Sometimes a single quote is enough

Global catastrophes are now almost a monthly occurrence – Martin McGuinness, Sinn Fein MP. Sheesh.. it’s a wonder we’re still here.

  • smcgiff

    Global Warming is as connected to Earthquakes as KeithM is to reality.

  • peteb

    smgiff

    I really don’t want to have to watch this thread for man-not-ball comments as well.

    There’s no need for having a go at KeithM here.

  • smcgiff

    Apologies, Petb

  • Belfast Gonzo

    I was thinking that myself. Seems a strange statement to make, given that the flood was caused by a natural disaster, not as a result of man’s contribution to global warming.

    The two are unrelated, yet – even though McGuinness acknowledges this – he continues to speak about environmental problems.

    Weird.

  • peteb

    It’s weirder still, Gonzo, if you consider how many Global catastrophes Martin must think have taken place over the past year.

  • Alan

    *The two are unrelated, yet – even though McGuinness acknowledges this – he continues to speak about environmental problems.*

    Actually his acknowledgement looks rather more like a sub-editors inclusion.

  • Alan2

    I think figures actually show that the number of Earth quakes has dramatically increased every decade this century.

    No doubt due to better recording but still…..

  • Fraggle

    go easy on Martin, he didn’t get to go to a grammar school.

  • peteb

    yes, Fraggle, but, despite that, he still put out the statement πŸ˜‰

  • Beowulf

    I’m changing my prediction about the Northern Bank job. Whereas before I said Republicans wouldn’t be that stupid I now see they’re on a par with loyalists.

  • Fraggle

    actually, just yesterday someone who is a few months away from completing a PhD told me that it was the global warming that caused the tsunami. I was polite and didn’t comment.

  • peteb

    I’m trying to figure out what qualifies as a “Global catastrophe” in Martin’s book as well, Fraggle. Seemingly we’ve had 12 in the last year?

  • Davros

    I’m trying to figure out what qualifies as a “Global catastrophe” in Martin’s book as well, Fraggle.

    SF’s world was rocked by events in Colombia , there’s one.

  • smcgiff

    He may be alluding to the abnormally high hurricanes that hit the US or indeed the failure to conclude a power sharing deal.

    Maybe weΒ’ve underestimated the former Education Minister, perhaps he meant global in a more cerebral sense. As Kavanagh suggested, which was more important Β– the Munich bother or the local fight over Β‘half a rood of rockΒ’?

    Considering his other shaky (pardon the pun) argument in the piece I somehow doubt it.

  • smcgiff

    Aheh, ‘abnormally high number of hurricanes’

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Apparently Martin thinks global catastrophes are like buses, you stand around for ages waiting for one and then….

  • Donnie

    I was sure someone would blame SF for the tsunami. Sammy Wilson has confirmed that the PSNI are following a definite line of inquiry that the IRA planted a bomb on the plate boundary.

  • peteb

    Can’t have been SF, Donnie – Martin McGuinness has already blamed global warming. πŸ˜‰

  • Donnie

    Yes and as we know global warming is exacerbated by all those 11th Night bonies…….

  • Congal Claen

    Hi SmcGiff,

    “abnormally high number of hurricanes”

    Relatively speaking there haven’t been many hurricanes over the last few decades. The highest frequency and most destructive hurricanes were during the 1890s. It’s just another of the green myths surrounding manmade global warming. Which, in my opinion, is a load of ballix…

  • Ringo

    Congal Claen –
    global warming. Which, in my opinion, is a load of ballix…

    Good for you. Shame that of the 928 scientific papers published on the issue last year exactly zero (0) agree with you.

  • smcgiff

    ‘Shame that of the 928 scientific papers published on the issue last year exactly zero (0) agree with you.’

    Shameless what scientists will do to get grant money for research! Lucky no scientists came out to say every computer in the planet would stop working at the stroke of midnight 2000! πŸ˜‰

    With that said, they’re has to be something in the global warming thing, IMHO.

