Tell Me!

A good performance, from BBC Foyle, by a relaxed Martin McGuinness who easily avoided traps set by David Frost. Frost started with an introduction – Bertie Ahern, who is neither British nor Unionist and as such is neutral, says it was the IRA – obviously aimed at a GB audience and when this failed to ruffle Mr McGuinness asked him would he encourage people to contact the police with any information that would help solve the case.

A useful, and less open to criticism, comeback by Mr McGuinness who said that people should contact any autority in which they have confidence and that he would be interested in any information if people wished to contact him. Some carefully considered points were made when Mr McGuinness gave his summary of events. Firstly that if he had known in advance of plans for this robbery he wouldn’t have tolerated it and also that that the process had been damaged by Paisley demanding photographs not only to humiliate the IRA but also David trimble.Very neatly done and much more reasoned and controlled than previous performances. The interview ended with a hint of sarcasm from Frost who exited with ‘let us know if you get lots of phone calls …’ (paraphrased).

  • peteb

    No offence intended, AU, but David Frost hasn’t caught anyone in one of his traps for well over 30 years.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Interesting vox pop from Newry on The Politics Show at Sunday Lunchtime. No one interviewed seemed to believe republican involvement in the robbery.
    The call seemed to be for evidence to be produced. Looks like the media onslaught is not having the desired effect.

  • Davros

    That was an interesting show Pat.

    “No one interviewed seemed to believe republican involvement in the robbery.”

    more accurately … nobody interviewed was prepared to say they believed ….and If I was in that neck of the woods I would be careful what I said as well.

    Gerry K gave a bad performance IMO. He came across as defensive unlike McGuinness earlier. He wasn’t anything like as skillful at changing the subject as McGuinness.McGuinness would have made an impression on the undecided. The faithful will have loved Kelly’s performance, but that’s not good enough.

    PR point – sweater made McGuinness look relaxed and at ease, Suit made Kelly look like a defendent.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Davros,

    my description of the vox pop was accurate enough. For weeks now the papers have been stuffed full of comment by journalists stating that they haven’t spoke to one person in nationalist areas who doesn’t believe that the IRA carried out the Northern. Funny how the BBC couldn’t find one of them in Newry.

    Do you really believe that there are any undecided out there?

  • Davros

    C’mon Pat … your description was subjective.
    (“seemed to believe “)
    What member of the Public in their right mind would be filmed in Newry saying …..

  • Oilbhéar Chromaill

    I don’t believe one journalist (of the number who are saying ‘everyone believes that the IRA did it”) spoke to one member of the public about this raid.

    “Everyone believes” is like the Fox message ‘some people say’ – it’s a way of attributing objectivity to one’s own opinion.

    If this were a controversy alleging that, say, everyone believes the DUP/UUP are inextricably linked to terrorists, would those claiming ‘everyone believes’ is something which doesn’t hold water.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Davros,

    yourself and a good few others have been hanging on the words of anonymous ‘sources’ for weeks now, but here we have real people willing to give their opinions to reporters and they are dismissed out of hand. The people could of course have simply waved the reporters away and refused to talk. Unionists being as consistent as always

  • cg

    Davros

    You don’t seem to understand that people in Newry and South Armagh have seen all of these “sources” before and aren’t fooled. They ask for evidence because a lot have seen there family and friends interned on the word of “sources”.

    All anyone wants is proof, if the psni, Unionism and the Irish government are so sure it was the IRA what’s the problem?

    Let’s settle one thing, people from that part of the country aren’t afraid to say what they think and I should know as I am from there and was schooled in Newry.

    Even those who were anti-republican weren’t afraid to voice their opinions.

  • Declan

    McGuinness made an excellent point this morning when he said that the security sources pointing the finger at the IRA are the same security sources that told us of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq….

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Pat, funny that all of the nationalist commentators including people like Feeney, or publications such as the SBP, are ignoring all these voices on the ground and printing the opposite. Can you think of a good explanation for that ? I sure as hell can’t.

    [What the vox pop tells me anyway is that people are trusting the Sinn Fein leadership – fair enough. However if evidence becomes available suggesting that the IRA were indeed involved, such people aren’t going to stay trusting for very long .. ]

    cg, I work with one person from Newry is a nationalist and who thinks it was the IRA. Going by the size of the SDLP vote there you can probably assume that just under half of nationalists in the neighbourhood probably agree.

