Hearts and Minds: have the IRA killed the Agreement?

Hearts and Minds should be worth watching tonight. Already in the can this is what they are saying about it – one topic only!

The Northern bank robbery is turning out to the biggest whodunnit in our troubled history. Sinn Fein continue to deny IRA involvement, but no-one else is convinced. This week Martin McGuinness expresses Republican anger in the face of the concerted accusations. And with analysis from both sides of the border we ask can the whole jigsaw can be put back together again, or is it time to think again.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Nice line from Mc Guinness , ‘ innocent people were interned and imprisoned on intelligence, are we now going to intern the political process on intelligence.’

  • alex s

    the problem for McGuinness is that no-one believes him, he didn’t help his case by his farcial attempt to avoid answering Thompson’s question about whether or not republicians are involved in crime.

  • Davros

    It’s Interesting, as Newton Emerson pointed out in todays’s Irish News, that Gerry has thrown Martin to the lions. In something as serious as this one would have expected SF to field their biggest hitter.

  • cg

    Martin is one of our biggest hitter’s and our chief negotiator

  • Davros

    cg, he may play well to the party faithful and he may be a good negotiator, but he’s not great in dealing with the media.

  • Keith M

    An excellent programme, and futher proof of the ability of Noel Thompson to make politicians wince and squirm. The man is really wasted in the political backwater of Northern Ireland. The question has to be “where’s Gerry?” (cue another DUP slogan?). One has to assume that Adams is even less convicing when it comes to bare faced lies. I mean who in their right mind believes his “I’m not and never was in the IRA” nonsense. Putting McGuinness out to bat on this was not a good idea as his blatant evasion and then climb down on whether there was any criminal activity within the IRA can have been missed by very few. The feigned umbrage at the suggestion that McGuinness was on the IRA army council was almost Pythonesque.

  • alex s

    Gerry was on the radio this morning news being interviewed over the phone by Ms Austin, she barely got a word in, not as easily done face to face as McGuinness found out, clearly Martin lost the toss,

  • cg

    Davros
    Who do you think is our best media person? {I can pass on the info to HQ ;)}

    Don’t say Alex, because we all know you have a crush on him LOL

    NB this is no means suggests Alex is not an experienced public representative with excellent media skills.

  • Davros

    I cannot speak for the people you have in the South cg, although that was an interesting speech reported in AP/RN by Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin. But of the one’s I have seen, Gerry Adams is by far the best at dealing with hostile media.

  • Davros

    Don’t say Alex, because we all know you have a crush on him LOL

    Are you saying Alex is really Bairbre here ? 😉

  • cg

    What do you mean the “people you have in the South”

    I am not from the south, I am from the north.

    grumble, grumble…Free State…huh 😉

    “Are you saying Alex is really Bairbre here ?”

    Are you telling me you have a thing for Bairbre…….LOL?

  • mickhall

    I thought it was a poor performance by both of them, McGuinness was especially weak and at one time almost lost it. He was only saved by the fact that Noel Thompson had not done his homework. Two examples made me winch, firstly when McGuinness denied Thompson accusation that members of PIRA are engaged in criminal acts, and in reply McGuinness challenged him to name some who were, Thompson was unable to do so until his producers gave him an example via his ear piece, but by then he had lost the advantage. Secondly when McGuinness went on about securocrats and again named a civil servant at the NIO as a securocrat. Thompson did not seem to have any idea what position the man held in the NIO nor his work history, so he failed to come back with the obvious.

    As to Adams not appearing, well we should not be surprised as he is a man who has studied Dev’s success and failures. Although if I were McGuinness I would take note of the fact that Adams has a habit of dumping close associates when they have outlived there usefulness, or become somewhat independent minded. As to the robbery, I doubt it was organised along the lines that the RUC have hinted at, although that in itself means little. However unless members of PIRA are charged and found guilty, or evidence is presented by the state as to why it is impossible to bring this about. It would be monstrous and very dangerous to take any sanctions against SF, as it would not only be against natural justice but also the rule of law. Having said this, as far as the general public are concerned, only the word of P’ O’Neil will carry any weight as to PIRA’s innocence and even then not a great deal

  • Davros

    What do you mean the “people you have in the South”

    Well, for example, I have never seen any of the SF TDs giving a Television interview and I cannot remeber ever having heard any of them give a radio interview.

    Are you telling me you have a thing for Bairbre…….LOL?

    I do find her an attractive woman. So far even offering SF a vote has failed to get me a date!