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Ringo/SmcGiff,

    Well, check this out…

    http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/s2005.htm

    In my opinion although we don’t fully understand how Milankovitch Cycles affect global climate I reckon it’s alot more probable than the amount of CO2 in the air. After all there are much more potent greenhouse gases… eg. water – which can be clearly demonstrated when you think about clear nights being cold and cloudly nights being warm (in general) regardless of the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

  • smcgiff

    ‘which can be clearly demonstrated when you think about clear nights being cold and cloudly nights being warm (in general) regardless of the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.’

    Damn H2O! Damn you to hell!!!!!!!!!!

  • peteb

    Damn H2O! Damn you to hell!!!!!!!!!!

    That’s the basis of Martin’s next statement, smcgiff πŸ™‚

  • Ringo

    Congal Claen

    Don’t swallow that Bush Admin bullshit. Read what scientists think not politicians. Peer reviewed scientific papers should not be compared to documents used to support policy.

    It is the exact same line of thinking that had parents in a tizzy for no reason regarding the MMR/Autism link. Overwhelming evidence tainted by someone with a hidden agenda.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Speaking of catastrophes and other earthly phenomena I wonder what is Martins’ view on the Northern lights, I believe they were still switched on.

  • George

    Northern Lights. Now you’re talking although I doubt if Martin partakes.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Pat – LOL!

    Any other jokes out there yet about the Northern job?

  • George

    Ronaldinho is to sign for Crossmaglen Rangers in the transfer window.

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Ringo,

    “Don’t swallow that Bush Admin bullshit. Read what scientists think not politicians. Peer reviewed scientific papers should not be compared to documents used to support policy.”

    Cheers, but I already do. It may surprise you that loads of scientists agree with me. You should check out the graphs of sunspot activity from our very own Armagh Observatory and compare those with temp. Much better fit. And to me, much more likely.

    BTW, anything wrong with the facts on the link reporting the frequency or severity of hurricanes over the last 150 years?

    Hi Pat,

    “Northern lights, I believe they were still switched on”

    Like it…

  • Ringo

    Congal Claen –
    loads of scientists agree with me

    Not being smart, but do you have any expertise or experience in this area? I’m interested to know because I have a limited background in this – my primary degree is a BSc. in Earth Science which included Meterology.

  • peteb

    You’ve got an ‘-ology’, Ringo!?! πŸ˜‰

  • Ringo

    I do an ap-ology for a qualification! πŸ˜‰

  • Donnie

    There have been loads of concrete scientific theories in the past which have turned out to be a load of auld shite! Apparently 1 in 8 US geologists still refuse to believe in Plate Tectonics….

    I think the scientists are broadly in agreement that there is global warming but disagree about the causes, is it manmade or part of the climatic glacial/inter-glacial cycle.

    I have an ology (and an ap-ology)too!

  • peteb

    Meanwhile, Martin McGuinness clearly doesn’t have an ‘ology’ – or he wouldn’t be blaming global warming for the tsunami.

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Ringo,

    “any expertise or experience in this area?”

    I’ve a BSc in Physics which included some astro. However, from first form physics I know that water expands when heated (apart from between -4 and +4C). Therefore, if there’s rapid global warming I’d have expected a rapid rise in sea level. I haven’t noticed any…

  • Davros

    Science is bollix. Scientists used to tell us that the earth was flat and that the Sun Cirled the earth.

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Ringo,

    Couple of sites for you, written by “scientists”…

    http://www.climateark.org/articles/2001/4th/scsayssi.htm

    http://www.envirotruth.org/myth6.cfm

  • Ringo

    Greetings, fellow egghead boffins. Ignore that Davros and his dark-ages vibes.

    Congal Claen –
    That http://www.envirotruth.org site is not a scientific site – its political. Brought to you courtesy of National Center for Public Policy Research. Who’s other two sites have to do with Russia
    Russia on Trial
    Future of Russia

    Who are also affiliated to townhall.com -“conservative news and information”. Featuring some brilliant openminded analysis by the likes of Ann Coulter “Liberals love America like OJ loved Nicole”

    The other one looks far more credible but I suspect that you’d it difficult to support your argument without being very selective on a site ‘dedicated to promoting public policy that addresses global climate change through reductions in carbon dioxide and other emissions, renewable energy, energy conservation and ending deforestation.’

