Irish Times poll backs Bertie

The Irish Times has more figures from its poll.. and has decided to highlight that 62% of those surveyed support Taioseach Bertie Ahern’s reluctant assessment that he should continue to talk to Sinn Féin. Further down the article, though, is a more significant figure – less than half of those surveyed, just 46%, said they believe that Sinn Féin “is committed to working towards the ending of all paramilitary violence and criminal activity” – That’s a pretty fundamental question for any democracy. (usual caveats with polls apply with an additional note that no comparable figures for the last 7 years seem to be available)

  • Henry94

    Pete

    As an exibition of straw clutching that is an impressive introduction. This is in fact an outstanding poll for Sinn Fein. Less than half the people believe te IRA carried out the bank job despite the unanimity of the establishment parties.

    Above all the poll shows that the people of the south have an understanding and a grasp of the peace process that far exceeds that of the commentariat.

  • Gay

    Pete,

    As with many of your contributions you have presented this with so much bias it almost rates as deceit. You have completely ignored the fact that nearly all the figures in this poll have a positive for SF that outweighs the negatives. Missing the point is some people’s strong point.

  • peteb

    With all due respect guys, as I said, I happen to view that as “a pretty fundamental question for any democracy.”

  • Davros

    The fun one can have with figures Henry 🙂

    Less than half the people believe te IRA carried out the bank job

    Less than 20% believe the IRA didn’t carry out the abduction and bank robbery!

    37% of SF voters Don’t believe Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness when they say that the IRA definitely didn’t carry out the abduction and bank robbery!

  • Henry94

    When asked about Sinn Fein’s commitment to working towards the cessation of all paramilitary violence and criminal activity, 46 per cent were of the opinion that the party was committed to the ending of all such activity.

    Thirty two per cent said they did not believe that Sinn Fein were committed to the end of all paramilitary violence and criminal activity while 18 per cent said they did not know.

    Again an outstanding positive result for Sinn Fein depite the relentless barrage of propaganda from the Chief Constable of the PSNI and his political and media groupies north and south.

  • Davros

    Interesting that you seem to be accepting that the IRA is involved in Criminal activity here Henry.
    That’s progress.

  • Keith M

    Henry 94 “Less than half the people believe te IRA carried out the bank job despite the unanimity of the establishment parties.” Nonsense, have you actually read the poll?

    The fact that the IT has chosen to spin the poll results is also significant.

  • aquifer

    When it comes to armed subversion, the poll that matters is taken at the desk of the justice minister.

  • armaghman

    One figure which seems surprising is that a significant proportion of opposition party supporters as well as FF would accept SF in govt. The PDs are lowest but 18% is more than I would have thought

  • Henry94

    Davros

    Less than 20% believe the IRA didn’t carry out the abduction and bank robbery!

    There is only one fair way to present an opinion poll finding and that is to give all the figures for the answer to the question.

    Less than half of voters – 47 per cent – believe that the IRA was responsible for the recent £26.5 million Northern Bank robbery. Just 19 per cent believe the IRA was not responsible, while 29 per cent say they don’t know and 5 per cent expressed no opinion.

    If the question was put to me I would say I don’t know because I don’t. The finding that less than half accept the PNSI/Governments/Unionist/SDLP/Fine Gael line is the important point.

    This poll is like the people of Ireland throwing a protective arm around the peace process and it is a major setback for the exclusion agenda.

    Davros

    Interesting that you seem to be accepting that the IRA is involved in Criminal activity here Henry.

    I’m reporting the results of a poll based on the questions put. The questions do not represent my position. But you are right to point to the bias in them.

  • Jimmy Sands

    Politically the most significant figure may be that SF govt remains unacceptable to supporters of both main parties. SF therefore remains merely a protest vote for the forseeable future.

  • Davros

    There is only one fair way to present an opinion poll finding and that is to give all the figures for the answer to the question.

    Which YOU did not do Henry LOL

    You pointed out that

    Less than half the people believe te IRA carried out the bank job

    So,where were the rest of the figures Henry ? 😉

    No mention that less than one fifth of the people believe that the IRA didn’t do the abduction, terrorising and robbery….

    So, as I pointed out …The fun one can have with figures. I’ll have a bet that if in May SF outscore the SDLP by the same ratio (48:19) you’ll describe it as overwhelming and a disaster for the SDLP!

    And over a third of SF voters don’t believe Adams and McGuinness LOL

  • Henry94

    Davros

    I’ll have a bet that if in May SF outscore the SDLP by the same ratio (48:19) you’ll describe it as overwhelming and a disaster for the SDLP!

    In that case the big story would be the collapse of the unionist vote (33% including APNI!)

    So,where were the rest of the figures Henry ? 😉

    They were just under where I made the point that we should provide all the figures. Here they are again if you missed it

    There is only one fair way to present an opinion poll finding and that is to give all the figures for the answer to the question.

    Less than half of voters – 47 per cent – believe that the IRA was responsible for the recent £26.5 million Northern Bank robbery. Just 19 per cent believe the IRA was not responsible, while 29 per cent say they don’t know and 5 per cent expressed no opinion.

    You are still failing to provide all the figures. Why? Is it because they are devestating to the exclusion agenda?

  • Davros

    That’s SO DISHONEST of you Henry!

    My Post was AFTER this one of yours at 11.29AM

    Pete

    As an exibition of straw clutching that is an impressive introduction. This is in fact an outstanding poll for Sinn Fein. Less than half the people believe te IRA carried out the bank job despite the unanimity of the establishment parties.

    Above all the poll shows that the people of the south have an understanding and a grasp of the peace process that far exceeds that of the commentariat.

    I brought up the figures that embarrass you.

    Less than 20% believe the IRA didn’t carry out the abduction and bank robbery!

    37% of SF voters Don’t believe Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness when they say that the IRA definitely didn’t carry out the abduction and bank robbery!

    You followed that by the Pious

    There is only one fair way to present an opinion poll finding and that is to give all the figures for the answer to the question.

    And after I asked you why then you didn’t originally post all the figures( your 11:29AM) , you point to your 8:20 PM ?

    Stable door after the horse has bolted matey 😉

  • Henry94

    Davros

    You followed that by the Pious

    There is only one fair way to present an opinion poll finding and that is to give all the figures for the answer to the question

    It is you who are dishonest. When I made the point that it was fair to give all the figures I followed it up with all the figures.

    In a rather typical reaction rather than accept that we should use all the figures you continue to refuse to do so. That is the issue.

    It was necessary to call for fairness because you were trying to distort the poll findings. I was on the other hand drawing attention to the fact that a majority did not accept the claim of the Goverment that the IRA was responsible.

    That was an implication of a finding and not itself a finding. If I was quoting an actual finding I would of course use the full figures. Clear?