank robbery.’

    Meaningless words from the representative of a government whose predecessors conspired to murder its own citizens. They lied then and of course in the battle for public opinion they are speaking only to their own audience, who need little convincing. The majority of nationalists view him as a liar and believe he has no evidence. This is based on the fact that 8 weeks down the line there have been NO ARRESTS, NO VAN, NO MONEY RECOVERED. Yips that the evidence for you, sweet F.A.

    ‘The ball is in Sinn Féin’s court. The IRA put it there and until the issue of IRA activity and criminality is addressed we are unlikely to make real progress.’

    All the while loyalists can turn N Belfast into another battlefield. Despite a so called peace process we get the same jaundiced, sectarianism that has blighted this place. It is the IRAs’ fault, nothing else matters. No wonder SF can’t wait for the elections.

  • aquifer

    For the IRA naked sectarianism would have been a military liability, showing the catholic community that the IRA could not defend them, and evoking a crackdown that would have had international support, so no brownie points to them for that.

    However the RM failure to accept Unionism as a legitimate political view, rather than a temporary delusion brought about by insufficient armed gaelic self determination, is sectarian. It is also ridiculous when union with the anglo-american political project has an anti-fascist history and a clear political dimension with global reach, however that latest project should be viewed. The IRA prediliction for dealing with protestant clergymen rather than unionist politicians is also patronising and sectarian. ‘All they need in this process is their own particular type of spiritual comfort’

    Protestantism may bring particular sensibilities to politics though. Some may have forgotten that religious freedom is the product of many churches against the triumph of one, but not necessarily having intermediaries between men and god, the taking of individual human life is seen as next to godlessness.

    Their reliance on the printed gospel (their religion was in part the product of a print overrun), and democratic traditions, mean that the word ‘decommissioning’ in the GFA, in along with all the other words, still means something, for them at least.

    If SF are really worried about North Belfast, Take the social development portfolio next time.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    All the while loyalists can turn N Belfast into another battlefield.

    But there’s no evidence and nobody has been arrested. So it can’t possibly be true, right ?

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    ‘But there’s no evidence and nobody has been arrested. So it can’t possibly be true, right ?’

    Just another example of how the POLICE FORCE deal with their erstwhile allies.

  • Brian Boru

    Aquifer
    IMO you’re absolutely right on your religious points. In the 19th Century Wesley took up the challenge to further bring the Gospel “into the living room” as it were, where people could have access to God’s Word for themselves.
    And in the 20th Century we have the rise of Evangelism, which puts to sleep the man-made Catholic teachings as being misguided and unscriptural.
    I don’t think it’s helpful for Paisly though to Demonize the Catholics, because even though Catholicism is deluded , he should still preach love and tolerance and see catholicism as a “blind brother” that needs a guiding hand.
    A stick to help them get accross the road.
    Not a stick to beat them with !!

    Re : The Politics
    The IRA ( and their apologists here ) refuse point-blank to look in the mirror,
    with their twisted moral logic they refuse to take any responsibility for their actions.
    If I were a Psychiatrist and the IRA one person I would section them under the Mental Health Act
    and begin them on a course of treatment.

    Its a terrible reality that the family of
    Robert McCartney can’t find justice because of the fear that their community live in, and are held in by the criminal leaders.

    I read this last night:

    This is sickening:

    A new form of shooting, the “Padro Pio” – named after a monk who many Catholics believed had the stigmata of the crucified Christ – has emerged in Belfast, in which young men are made to put their hands together in prayer and are then shot through the wrists. The IRA has been accused of “blooding” recruits by making them carry out the shootings.

    I am starting to see parallels between the IRA and the insugents in Iraq, in terms of methodology and madness. That is profoundly depressing.

    On a personal note, because I hope to take up some points with bloggers today ( not during the Rugby of course ) I am one who being Irish would like to see a United Ireland, but I have to say I am more than impressed by the level-headeness of most ot the unionist posters here, and more than unimpressed by nationalist posters.

