Consensus

They CAN agree, even if, as I suspect, it’s mainly because they would rather be the big fish together in our little pond than small fish lost in the European lough.

Sinn Fein and DUP join forces in voting against EU Constitution

  • Henry94

    It would be interesting to have a straw poll of posters on the EU constitution.

    I’ll be voting yes.

  • Davros

    I’ll be voting yes Twice!

  • slackjaw

    Yes.

  • willowfield

    Dear, dear. That should be “consensus”.

    Whoops! Many thanks. A.U.

  • willowfield

    Glad to be of service!

  • cg

    No surprise that I will be voting no 😉

    “I’ll be voting yes Twice!”

    And unionists accuse republicans of “vote early , vote often” 🙂

  • Davros

    And unionists accuse republicans of “vote early , vote often” 🙂

    I’ll be voting twice to be sure, to be sure – ok, lousy joke, but I’m discussing this with the person whose Proxy vote I’ll have 🙂

  • Alan2

    At the present time a definite NO.

  • Ringo

    Ja

  • maca

    Undecided.

  • Christopher Stalford

    No – although for different reasons than those communists in SF/IRA!

  • Fraggle

    Ja sicher!

  • Christopher Stalford

    Or rather, those people who like to think of themselves as communists in SF/IRA.

  • davidbrew

    no nay never niet nein non nej naw nope

  • cg

    Stalford

    “Or rather, those people who like to think of themselves as communists in SF/IRA.”

    LOL

  • PS

    I could be convinced either way. When is the referendum likely to be? Like most political documents I see things I like and other things i’m not so sure about.

  • Henry94

    Christopher

    How could you think you were a communist and not be one?

  • Christopher Stalford

    Henry

    You can kid yourself into believing you are a true communist/socialist, by, I dunno, paying visits to Fidel Castro. When in reality your party aspires to something resembling a vlok-ish nationalism that would make Marx and Engels vomit.

  • PS

    I think members of SF know more about what our party aspires to than you do, Mr Stalford. Neither do i believe that SF is a communist party. It is a party of democratic socialists.

  • IJP

    It is a party of democratic socialists.

    No, it quite clearly has no interest in democracy.

    Mr Stalford is alarmingly close to the truth, in fact.

  • PS

    With all due respect IJP, I know a lot more about SF and what it stands for than either you or Mr. Stalford.

  • Christopher Stalford

    PS

    Why?

  • PS

    Because I’m a member.

  • Henry94

    PS

    Or do you just think you are?

  • Christopher Stalford

    “Religion is the opium of the people” – Marx

    Why then do SF/IRA classify everyone according to their religion? “Catholic communities are being discrimnated against bla bla bla” “Unionists don’t want a catholic about the place bla bla bla”?

  • Christopher Stalford

    “Because I’m a member.”

    You certainly are.

  • IJP

    PS

    Sorry, if you think you are a member of a pro-democratic party you need to look up ‘democracy’.

    For example, a link to a terrorist organization is anti-democratic.

    A better line would be to query whether other NI parties are truly ‘democratic’…

  • Henry94

    Christopher

    Nice one. First accuse them of being communists. Then claim they are not really communists as you claimed. Then try to prove yourself wrong.

  • Christopher Stalford

    Henry/Councillor O’Spin.

    My refernce to communists, and Sinn Fein claiming to be a genuinely socialist party when in fact they are not relates to a discussion which took place on another thread. The refernce to “those who think they are…” was designed specifically to bait Mr. Gaskin, he didn’t take the bait, but I’m pleased to see you and PS have!

    Now perhaps you could tell us, what part of supporting a party that places at the centre of its belief system the dominance of the state (in this case the Irish/Catholic/White state) and adheres to the volk-ish definition of Irishness as laid down by the likes of Pervert Pearse, is compatible with the international solidarity of mankind as laid out in The Communist Manifesto?

    And no, selling a few raffle tickets in The Felons Club for the Colombia Three does not equate to an international solidarity movement.

  • George

    I believe Marx once pointed out that a true communist has to tell everyone they are a communist otherwise they cannot consider themselves as one.

    I have never heard anyone in Sinn Fein say they are communist, ergo they aren’t.

    I’ll be voting yes or abstaining.

  • Christopher Stalford

    George.

    Ok. Are SF truly socialist, in the sense laid out by Marx and Engels?

  • George

    You really are a whizz Christopher. As for “pervert Pearse”, that just says it all about your ability to understand poetry. You probably would have put a bullet in William Blake’s head too I suppose.

    Thank God you didn’t have the linguistic capacity to read it in the Irish language or you would have been really horrified. The English translation is tamer.

    Pity you still appear to have the sexually repressed Puritan gene in you, even 100 years after so many great writers worked to move away from “children should be seen and not heard” to an idealisation of innocence.

    Was Lewis Carroll a paedophile? Sir James Barrie?
    Arthur Ransome? Kenneth Grahame? Captain W. E. Johns? A. A. Milne?

    There are those who consider all these people to be “perverts” while others considered their works a doting idealisation of the innocence of childhood.

