What is the worth of a father, brother, husband, son?

WAS Robert McCartney’s life worth less than £26 million? If you think the right to life is worth something more, you may wish to attend a vigil in his memory tomorrow evening.

McCartney’s sister told the Belfast Telegraph:

Revealing the family circle has been left devastated by the killing of the 33-year-old father of two, Paula told the Belfast Telegraph: “We are gutted by what has happened.

“We, as a family, want to dispel the rumours his death was part of a knife culture or that it was a pub brawl.

“Robert was an innocent bystander. He was a peacemaker who would have tried to diffuse a row and we’ve heard that when it happened, Robert had his hands in the air.”

Speaking from her Albertbridge Road home, she said: “It’s very important the people who did this are caught or another family could lose out very quickly. They need to be taken off the streets.”

She said she didn’t want to comment on reports that republicans were linked to the murder. She said it was common knowledge who was involved.

Tomorrow’s vigil is at the shop fronts on Mountpottinger Road at 5.45pm.

  • PaddyCanuck

    I would like to add my condolences to the McCartney family, his mother, father, sisters, and to his wife and young sons.

    This was murder plain and simple, and those who comitted it were nothing less than plain thugs.

    I also would ask people to think of his friend who is lying in hospital near death.

    If republicans were involved, I believe that this represents the type of criminality that the IRA said in yesteradays statement that they would not tolerate. They should make it clear that this is the case.

  • mickhall

    Nice post Paddy, I would add my condolences to the McCartney family, they deserve some justice from somewhere.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Why the analogy between 26 million and this particular murder?

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Hazard a guess.

  • PaddyCanuck

    I do not see the analogy either Pat, but would ask you add your condolences , nevertheless.

  • JD

    Gonzo, are you suggesting that he was killed because he had knowledge of who was behind the robbery and was intending to tell the PSNI?

  • Belfast Gonzo

    No. Just suggesting that the response to and consequences of the robbery compared to the murder seems somewhat disproportionate.

  • DCB

    I would like to add my condolances, it is a shocking murder. I only hope that witnesses are not too scared to give evidence

  • Jimmy Sands

    I think Gonzo’s point is well made. The governments repeatedly turned a blind eye to murders and kneecappings, but only drew the line when a large sum of money was involved.

  • PaddyCanuck

    Here Gonzo I often wonder if I know you…

    Ever been to Dublin on a QUB Polysoc weekend, do stairs ring a bell?

  • willowfield

    If republicans were involved, I believe that this represents the type of criminality that the IRA said in yesteradays statement that they would not tolerate. They should make it clear that this is the case.

    Fat chance. Not only are they happy to tolerate it, they’re actually prepared to protect the suspects from the law. Witness Monday’s riot in the Markets as an attempt to hamper the police investigation.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Gonzo,

    are you being critical of the media?

  • willowfield

    I wonder, if charges are brought against any “leading republicans” (code for PIRA members), will PSF accept that there is evidence, or will they deny responsibility?

  • PaddyCanuck

    I did not see Alex Maskey, or Gerry Adams rioting Willowfield … It looked like a bunch of kids to me.

  • JD

    I think Gonzo’s point is well made. The governments repeatedly turned a blind eye to murders and kneecappings, but only drew the line when a large sum of money was involved.

    I agree that the point is a good one, but I do think Gonzo could have developed his point a little further in his blog.

    It does tell one quite a bit about the “hierarchy” of criminal behaviour as it understood by real politik.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    It is clear that unionists and others seemed to have jumped the gun (yet again) on this one. The ‘republican’ arrest had a few of the sharks circling but now no one is currently being arrested all we have is a pub murder and a widow and orphans.
    Doesn’t stop some trying to get some mileage out of the corpse for a few political brownie points.

  • PaddyCanuck

    Brownie point seem to be outscoring condolences.

  • mickhall

    Pat,
    The above is an extremely insensitive comment considering what the family of Mr McCartney have said. Why do you not offer your condolences instead of trying to divert the thread?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    mickhall,

    i’m simply trying to draw out of some people what is their thinking on this case, there seems to be a lot of nudge nudge, wink wink concerning this case and you are one of the people in the vanguard.
    There was a Lithuanian stabbed to death recently, why was no thread opened then? Was it because there were no ‘republicans’ arrested? Didn’t see too many people rushing out condolences over that unfortunate murder.