    So please please Nationalists set your house in order, the world community rejects totally your continuing crime and punishment beatings.
    You must face this head on.
    Not ducking and diving and playing table tennis with the situation.
    Stop and look in the Mirror
    and as you begin to do so the smoke will clear, make some solid commitments and then you’ll see that your concerns can be addressed.
    There is a win-win here.
    We’ll persuade the Unionits to vote for a United Ireland 😉 but right now you are making yourself appear unfit for your United Eire ideals.
    sorry about the length.

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    Brian Boru,

    after one of your posts recently you rather drudely put it that it was time for a w***. In times gone by you could have found yourself sectioned for such public displays of self gratification.

    The ‘Padre Pio’ was of course christened by Michael Mc Dowell, however, originally he labelled it a ‘Matt Talbot’. Unfortunately Matt never displayed the stigmata and Mc Dowell (once again) had to change tact. What a clown.

  • Davros

    It’s strange that people are remarking upon the symbolic nature of the latest IRA punishment. This religious aspect merely continues the long tradition
    , certainly since 1916, of Republicans misappropriating Catholic themology.

  • Jacko

    Some clown!
    McDowell has the green mafia on the run hence the personal attacks.

    Of course, he must be in the pay of Special Branch, MI5, MI6, British securocrats, doing it for elctoral purposes, anti-peace process etc etc etc …yawn, yawn, yawn.

  • Davros

    Michael McDowell did more in furthering the cause of a United Ireland in the past couple of weeks than
    SF and the IRA have done in the past 30 odd years of killings and maimings.

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    ‘It’s strange that people are remarking upon the symbolic nature of the latest IRA punishment. This religious aspect merely continues the long tradition
    , certainly since 1916, of Republicans misappropriating Catholic themology. ‘

    What people?

    ‘Some clown!
    McDowell has the green mafia on the run hence the personal attacks.’

    He got Kingsmills and Teebane mixed up. He got Matt Talbot confused with Padre Pio. His party currently get one eighth the vote of SF. your right he is not a clown, he is a dick.

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    ‘Michael McDowell did more in furthering the cause of a United Ireland in the past couple of weeks than
    SF and the IRA have done in the past 30 odd years of killings and maimings.’

    No evidence of this whatsoever, it is your opinion that cannot be substantiated, don’t be silly and stop posting crap.

    you are pushing your luck, Ball not man please A.U.

  • Davros

    What people?
    The press for starters 🙂

    As for my comments about McDowell, there has been a welcoming of his comments among my friends and acquaintances in the unionist community. As more people like him speak out against your heros more and more people from the unionist community fell less hostility to the Republic.

  • cg

    Davros

    How has McDowell furthered a United Ireland?

    As for this halo that seems to hang around Orde, Let’s ask this?

    When he was with Stevens he prepared 20 cases of collusion. The people involved in those 20 cases were RUC/PSNI officers and British army.

    Since becoming Chief constable what has happened to those 20 cases or are those people now his officers?

    Untarnished morals indeed

  • Brian Boru

    Da McGlincheys Code
    As regards my silly comment yesterday
    I reply:
    As Churchill said to Lady Asquith.
    “I maybe drunk now, but in the morning I’ll be sober. You’ll still be ugly.”

    You’ve been here 5 mins and already your tied up in knots, and becoming increasingly hostile as the experienced posters gently but firmly untangle your mind from the web of deceit you’re stuck in with your paranoid conspiracy theories.
    Get a grip man
    you’ve had you’re cheap shot at me
    that one you get for free

  • Davros

    Morning cg 🙂

    How has he furthered a United Ireland ? By undoing some of the damage done by previous politicians.

  • cg

    Morning Davros, or good afternoon 🙂

    “How has he furthered a United Ireland ? By undoing some of the damage done by previous politicians”

    LOL, that isn’t an answer Davros 😉

    What damage done by which politicians?

  • GavBelfast

    If I may throw something in …. who do thinking nationalists think might make Unionists, or Protestants anyway, more open-minded to the idea of being part of some sort of all-Ireland set-up – people like Mary Harney and Michael McDowell, or the likes of Martin Ferris and Arthur Morgan?