    It’s even more “perverse” but then again showing affection to children, even in poetry, is paedophilia in your view. Try not to have any if that’s the case would be my advice. You certainly won’t have many books to read them apart from the bible I suppose where you can tell them homosexuality is a sin.

    P.S. no academic I have ever read considered Pearse to be a paedophile. What basis do you have for making this absurd claim other than prejudice and the knowledge he isn’t alive to sue you.

    “(in this case the Irish/Catholic/White state)”

    You’re a bit behind on the condition of the Irish state. It is the only part of this island where the Protestant population is rising and the Catholic one is dropping.

    It is also the only part of this island which actually welcomes immigrants as evidenced by the fact that the numbers coming here in the last year alone surpasses the entire non-EU population for the whole of Northern Ireland.
    That includes Americans, Australians etc.

  • Henry94

    CS

    You’re gas. But I’m not a Councillor.

  • cg

    Stalford

    “The refernce to “those who think they are…” was designed specifically to bait Mr. Gaskin, he didn’t take the bait, but I’m pleased to see you and PS have!”

    I must say I do feel special that you would try and bait me into a conversation. I understand our friendship means a lot to you 😉

    I didn’t engage in the bait because I never claimed to be a communist, I am a Socialist Republican.
    I have never claimed to be a “Democrat” because the word means nothing. Plenty of people have claimed to be democrats but then deny the will of a people and the mandate of other political parties. Hypocrisy at its height.

    Christopher you seem to know a lot about my party’s policy but have you ever actually examined our policy documents?

    “dominance of the state (in this case the Irish/Catholic/White state)”

    This last statement proves you know jack shit about our policies.

    “International solidarity”

    LOL, a dupper trying to explain international solidarity? Ha Ha, Chris you are lost on politics stick to the comedy.
    I’ll try and get you a gig at the union.

  • Christopher Stalford

    George.

    Alright, the Pearse thing was just designed to annoy – glad to see it worked! Although I don’t think the poem in question is necessarily the “idealisation” of childhood that you claim it to be.

    “You’re a bit behind on the condition of the Irish state.”

    No I’m not. Those who continue to flog a nineteenth-cetury notion of statehood, based on exclusive nationalistic characteristics are.

    Gaskin

    “I have never claimed to be a “Democrat” because the word means nothing.”

    It means of the people.

    “This last statement proves you know jack shit about our policies.”

    Really? This from the same man who defended the ideological viewpoint of Patrick Pearse, an extreme volk-ish nationalist as compatible with the principles of socialism?

    Given that you clearly know so uch more about Socialism than me, perhaps you would care to explain what is meant by the term international solidarity, rather than engaging in pathetic diversionary tactics.

    BTW, I’ve read more books about your party than you have!

    One final question: have you actually read The Comunist Manifesto?

  • Christopher Stalford

    Communist, not Comunist – sorry.

  • George

    Christopher,
    no bother about Pearse, annoying is half the fun.

    “No I’m not. Those who continue to flog a nineteenth-cetury notion of statehood, based on exclusive nationalistic characteristics are.”

    They don’t run the Irish state and never have although I do believe you are trying your best to get them to help run yours to move it away from its 19th century Imperial colony modus operandi.

  • PS

    Now perhaps you could tell us, what part of supporting a party that places at the centre of its belief system the dominance of the state (in this case the Irish/Catholic/White state) and adheres to the volk-ish definition of Irishness as laid down by the likes of Pervert Pearse, is compatible with the international solidarity of mankind as laid out in The Communist Manifesto?

    Sinn Féin advocates neither of those things. A state based on “white catholicism” is aginst everything SF stand for. Neither are they are communist party.

  • cg

    Stalford

    “BTW, I’ve read more books about your party than you have!”

    You may have but their is a clear distinction you fail to grasp, I am a MEMBER of Sinn Féin; I asked to join and know exactly my party policy.

    “It means of the people.”

    When people like you use the phrase “democrats” it means nothing because you insult the other half of the “people” by trying to deny their majority party the mandate they received.
    I don’t use the term democrat because this is a divided society and I could never act or speak for the “people”.

    Christopher you may read a lot but your experience of life seems limited.

    “defended the ideological viewpoint of Patrick Pearse, an extreme volk-ish nationalist as compatible with the principles of socialism?”

    I never described his viewpoints as compatible with socialism. I defended the unfair attacks on the man.

    I said that I believe blood sacrifice the highest sacrifice a man/woman can make but I didn’t advocate blood sacrifice as a means of struggle.

    I gave MY opinion’s not that of Sinn Féin.

    In Sinn Féin people are entitled to their own opinions unlike the DUP where you all seem like ideological sheep.

  • Davros

    I asked to join and know exactly my party policy.

    That’s a bold statement that may come back to haunt you LOL

  • cg

    I know 😉

  • Davros

    What mixer would you use with Poitin, not that you would breal the law?

  • cg

    I don’t use a mixer with poitin, you aren’t supposed to as water purafies it;)

  • Davros

    Damn, another trap evaded LOL

  • cg

    What was the point of the trap in the first place? 😉

  • Davros

    Just a bit of fun 🙂

  • cg

    you will never learn 😉

  • Davros

    Old dog, new tricks!