EU constitution debate

DUP MEP Jim Allister has a few words to say as the proposed constitution is put to a vote in Strasbourg today.

Update – The EU parliament has backed the proposed constitution with 500 deputies voting for, 137 against and 40 abstaining.

You can also read the DUP press release here.

  • Davros

    Excellent news. The EU is our best hope of ending this conflict between Unionism and Narionalism.

  • Alan2

    Just so long as it is a group of trading nations rather than a full blown superstate….

  • smcgiff

    It’s grown far from being just a group of trading nations and is currently miles away from being a superstate.

    But NI is already in, if not a superstate, a confederation of sorts – The UK. Straight Banana jokes aside, do you think the a pan-European government could do worse than the current situation?

    TNDWWW2AANGTHBN.

  • Henry94

    Davros

    The interesting question is how will pro-EU unionists react if Britain becomes a semi-detached EU member (no euro, rejects the constitution)

    Could they contemplate the EU ending the conflict between unionism and nationalism in an all-Ireland euro context.

  • Occasional Commenter

    Davros said:

    > The EU is our best hope of ending this conflict
    > between Unionism and Nationalism

    Ah yes, they will be united in the EU civil war. Better not decommission any arms, we (UK+Ireland) need a militia to defend ourselves from the EU.

  • smcgiff

    ‘Ah yes, they will be united in the EU civil war. Better not decommission any arms, we (UK+Ireland) need a militia to defend ourselves from the EU.’

    Occasional commenter, he? Thank God for small mercies.

  • Davros

    Henry- I would rather have NI in a European State which includes what is presently the ROI than have NI part of a UK that is an associate member rather than a full member of the EU.

    Another way of looking at this – it will be easier to get rid of the border via the EU ( if getting rid of the border is the primary goal ) than it will be for the ROI to assume what we would see as sovereignty “over ” us …and I know that many of you would argue that it’s not sovreignty over us that you want, but it’s how we see it.

  • Alan2

    Until the EU becomes more accountable and democratic I cannot fully support it.

    However it does hold the possibility of bridging the divide by having represetatives from all over the UK & Ireland in a European Parliament with the NI parties actually having as much say as everyone else as they can affiliate with the various factions (ie at the moment we cannot vote for the British Labour Party even if we wanted to and so to a large degree have no say in the running of the UK government)

  • Davros

    I agree Alan, it’s still in a transitional stage at the moment. When it’s up and running as a Republic it will be accountable and democratic.

  • Alan2

    That also raises the thorny issue of the various remnants of Monarchy within Europe ad of course a superstate and a President along the lines of the US or some such.

  • Davros

    The various Royal familes have a cultural and historical value, so like the appendix in the human body, they can be regarded as vestigial remnants.
    If they become problematic then they will lose out.

  • Alan2

    I see UUP MEP Jim Nicholson and DUP MEP Jim Allister rounded on Sinn Fein MEP Barbre De Brun, raising the issue of the Northern Bank robbery and terrorist affiliated parties being represented in government.

  • Keith M

    Henry94 “how will pro-EU unionists react if Britain becomes a semi-detached EU member (no euro, rejects the constitution)”. Given that the constitution falls if any country rejects it that point is academic (and there’s every possibility that the UK would not be alone in rejecting the consitution). As for the Euro, the majority of EU members are not in the Euro, so another red herring.

  • Fraggle

    Keith, he said “IF”. The question is a valid one.

  • Davros

    Where do you stand on the EU Fraggle ?

  • Fraggle

    I’m all for it.