    It cannot be seriously argued that the London Government has any specific interest here any more, it would be gone tomorrow if all agreed it should, so isn’t the Republican Movement, and all that comes with it, increasingly and obviously the only significant barrier to an enuring settlement? It’s hard to see how their stated objective of a United Ireland could ever occur while they remain in existence.

    Unless that isn’t their objective any more after all.

  • Brian Boru

    cg
    He has furthered a United Ireland by bringing up the vexed question of criminality.
    Which if faced and resolved will send us on our way to Government in the North by the people of the North. Then the persuading can begin in a climate free from fear.
    That’s how

  • Brian Boru

    That’s exactly right BelfastGav
    The Republican movement are now part of the problem and not the solution
    and its going to take some guts and moral courage
    for them to face this.
    Judging by the posts here and comments by SF spokepeople they are a long way from home.
    Alas for Ireland

  • Davros

    What damage done by which politicians?

    LOL – Paddy yesterday was practising his cross-examination skills on WF and today I get put through the mill by your good self!

    We can start with the perceived events around Blaney/Haughey and James Kelly.

    I don’t find the same amount or intensity of hostility on my side of TDF towards our lost cousins in the 26 ;)That is surely a good thing ?

  • cg

    “cg
    He has furthered a United Ireland by bringing up the vexed question of criminality”

    To which he offered no proof. I don’t want to see as United Ireland debate based on unfounded allegations. So someone like McDowell, who is hardly representative of the people of Ireland, feeds into Unionist paranoia

    It’s like shooting fish in a barrel

    “Then the persuading can begin in a climate free from fear.”

    Brian, will the fear ever be gone?

    You can decommission every weapon the IRA has but that doesn’t stop some fella going out to a hardware store and constructing a fertilizer bomb

    What we need to do is decommission mindsets

    This can not happen while people try to criminalize republicans, it won’t be tolerated.

  • cg

    “That is surely a good thing ?”

    It is a good thing if unionists feel closer to the 26 counties than before but they shouldn’t think every person in the 26 counties is a McDowell or a Harney (Thanks be to ****) 😉

  • GavBelfast

    “What we need to do is decommission mindsets.”

    Is that advice or self-awareness?

    Thinking about it, that’s just about the only cliche Gerry didn’t utter in his ‘The Last Word’ classic.

  • cg

    It’s a realisation Gav that the weapons issue isn’t the problem but peoples mindsets.

  • lib2016

    Unionists will not welcome a united Ireland when it comes – presumably that’s why they call themseves unionists. What is happening is that the centre of politics is becoming so repelled by what unionism has become that they are opting out. If a relative few of the ex-unionist moderates can be attracted, probably for economic reasons, to the case for a UI then nationalists will have won.

  • GavBelfast

    Lib2016 – that sounds ominous too. Is that all ultra nationalism is about, scaring decent people?

    What do nationalists want? An agreed future or a hollow victory?

  • Davros

    cg- I agree, it’s about mindsets. Those might change if punishment shootings and armed robberies stopped.

  • Brian Boru

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    Davros

    ‘The press for starters :)’

    sure and they were all waiting around the neutral corner waiting to be converted.

    ‘As for my comments about McDowell, there has been a welcoming of his comments among my friends and acquaintances in the unionist community. As more people like him speak out against your heros more and more people from the unionist community fell less hostility to the Republic.’

    Getting attacks on SF confused with furthering a UI is nonsensical. But on a wider point Mc Dowell has had an effect on a few of your mates. Gee that really is a sea change in unionism.

    Brian Boru,

    comments removed and referred to site management. A.U.

  • lib2016

    GavBelfast – Nationalists want a free independent 32-county republic the route to which was agreed in the GFA. Presumably that’s why so many unionists oppose the GFA since they haven’t yet accepted the fact that the decline of the community is already far advanced.

    With a declining share of the electorate and an aging population the shape of the future is not in doubt. All that’s left is to see how long or short a time it takes.

    Pointing out that a UI is coming closer all the time and that it will be attained peacefully is not a threat. Do decent nationalists have to tell lies because unionism won’t face up to reality?