  • Davros

    organised along the lines that the RUC have hinted at

    Who they ? 😉

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    KeithM,

    If you believe Mc Guinness squirmed then you were watching a different programme than me. Thompson adopted his regular approach when interviewing a Shinner, he regularly cut across Mc Guinness mid sentence. The only problem for him was Mc Guinness did it right back.
    From then on the programme descended into a bit of a slanging match with Thompsion getting a bit surly when challenged on some of the BBCs’ stories. A case of handing it out but…

  • cg

    “So far even offering SF a vote has failed to get me a date!”

    Davros you have issues 😉

    BTW just saw Lets Talk and Mallon was asked about South Armagh being the area with the least TV licenses LOL

    Ard Mhacha dteas abu!

  • ulsterman

    One answer to that. Yes they have.

    Oh happy days, the agreement is dead. As for McGuinness being a great negotiator. What did he negotiate?. He negotiated his position to become a Loyal Minister of the Queen. The Union is secure now more than ever.

    We won.

    The Papists were defeated.

    Oh happy days are here again.

    No surrender,

    No powersharing,

    No compromise ever.

    God Save The Queen.

  • davidbrew

    “Martin is one of our biggest hitter’s and our chief negotiator”

    Surely they delegate the punishment beatings?

    And for an undergraduate not to know how to use an apostrophe!

    tsk tsk

  • cg

    Brewster
    I was responding to Davros and his use of “big hitter” but I was waiting to see who would make a comment and it was you.

    Hardly surprising

    “And for an undergraduate not to know how to use an apostrophe!

    tsk tsk”

    LOL

  • Christopher Stalford

    davidbrew

    “Surely they delegate the punishment beatings?”. Excellent!

    I have to say, I can’t think of any other time when the Sinn Fein PR Machine has collapsed so miserably into failure. Slab and the boys may well have achieved something which Unionists could only dream of – the dismantling of the pan-nationalist front.

    Wel done Gerry!

  • cg

    “Wel done”

    Chris are you speaking Ulster-Scots again?

  • Christopher Stalford

    Ha. Ha. Ha. How does it feel knowing that a bunch of IRA criminals have managed to destroy the pan-nationalist front which John Hume slaved so long to create. Face it Gaskin, you and your party are out on your own and if you don’t divvy up on decomissioning that’s where you will stay.

    No more cost trips to Washington for you my boy!

  • Christopher Stalford

    Ha. Ha. Ha. How does it feel knowing that a bunch of IRA criminals have managed to destroy the pan-nationalist front which John Hume slaved so long to create. Face it Gaskin, you and your party are out on your own and if you don’t divvy up on decomissioning that’s where you will stay.

    No more cosy trips to Washington for you my boy!

  • cg

    Stalford

    “How does it feel knowing that a bunch of IRA criminals have managed to destroy the pan-nationalist front which John Hume slaved so long to create”

    Firstly what pan-nationalist front?

    Secondly I don’t know who done the Northern because I have no evidence, do you have evidence?

    “Face it Gaskin, you and your party are out on your own”

    I know
    Sinn Féin “ourselves alone” 😉

    “No more cosy trips to Washington for you my boy!”

    Firstly please don’t refer to me as “my boy” as I only just ate and don’t wish to be sick.

    I have never been to Washington so how can these non-existent trips stop?

  • Christopher Stalford

    Perhaps you should stop eating, my boy!

    However, perhaps you would tell us why after ten years we are still waiting for decomissioning to be completed?

  • Christopher Stalford

    When I referred to “you”, I meant of course Sinn Fein members, like you.

  • cg

    “Perhaps you should stop eating, my boy!”

    You see that would be silly as I would die.

    “perhaps you would tell us why after ten years we are still waiting for decomissioning to be completed?”

    We are still waiting for the removal of the gun from Irish politics because Unionist’s like you and Dr No tried to turn the situation into an IRA humiliation event.
    No attempt to humiliate an undefeated army will be allowed.

  • Ringo

    Unionist: “Perhaps you should stop eating, my boy!”

    Republican You see that would be silly as I would die.

    surreal.

  • cg

    Ringo
    Our relationship, or lack of, is surreal

  • Ringo

    cg-
    entertaining nonetheless!

  • JD

    Unionist: “Perhaps you should stop eating, my boy!”

    When I read this first, I thought it was a reference to the hunger strike!

  • cg

    If it was its sick.

  • Davros

    Therein lies SF’s only hope …. no matter how bad the mess, some dimwit Loyalist or Unionist will say or do something incredibly stupid and let them off the hook.