    There is no case of diversion from me, if you’re trying to make a political point over this murder simply have the honesty to be up front about it.

  • Henry94

    willowfield

    I wonder, if charges are brought against any “leading republicans” (code for PIRA members), will PSF accept that there is evidence, or will they deny responsibility?

    Bringing a charge is one thing. Getting a conviction is quite another . But if leading republicans were involved in a pub brawl which led to a death that is not a reflection on republicans in general.

    If, for example, a leading unionist shot his wife that would not reflect on all unionists, would it?

  • Belfast Gonzo

    PaddyCanuck

    No idea what you’re getting at.

    Pat Mc Larnon

    Yes, partly. Also many others.

    * * *

    Fortunately, there was at least one witness to this murder, and – unless there is witness intimidation or refusal to co-operate – this should be an open and shut case.

    It would be terrible if witnesses who wanted to felt they could not safely give evidence against the killer, for any reason.

  • Jacko

    PaddyCanuck
    Would like to echo your sentiments, for no other reason than I agree entirely with what you say.

  • willowfield

    PaddyCanuck

    I did not see Alex Maskey, or Gerry Adams rioting Willowfield … It looked like a bunch of kids to me.

    Very funny, Paddy.

    Pat McLarnon

    There was a Lithuanian stabbed to death recently, why was no thread opened then? Was it because there were no ‘republicans’ arrested?

    I would think so, yes. No rioting either. Hence little political significance.

    Henry94

    Bringing a charge is one thing. Getting a conviction is quite another .

    Obviously! But you need evidence to bring a charge. Will that count?

    But if leading republicans were involved in a pub brawl which led to a death that is not a reflection on republicans in general.

    No! Republicans are such a peace-loving bunch: they wouldn’t dream of hurting a fly. Those 1,800 murders were just high spirits.

    If, for example, a leading unionist shot his wife that would not reflect on all unionists, would it?

    No. But if he was a member of an illegal death squad inextricably linked to a Unionist Party it would have major political significance.

    Gonzo

    It would be terrible if witnesses who wanted to felt they could not safely give evidence against the killer, for any reason.

    Republicans would never dream of that!! Unheard of!

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Gonzo,

    Open and shut case mmmm. The man who was with Mr Mc Cartney when he was murdered and who was also stabbed (presumably the witness) was himself charged with the attempted murder of a doorman in a knife attack at a night club just over a year ago.
    Could be a few more facts to emerge over this case.

  • PaddyCanuck

    Gonzo,

    Your name ryhmes with someone I kno, and your opinions are very like his, I just wondered if you were him…

    Thats all

  • Jacko

    Fair play to Pat McClarnon he seems to have done his homework on this one.
    Thanks to his information it now looks more than likely that the provos attacked this guy in revenge for an altercation that took place last year. From what I hear, Robert McCartney was trying to break up the row when the provos turned on him as well.
    This is the crowd that, according to my aul mucker Pat on another thread, is morphing into a disciplined political cadre that will form the backbone of the republican struggle for freedom. Who’s going to free us from the freedom fighters is what concerns me.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Jackeen,

    I believe in doing my homework and i’ve just had an e-mail from a reporter chap asking me about the story. Not the first time i’ve been approached, so Slugger seems to be a source of information for the fourth estate.
    Sorry to inform you but the person stabbed 13mths ago was in fact a protestant, but hey keep plugging away.

    I didn’t say the IRA are morphing into anything, I hoped that they would.

    Perhaps you could follow my lead and do a bit of homework yourself LOL.

  • Jacko

    Congrats Pat, so a reporter contacted you. Well done, was he from Daily Ireland by any chance?

    You’re right of course, the provos couldn’t give a damn how many Prods are stabbed.

    It must just have been how it first appeared then, a crowd of drunken provos back in Belfast, blood boiling after the Bloody Sunday commemoration march, looking someone to pick on and these two poor lads just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    By the way Pat, me aul mucker, any thoughts on who is going to free us from the freedom fighters?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Jackeen,

    he was from a Sunday broadsheet. Reading your ramblimgs I fear you will remain uncontacted for some time yet. But hang around here for a while you’ll learn.