  • slug9987

    “With a declining share of the electorate and an aging population the shape of the future is not in doubt.”

    The shape of the future is never certain.

  • Brian Boru

    Da McGlincheys Code
    Your attempts to criminalise me are pathetic
    The reality is I have already admitted my faux pas and as such expect to move on.
    The IRA are not admitting their criminality and that’s the difference. They hate having it pointed out to them. Like a child whose parents catch them doing something naughty they behave with recalcitrance.

  • lib2016

    ‘The shape of the future is never certain’ – Agreed, but we can be pretty dammed sure! (;-) The DUP are in the process of accepting the Agreement because they know that it’s the best deal they will get.

    A little leadership and straight talking from unionist realists is long overdue. They can’t hide behind the UUP/DUP rivalry forever. Maybe after the elections if the UUP is really wiped out……..

  • Alan

    Getting back to mindsets – what exactly is the RM’s strategy for changing them. They have no clear idea of how to join in real dialectic with people – to do that you can’t kill people or threaten them.

    I would also ask how the RM intend to tackle the mindsets that intimidated a bar full of people into silence and brutalised a community to ensure that no-one gives evidence to convict a murderer. What advice would the RM give to an individual faced with such a situation?

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    Brian Boru,

    You were guilty of crude and vulgar language that’s all, no one is trying to criminalise you for gods sake. However, it is an example of your mindset.
    Speaking of mindsets, Davros was able to tell who my heroes were almost immediately and he didn’t even ask me what school I went to or how I pronounced ‘H’. Pigeon holes are so handy.

  • slug9987

    I don’t think we can even be “pretty sure” about the future, if you mean whether a United Ireland is coming.

    The future is not the extrapolation of past trends. I know a bit about forecasting (professionally). Forecasting is bedevilled by two problems. First, there are things we know we don’t know about and second there are the changes we don’t know that we don’t know about.

    Even the things we know that we don’t know (e.g. future birth rate patterns and migration) give an unclear future under a range of assumptions, and don’t project a catholic majority under simple extrapolation. The culturally catholic part of the school age population has now become a minority again according to the 2001 census. More recent birth and DENI figures suggest this minority status will not change soon.

    Importantly, migration patterns are becoming a bigger part of the picture. Here you (in NI) no longer have a large net outflow of people. Furthermore there is a fair bit of in-migration from the EU and outside the EU that will not make plans for demographic change any easier to predict.

    The things we don’t know that we don’t know pose even bigger problems. I can’t say much about those, for obvious reasons. But changes in technology, ideas, society do not favour any specific group in any systematic way. These are the most important changes of all, long term.

    Beware complacenecy, all ye amateur forecasters out there. There is no grounds for it.

  • Brian Boru

    slug dya remember Rumsfield when he did his:”there are knowns and unknowns” speech
    ok Da McGlincheys Code truce?
    Scotland 6-0 half-time fantastic

  • Davros

    With a declining share of the electorate and an aging population the shape of the future is not in doubt. All that’s left is to see how long or short a time it takes.

    Is this not a revival of the old sectarian headcount waiting game ? Nationalism in general and SF in particular has a problem. If and when the peace process is finished – hat tip to Newt for his comments about Gerry Adams revealing slip* – and a devolved NI is up, running and working well there will be more rather than less RCs favouring the Union with GB.

    * Murderous thoughts

    Republican commentator Anthony McIntyre’s widely-acknowledged theory that Sinn Fein wants the peace process to go around in circles forever was confirmed this Thursday by no less a person than Gerry Adams himself.

    The Sinn Fein president warned of a deepening crisis and told Tony Blair that the peace process could turn out to be ‘transient’. But here’s the thing, Gerry. The rest of us always thought the peace process would be ‘transient’ – as in something that doesn’t go on forever.

    If you think otherwise it might be time to let us know.

  • Brian Boru

    Davros: 1st Minister
    cg: Deputy Minister

    Only way forward now.

    I’ll head SF if GA resigns
    and face down the IRA.

