Blair still the 'Naïve Idiot'?

Thomas Hardy believes that Sinn Fein has treated most of its opponents with contempt, Tony Blair amongst them, in the certainty that they would not be excluded from the peace process.

  • TroubledTimes

    Who cares what Tony Blair thinks. The only people Sinn Fein has treated with contempt is the people who have voted for them.
    They are the party of false aspirations.
    The men who smile at your doorstep and ask for your vote have been involved and still are in some of the most horrendous acts against the people of Ireland. They continue to this day to harass their fellow Nationalist colleagues in the SDLP but unfortunately the people cant see this.
    I just hope someday the people of Ireland will understand the true Sinn Fein and what they actually do.

  • The Devil

    Alex off to bed with you,

    If I may borrow a Moorish quotation, Don’t weep as a woman for something you could not defend as a man.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘The only people Sinn Fein has treated with contempt is the people who have voted for them.’

    The people who vote for them in increasing numbers don’t think so.

    I just hope someday the people of Ireland will understand the true Sinn Fein and what they actually do.

    LOL.

  • cg

    Troubled Times

    “They continue to this day to harass their fellow Nationalist colleagues in the SDLP”

    Firstly with some members of the sdlp the title “fellow nationalist” is being liberal with the truth.

    Secondly what proof do you have of Sinn Féin members harassing sdlp members and what would be the point of harassing sdlp members, the sdlp are an irrelevance.

  • Davros

    what would be the point of harassing sdlp members, the sdlp are an irrelevance.

    Their presence on policing boards rather damages claims that the PSNI are totally unacceptable to nationalists, so in that sense they aren’t an irrelevence ?

  • cg

    Davros
    The sdlp no longer speaks for nationalism as a whole in the six counties, Sinn Féin does.

    The policing board is not supported by the vast majority of Nationalism. Even members of the sdlp are unhappy with their position on policing. To that end they are an irrelevance. The two governments didn’t even consider them in the previous negotiations.

  • Davros

    The sdlp no longer speaks for nationalism as a whole in the six counties, Sinn Féin does.

    That’s an understandable but dangerous attitude cg.

  • cg

    Davros
    How is it dangerous when it’s the truth?

  • Davros

    If Sf want’s people to respect it’s mandate it should respect it’s opponents’ mandate – including even the stoops 🙂

    Even if SDLP lose all their seats next election there will still have been nationalists who voted for them and their aspirations should still be considered. It’s one of the features of the British and Irish approach since the 1980’s – make things simple, reduce it to a bicultural model, one is either in the Orange or Green corner , and there’s only to be one Orange and One Green voice to be heard. It’s like a knock-out competition.

  • cg

    Correct Davros

    The British did it in the 1920’s with Sinn Féin and the Irish party.

    I accept what you say about the sdlp and I do respect their mandate but they go on as if they still speak for the nationalist community and that is wrong, there are reasons Sinn Féin are the majority nationalist party and support for the psni isn’t one of them.

  • TroubledTimes

    Cg has interesting comments to make. Believe it or not you share “exactly” the same viewpoint as Adolph Hitler’s Nazi party. One voice only for the people, a dictatorship with an army behind it. Also Cg the facts are always hard to prove arent they?
    Sinn Fein and the IRA are great lads, sure they wouldnt harm a fly, just like Hitler was a great lad too and the Germans never thought they would harm a fly either.
    The “Dissidents” only attack the SDLP, is that what you think CG? If you do, you are not living in the real world my friend. Maybe you should go and ask about facts to your old friends in the 32 County Sovereignty Committee/Real IRA. They may tell you an interesting fact or two. After all, they are very similar in their approach to politics to Sinn Fein.

  • cg

    Troubled Times

    I always find it amusing/sad that certain bloggers don’t challenge my arguments but allege I am a Nazi. It’s more indicative of your inept attempts at cohesive arguments than mine.

    “One voice only for the people, a dictatorship with an army behind it2

    I never advocated one voice but reported the fact that Sinn Féin speak for the majority of nationalism.
    I actually support the establishment of a broad left wing consensus, made up of different view points. That said don’t let a simple thing like facts stop your diatribe.

    “The “Dissidents” only attack the SDLP, is that what you think CG? If you do, you are not living in the real world my friend”

    You mentioned dissidents, not me. If you could just provide a little thing called proof of Sinn Féin members attacking sdlp members.
    Silly me you don’t have any.

    “your old friends in the 32 County Sovereignty Committee/Real IRA”

    Again If you would just provide proof of my friendship with people of either organisation.

    If truth be told I know a few dissidents but it’s certainly not friendship but more of a hate/hate relationship.

    You really come across as stupid when you accuse me of things you know nothing about.

  • Alan

    *I actually support the establishment of a broad left wing consensus, made up of different view points.*

    CG, tell me what this means to you. Would it include left wing unionists, for instance? Your posts on other threads show a considerable confusion over the meaning of left wing and of nationlism/republicanism. Indeed, you tend conflate the two.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    The sdlp no longer speaks for nationalism as a whole in the six counties, Sinn Féin does.

    The views of the minority nationalist party are irrelevant and can be ignored. I love it – brings me right back to the good old Stormont days.

    Isn’t it funny again how the worm turns. Five or six years ago SF were still very much the minority nationalist party. But attempts by people to ignore them and deal with the SDLP were met with stiff opposition. Double standards ?

  • cg

    Alan

    “Would it include left wing unionists”

    Absolutely

    “confusion over the meaning of left wing and of nationlism/republicanism. Indeed, you tend conflate the two.”

    I take my politics from Connolly

    “Socialism and republicanism are not antagonistic but complementary”
    James Connolly
    ………………………………………….
    Roger

    “The views of the minority nationalist party are irrelevant and can be ignored”

    I never said their views are irrelevant but the party, quite different. I also never suggested they should be ignored but accept the fact they no longer speak for nationalism as a whole. I respect every party’s mandate.

  • davidbrew

    mick
    who cares what Thomas Hardy thinks of NI politics. “Tess of the Baskervilles” was rubbish and “Far from the madding crowd” ( the story of Jeffrey’s defection from the UUP?) was turgid.

    Whatever next -T S Eliot says Trimble must go?

  • davidbrew

    …although to be fair I enjoyed “Fred the Obscure” about the tortured life of a N Belfast Assemblyman