  • Jacko

    Pat my old friend and now would-be mentor.

    How come you haven’t learned then.

    By the way, care to answer my point re. Bobby Sands on the other thread? Or is it unanswerable by those who support criminality masquerading as republicanism.

  • mickhall

    mickhall,

    “i’m simply trying to draw out of some people what is their thinking on this case, there seems to be a lot of nudge nudge, wink wink concerning this case and you are one of the people in the vanguard.

    Posted by Pat Mc Larnon,”

    I tell you at times I still marvel at the sheer cheek of SF supporters, Pat Mc Larnon accuses me of engaging in nudge and winks as far as this murder is concerned. Indeed it appears im no ordinary nudger, let alone winker but im in the vanguard of nudgers. Not any more im afraid, although in my youth my old nudger did not get to many complaints, still, according to Pat I beleive anything that people tell me so I could be mistaken even about that..

    After making these accusations, Pat then goes on to post a whole serious of post that are nothing but winks, and nods or whatever he calls such behaviour. He first brings onto the stage some poor Lithuanian, who is followed by the deceased chum who Pat would have us believe a year or so ago was himself out chiving people. The only reason Pat mentions this I presume is to let us know the victim must have deserved all he got for mixing with such a person. Sadly in a later post the knifeman has morphed into a ‘protestant,’ what denomination Pat does not tell us but a protestant he was nonetheless, I suppose we must form our own opinions about someone who mixes with Protestants, crime of crime that must be. Next some journalist who telephones Pat is brought into the story. Is it any wonder that Pat has had no time to offer the family of the murdered man his condolences. No, he is far to busy accusing others to do the decent think.

    I have had my joke, but there is a more serious side to this, there is a pattern emerging here and it is familiar. When PIRA volunteers have been found responsible for some crime within their own community, then the rumour mill goes into over drive. People who have led blameless lives become exposed as pedophiles, or touts, wife beaters, etc, thus, or so the accusers theory goes, they were only getting what was coming to them. People like Pat would do their party a favour by keeping quite, I for one made no accusation that this murder was carried out by PIRA volunteers, for I have no idea who committed this dastardly crime. But I tell you, Pats response has made me very suspicious as to who committed this act. Unlike Pat I will await until I learn more, but who ever was responsible, only an absolute low life would try and lessen the act by spreading rumours and innuendoes as to the character of the victims.

  • willowfield

    mick

    Don’t dare accuse Pat of being a SF supporter! I did that and he doesn’t speak to me anymore.

  • maca

    Mick
    “an absolute low life would try and lessen the act by spreading rumours and innuendoes as to the character of the victims”

    Par for the course in NI, we’ve heard it countless times from both sides. So why the reaction? 😉

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    mickhall,

    ‘who is followed by the deceased chum who Pat would have us believe a year or so ago was himself out chiving people.’

    I wouldn’t have you believe at all, it was the PSNI wot charged him not me.

    ‘Sadly in a later post the knifeman has morphed into a ‘protestant,’ what denomination Pat does not tell us but a protestant he was nonetheless,’

    The knifeman doesn’t morph into anything, please re read the post.

    Why are you only offering condolesences in this case, selective sympathy?

    ‘Unlike Pat I will await until I learn more’

    Oh no you didn’t.

    The disingenuousness of your post is breathtaking, this case is only being discussed because of the arrest of a ‘republican’ Gonzo has more or less admitted it on a previous thread.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘but who ever was responsible, only an absolute low life would try and lessen the act by spreading rumours and innuendoes as to the character of the victims.’

    I haven’t mentioned Mc Cartney so the innuendo slur is a lie. The fact remains the other stabbing victim was himself charged with the attemted murder of a doorman in a knife attack. sorry to spoil the run of your thread with a bit of evidence, but tough.

  • willowfield

    Who was the other stabbing victim? What is his name? How do you know him or know about him?

  • mickhall

    Pat,
    I do not think you are a low life, I just wish you would try and be a bit more open minded and not so bitter in your judgements. Let me ask you a hypothetical question, forget this murder as neither of us know the full facts. If a paramilitary volunteer goes out on the piss, gets into an argument whilst drinking in a public place late at night and uses the name of the organisation he is a member of to get back up, and then goes on to play a role in the death of the man. Would you expect that individual to be court marshalled for that killing by the leadership of the organisation he belongs to. Or would you agree with them (P-Ms) destroying any CCTV tapes and threatening any witness who may have been present not to speak about what they saw to anyone. How do you feel such a problem should be dealt with, taking into account the fall out within the local community that may well arise from it?