    ~ just a few humble thoughts ~

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Michael McDowell did more in furthering the cause of a United Ireland in the past couple of weeks than SF and the IRA have done in the past 30 odd years of killings and maimings.

    A question for the unionists: is there anything outside McDowell’s opposition to Sinn Fein and IRA activity that appeals to you?

    Would you vote for him, were it possible?!

  • Davros

    A question for the unionists: is there anything outside McDowell’s opposition to Sinn Fein and IRA activity that appeals to you?

    His plain speaking.

  • James

    02:28 5 Feb. 2005

    “Three men face very serious charges.”

    What is the status of the case? When does it go to trial?

    So nobody has a clue.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    This can not happen while people try to criminalize republicans, it won’t be tolerated.

    What are people supposed to do when they commit blatantly criminal acts such as the Adare robbery, and then try to get the protaganists released as political prisoners ? Republicanism eulogises criminality.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    I’d like to expect republicans to be honest about things they have done in the past and (and are still doing apparently). In the same way, I expect unionists to be honest about the way it has manipulated and apologized for loyalist paramilitarism in the past (and which it still does apparently – let’s see what happens at Carnmoney Cemetery this year – will the local unionists blame the Catholic priest for causing the riots where loyalists hijack and burn out cars near the cemetery?).

    If we could get those two simple things we’d be well on our way to a permanent solution.

  • Jacko

    “This can not happen while people try to criminalize republicans, it won’t be tolerated.”

    Well excuse us for daring to mention the shooting dead of a police officer in Adare and the serious wounding of his colleague by provos robbing a bank. And how dare we call that a crime.
    Excuse us for mentioning Macro, the Northern Bank, murders, street brawls, spying, extortion, racketeering et al never mind calling them crimes.

    The only people making criminals out of provisional republicans are themselves.

    They are now nothing more than a green mafia.

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    Brian Boru,

    Caledonia robbed, soz.

  • tebzz3

    speaking of conspiracy theories, and the stormont spyring, all spying charges have been dropped, the only outstanding charges are handling documents “likely to be of use to terrorists”. In the last few weeks a unionist paramilitary has just received a suspended sentence for gathering intelligence on nationalists, the individual had just a few months before received another suspended sentence relating to drugs. so not much chance of securing a conviction there.
    A physical contection to the spyring, unionist politics, the ruc, and the bank robbery is BILL LOWRY.

    comments removed – please be careful in respect of discussing individuals A.U.

  • Brian Boru

    Da McGlincheys Code
    Tantalisingly close
    Caledonia wuz robbed.. thanx.
    Ahh but the Dragons did the biz…

    So quiet here
    I must be the only one not out on the piss.
    Things to do:
    Hmmmn… get a life perhaps!

    Wonder if next week will see some
    honest self-reflection coming out of
    SF, or just more whinging.

    I’m thinking of becoming a Unionist.
    Would they have me 🙂
    God save the Queen.
    Have I gone mad?

  • cg

    “cg- I agree, it’s about mindsets. Those might change if punishment shootings and armed robberies stopped”

    They will only stop when we have an effective police service supported by all instead of the sham we have at the moment.

    “Davros: 1st Minister
    cg: Deputy Minister”

    LOL

    “I’ll head SF if GA resigns
    and face down the IRA”

    LOL, over my dead body and many others 😉

    “Have I gone mad?”

    Yep, you have lost the plot, so to speak 😉

  • Davros

    They will only stop when we have an effective police service supported by all instead of the sham we have at the moment.

    hard to be effective when there isn’t even a concensus on what constitutes a crime 😉

    “In a remark likely to exacerbate tensions, Mitchel McLaughlin, a Sinn Fein spokesman, said in a radio interview that if the IRA were to rob the Northern Bank again “it would be wrong but it wouldn’t be criminal”.

  • James

    “hard to be effective when there isn’t even a concensus on what constitutes a crime ;)”

    or what a decent sham is.

    Party on.

  • Brian Boru

    I’m drunk
    and listening to Christy Moore
    Live at the point

    I love you guys