  • alexandrite

    The Frost interview of Magennis was interesting not just for what was said. Martin has reverted to the Val Doonican jumper, always an indication of concern for the boys in the trenches. The next stage, I presume, would be the died black moustache, but we havent reached that yet.
    Unlike Ambrose, I was amazed at his offer to act as one man police force with his ‘Forward any information to me on the robbery’ And what exactly is he going to do with it? I value my knee caps too much to answer that one…

  • cg

    “one person from Newry is a nationalist and who thinks it was the IRA2

    That says it all, you are saying at least half of the people of Newry believe it was the Ra based on the belief of one person.
    Even if people believe it was the Ra they still want to see proof.

    “Going by the size of the SDLP vote there”

    Which sdlp vote?

  • cg

    alexandrite

    “And what exactly is he going to do with it? I value my knee caps too much to answer that one…”

    LOL

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Roger,

    virtually every newspaper report since the robbery have been littered with ‘sources’. Virtually everyone of these ‘sources’ has chosen to remain anonymous, which points to the fact either they are cowards who don’t want their name in print or more likely, the are the invention of journalists faced with deadlines who can hardly go to their editors and state,’I have less of a clue of what happened than the PSNI.’

    A lot of these journalists have also filled their columns by stating that everyone in nationalist areas accepts it was the IRA who did it. The vox pop in Newry showed this to be nonsense. The people could have walked away, but no they chose to give their views and in doing so spoilt the script for a lot of commentators.

  • Davros

    The people could of course have simply waved the reporters away and refused to talk.

    How do you know that 95% of those approached didn’t do just that Pat ? And despite the impression you are giving, Most of those shown as being interviewed
    DIDN’T say The IRA did NOT do it, Most of them said they wanted to see evidence.

    McGuinness made an excellent point this morning when he said that the security sources pointing the finger at the IRA are the same security sources that told us of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq….

    I would very much doubt if the individuals working NI Intelligence also deal with Intelligence from the Middle East Declan.

    cg- I know people from Newry and S Armagh are independent-minded – I was courting one probably around the time you entered this world 😉 They are also not stupid.

  • cg

    Davros

    “I know people from Newry and S Armagh are independent-minded…. They are also not stupid.”

    Thanks for the glowing reference 😉

    The point I was making was they aren’t AFRAID to speak their mind.

    “I was courting one probably around the time you entered this world ;)”

    Do tell 😉

  • Davros

    Long story, First and last time I’ll ever let a pioneer offer me a drink when I’m driving LOL
    Especially as the Car had no MOT and no spare Tire.

  • cg

    “Long story, First and last time I’ll ever let a pioneer offer me a drink when I’m driving LOL
    Especially as the Car had no MOT and no spare Tire.”

    LOL, Ha Ha
    Now you have to e-mail me the craic. Was she a Newry or god’s country woman?

  • Davros

    As she’s now happily married I’m saying nothing!

  • cg

    LOL, You old dog 😉

  • Davros

    But does the area round Bessbrook and Camlough count as God’s Country ?

  • cg

    Absolutely 😉

  • Belfast Gonzo

    There’s a transcript of the McGuinness interview on Frost here.

    There’s a link to a recording there too.

    Selected highlights:

    Now my difficulty is that I don’t know who done the robbery but I do know that it has grave implications for a process that I and Gerry Adams and of course Tony Blair and the Taoiseach have put our heart and souls into over the course of recent years, some of us have risked our very lives for this peace process and I can tell you that if the IRA had of been involved in that robbery then there would have been a defining moment in the Sinn Fein’s leaderships work with the IRA. I would not have stood for it. It would have been totally and absolutely unacceptable to me. But I think also we have to see this in a proper political context.

    I think the onus of responsibility in this situation is for the Chief Constable of the PSNI, Hugh Orde to actually produce the culprits and produce the evidence and if needs be, put people before the courts.

    In the absence of that, then I think that any contemplation by the two governments of discriminating against my party – because that’s my concern in all of this, that some attempt will be made to discriminate against the largest Nationalist party in the North and in doing so I think then they’re on to very dangerous ground which would clearly send a message to many nationalists and republicans that politics doesn’t work.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Davros,

    ‘How do you know that 95% of those approached didn’t do just that Pat ? And despite the impression you are giving, Most of those shown as being interviewed
    DIDN’T say The IRA did NOT do it, Most of them said they wanted to see evidence.’

    So eventually you are coming around to the opinion that they were in fact giving their opinion rather than reacting to imaginary pressures lol.

  • Davros

    Not for the first time you have lost me Pat 🙂 You big-city slickers need to slow down for us simple country lads.

  • James

    “Bertie Ahern, who is neither British nor Unionist and as such is neutral”

    I’ll have what he’s having.

    Better make that a double.

    No ice.