  • Jacko

    Welcome back Pat

    Were you away doing your interview for that upmarket paper The Sunday Life?

    I’ll look out for the “republican sources said” bit on Sunday.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    mickhall,

    the person or people involved in this murder is/are murderers pure and simple and thus should face whatever sanctions and or punishment that can be mustered.
    You and i know that locally people have a tendency to make up their own minds and will deliver their own sanctions.

    The Mc Cartney family have been quite forthright in their assertion that he was not involved in any fracas and was in fact a peacemaker. I believe that 100%. However, the other person injured with Mr Mc Cartney (I don’t know if they were together) was himself charged with an attempted murder involving a knife, it also involved a drinking establishment. His co accused was from the Markets area. Now in the light of the innuendo and rumours this does have some signigicance.

    The basic thrust of the thread has been look what happened when the IRA robbed a bank and the media frenzy, while they murdered this man and there’s basically nothing (aint that right Gonzo).

    All very well and neatly packaged and fits in nicely with the current media agenda, but there are other possibilities.

  • Alan2

    “Pats response has made me very suspicious as to who committed this act.”

    At the very least Alex Maskey should be comdemning the riots and allowing the police to do their job.

  • Davros

    All very well and neatly packaged and fits in nicely with the current media agenda, but there are other possibilities.

    Gosh, I remember using exactly the same argument in respect of certain surveillance equipment … and taking dog’s abuse from people on your side of TDF pat. In this case a man is dead. God help his family. We should let the authorities sort out who killed him.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Davros,

    but weren’t SF proven to be right over the surveillance equipment?

    Good luck anyway, see you in a fortnight.

  • Davros

    Pat – the dog’s abuse came at the same stage as we are NOW in this case …. Are you away for a fortnight ?

  • carlosblancos

    I’m sorry that I cannot join the vigil as I will be travelling north.

    The point about the 23m .v. the life of a human being is well made. This event highlights the moral vacuum that we live in..Belfast is not a normal city…it’s like Naples or Palermo or Belgrade.

    Police investigate a brutal murder and are themselves attacked. A robbery causes a moral outrage while murders go unnoticed.

  • Dec

    Carlosblancos et al

    I was in the Markets at 5pm on Monday. There was a heavy police presence yet no trouble. I saw children and Policemen chatting amicably. Earlier I had witnessed Police carry out forensic investigations in and around the area without any interferance. As Alex Maskey mentioned the trouble started later when Riot squads started kicking in doors and arresting men who had nothing to do with the fatal stabbing. Did it occur to you that that was the source of outrage, not the actual investigation?

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Dec, I actually work near the Markets and saw it on Monday also. The police were not obstructed in their investigations surrounding the bar, but the riot started immediately when they went into the Markets to arrest their suspects.

    I don’t believe the accusation of doors being kicked down, sounds like hyperbole to me. It would be a straightforward matter for photographic evidence of a smashed door to be provided to the media and the Police Ombudsman as a nice little bit of propaganda, but the evidence doesn’t seem to be forthcoming oddly enough.

  • Dec

    “but the evidence doesn’t seem to be forthcoming oddly enough.”

    ahh, the irony.

  • Jacko

    Davros

    You asked Pat McLarnon: “Are you away for a fortnight?”

    Word on the street is he’s “been required” to spend some time in Room 101, and I don’t mean the BBC2 Paul Merton version.

    Something about him refering to the killers of Rab McCartney as “criminals” and needing “re-educated”.

    I’ll keep you informed of anything else I hear.

  • willowfield

    Dec

    As Alex Maskey mentioned the trouble started later when Riot squads started kicking in doors and arresting men who had nothing to do with the fatal stabbing.

    How do you know they had nothing to do with the murder? How would the police have obtained warrants if it weren’t reasonable for them to search the premises?

  • Dec

    Jacko

    I’m confused. When Hugh Orde said the IRA were involved in the Northern Bank raid you believed him. He has now said the IRA were not involved in the murder yet judging by your posts on this topic you don’t appear to believe him. Care to elaborate?

  • willowfield

    Dec

    How do you know they had nothing to do with the murder? How would the police have obtained warrants if it weren’t reasonable for them to search the premises?

  • Dec

    Willowfield

    I could tell you but whatever my response you’d dismiss it and tell me how wrong I am. You do it on every thread (and not just on this site) and to be honest I couldn’t be bothered entering into a discussion with you as it is ultimately pointless.

  • Sluggerite

    Hugh Orde said: “I do not think this is a crime that is related to a particular terrorist group following its particular objective.”

    That does not mean members of the IRA including very senior members were not involved in the murder.

  • Dec

    Would these be the people who were ‘unconditionally released’?

  • willowfield

    Dec

    I could tell you but whatever my response you’d dismiss it and tell me how wrong I am. You do it on every thread (and not just on this site) and to be honest I couldn’t be bothered entering into a discussion with you as it is ultimately pointless.

    Poor show, Dec. I would only say you were wrong if you were wrong. If you were right, I would acknowledge it, and if I didn’t know whether you were right or wrong I would say so.

    I’ll assume by your refusal to explain that you don’t actually know they had nothing to do with the murder. You just made it up.

  • Lena

    I am a family friend of the McCartney family. I am absolutely outraged at some of the remarks made by users. Robert or Bert was an amazing father to his two sons and a loving partner to Bridgeen. Bert was out having a drink with a friend the night he was MURDERED (yes it was murder not a pub brawl). His kind heart would not let a man be attacked by more than one individual and therefore he stepped in as a peacemaker. I do not care fot the remarks of who he was with and their past history. What I do care about is that this family will have to endure another burial of their son might I add that this is the last brother or son that the McCartneys had after young Gerard took his own life 4 years ago. The reason I am writing here is to remind people that this attack has NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS. It was plain muder carried out by individuals who have robbed this amazing family or a true gentleman. I just would like to ask any one who reads this notice to spare a thought for the Bridgeen and her two sons and for his parents and sisters as well as all the people who have been touched by Bert.

    The family deserve to know the truth about what happened. If you have any information please let the family know.

    Thanks

    PS The family are enduring unimaginable pain by not being able to bury their son at teh PSNi can not release the body until soem has been formally charged or if they do not believe some one will be charged then Robert may be returned to his family.

  • An Bearnach

    Can anyone confirm a report that within half an hour of the murder, masked men removed the tape from the pub CCTV?

  • Jacko

    Dec

    “I’m confused. When Hugh Orde said the IRA were involved in the Northern Bank raid you believed him. He has now said the IRA were not involved in the murder yet judging by your posts on this topic you don’t appear to believe him. Care to elaborate?”

    Love to Dec, but I can’t take a risk on compromising my sources. You know how it is. How’s Ant, by the way.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    An Bearnach

    Don’t know about the masks, but the CCTV tapes were taken, according to TV reports earlier in the week.

    Lena

    A powerful post. Thanks for your contribution.

  • mickhall

    Gonzo wrote,
    Don’t know about the masks, but the CCTV tapes were taken, according to TV reports earlier in the week.

    Hi
    It would be interesting to know who owned the bar.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Mick, it doesn’t matter who owns the bar. If certain people come in and request that the CCTV tapes are removed, it’s usually best to comply.

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    Why would it be interesting to know who owned the bar? Is their any suspicions over the bar owners? Mickhall seems peeved when the history of one of those stabbed is brought up but sees no problem in casting aspertions on the bar owner, a bit of a hypocrite.

  • IJP

    Dec

    OK then, I’ll try instead: how do you know they had nothing to do with the murder? How would the police have obtained warrants if it weren’t reasonable for them to search the premises?

  • IJP

    Lena

    Many thanks for coming on and sharing that with us. Our thoughts and prayers are with the whole family circle.

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    ‘OK then, I’ll try instead: how do you know they had nothing to do with the murder? How would the police have obtained warrants if it weren’t reasonable for them to search the premises?’

    Proving your innocence seems to be the norm these days. I thought it was the other way around, having to prove guilt.
    Yeah they got the warrants and found sweet FA. Wouldn’t be like the police to go around bending the rules would it?

  • IJP

    DMC

    Dec stated that they had nothing to do with it as fact. WF quite reasonably asked him to show the evidence. He couldn’t.

    Wouldn’t be like the police to go around bending the rules would it?

    It’d be very like them – so what are you doing about it?

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    IJP,

    ‘It’d be very like them – so what are you doing about it?’

    So it mighn’t have been reasonable for them to search the premises?

  • mickhall

    Why would it be interesting to know who owned the bar? Is their any suspicions over the bar owners? Mickhall seems peeved when the history of one of those stabbed is brought up but sees no problem in casting aspertions on the bar owner, a bit of a hypocrite.

    Posted by: Da McGlincheys Code

    Da,

    Why would it be casting aspersions to ask who owns the bar and more to the point, what aspirations would I be casting, do they water the beer?

    Funny old thing CCTV, whether it is in clubs or bars when some poor guy gets the life beaten out of him, or in the high street when the police are giving a pasting to an unfortunate passer by, or are having a smoke when some thugs pummel to death someone on his way home from what he thought had been a good night out, the CCTV tapes always seem to go missing. Yet when one asks the bar owner, the local council or the police what’s the point of them, they all reply to protect the best interest of the public. As I said funny old things CCTV. Surly if we are going to have such intrusion and I would prefer not to have it, then all CCTV in public places should be downloaded to a central location. So that men in balaclavas, whether government issue of not, cannot quite so easily, just walk off with the tapes.

  • Da McGlincheys Code

    mick,

    read your article in The Blanket where you more or less blame the IRA for the murder at the bar. Following on from that i assumed that on this site you were assuming the IRA owned the bar. I now realise that assumption was false and i apologise.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    The IRA doesn’t own the bar or have anything to do with it’s operation. If I remember correctly, it used to be owned by Botanic Inns, which is the same collective which owns McHugh’s, the Bot etc, but was sold off within the last two years and I think it is now owned independently (I have to say it has gone downhill somewhat, food service is a lot slower, but I digress). But don’t quote me on any of that. The bar is certainly frequented by people in the Markets. Recently it renovated it’s right-hand side with some more poncey upmarket decor, presumably to handle the armies of barristers which come over from time to time from the courts across the road.

    Mick, I concur with you there and thought your article in The Blanket was right on the money. I don’t see why the republicans think they can get away with denial, it’s not like they haven’t done this before. In 1997 Andrew Kearney picked a fight and won with a senior republican in North Belfast, so a few days later an IRA detachment visited his New Lodge flat, strangled him and pulled out his phone so that he couldn’t call for help. His mother came out and said quite clearly that it was the IRA, and she was visited a few times by Gerry Adams who was obviously try to smooth things over. The fact that the IRA wasn’t going to have it’s authority challenged by anyone in the areas where it retains control was made clear, and I think this recent murder was another example of the same thing.

    On the CCTV matter a friend of mine was subjected nearly ten years ago to a good kicking by the RUC at the time in Shaftesbury Square on a saturday night, and he attempted to take them to court over it. The CCTV camera tapes which cover the entire area went “missing”. It seems to me that CCTV cameras run by the authorities really need to be contracted out to an independent body which is held legally accountable for ensuring the tapes are not “lost”.

    There have been other similar cases. For example the police investigation of the murder of the taxi driver Michael McGoldrick by Billy Wright years ago was recently found to have been very badly done and a shoddy piece of work, so the case was reopened. It was found that several files which presumably would have been incriminating of the conduct of the investigation had gone missing from the PSNI’s records, effectively preventing the Police Ombudsman from pursuing the matter any further. The weird thing about it, I thought, was the way that nobody asked who was responsible for the files and why they weren’t being held to account for things going missing. Hopefully, once these things become more computerized, it won’t be so easy for this type of thing to occur.

  • mickhall

    Da McGlincheys Code

    Fair do’s mate, all the best.

    Roger W

    Interesting points, I understand Mr McCartneys body has been released for burial, if true does this mean the police are conceding that it is doubtful if any one will be charged and brought to trial for his murder, or is that normal practice in such cases and the investigation will continue?

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Mick, I have heard the opinion expressed elsewhere that the police intended to retain the body until charges were ready to be brought or until the investigation had hit a brick wall.