  • Donnie

    Just read ‘A Brief History of Everything’ by Bill Bryson to see that if there is one thing scientists are consistently good at is getting things wrong but refusing to accept alternative opinions/facts!

  • Davros

    I’m hurt Ringo πŸ™‚

  • smcgiff

    I’m surprised at you, Davros,

    Not like you to miss an opportunity to bring up the RC church’s shady pass. πŸ˜‰

    Surely you mean to say that the RC church wouldn’t allow scientists to tell us that the earth wasn’t flat and that the Sun doesn’t circled the earth.

  • George

    Davros,
    I’m with smcgiff.
    I think you’ll find it was the scientists you told the disbelieving world otherwise.

    Do you believe in evolution by the way?

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Ringo,

    “That http://www.envirotruth.org site is not a scientific site – its political”

    Well, the guy who wrote the article has a PhD and is Professor Emeritus of environmental science at the University of Virginia. Is he not a scientist? What sites aren’t political in some shape or form? Greenpeace? Instead of just rubbishing the article because of where it came from why not point out which parts of the article are wrong?

  • Davros

    Ahem – I was referring to the scientists BEFORE Gallileo etc.

    Seriously – ‘Scientists’ at one point were telling us that it was ‘proven’ dangerous to eat more than 3 eggs a week.Different scientists now say it’s proven that it’s not dangerous to eat more than 3 eggs a week. A few years ago scientists were telling us that this part of the world was going to be a desert, Now they say it’s going to be under water.
    And as someone who worked with various scientists – I’ll let you in on a secret. Scientists CHEAT. They fiddle figures. They select data, they prune . So, don’t trust them. Ever.

  • Ringo

    Congal Claen –
    Well, the guy who wrote the article has a PhD and is Professor Emeritus of environmental science at the University of Virginia. Is he not a scientist? What sites aren’t political in some shape or form?

    I’ll put it another way. If the Professor Emeritus of environmental science at the University of Virginia found that the results of his research leaned heavily towards conventional scientific thinking on Global warming – i.e., human activity plays a part – do you think http://www.envirotruth.org would have him on their nice site?

    About as likely as the professor of Russian Studies getting his piece tilted ‘You the Man, Putin!’ published on either of their sister sites.

    I would consider any of the main scientific publications such as Nature, New Scientist or even National Geographic to be apolitical.

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Ringo,

    So, anything wrong with what he says?

  • Donnie

    I don’t think anyone is sticking their neck out by saying there is global warming occurring. I’ll sit on the fence and say that change is both athropogenic and natural cyclical climate change.

  • Ringo

    Congal Claen –
    Here’s a little background to the prof:
    In a February 2001 letter to the Washington Post, Singer denied having received money from the oil industry. SEPP (of which he’s the president) however, has received multiple contributions from ExxonMobil. In addition, Singer’s current CV on the SEPP website states that he served as a consultant to several oil companies.

    Taken from an equally apolitical site

    And as for challenging what he says –
    http://naturalscience.com/ns/letters/ns_let06.html

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Ringo,

    I noticed the letter was about satellite temperatures, not alledged sea level rise. Are you not going to challenge the sea levels?

    On the satellite temp argument, check out p8/9 of
    http://www.lyon.edu/projects/marsbugs/1997/19970318.pdf
    If there are 3 means to measure the same thing and 2 agree I know which measurement I’d rely on.

  • Donnie

    This could go on for some time. The “experts” can’t agree on this matter so both of you non-experts could go on for some time trying to convince each other and possibly yourselves!

    It’s just a matter of who/what you believe. Personally I wouldn’t believe very much a scientist tells me as IMO they are egomaniacs and make stuff up to get in the public eye.

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Donnie,

    Tentatively agree with you.

    In the meantime I’m certainly not going to stop heating my house or travelling by means other than horse or foot over an issue that is at the very least debatable…

  • Ringo

    G’man Donnie,

    Fully agree with the first paragraph.

    Personally I wouldn’t believe very much a scientist tells me as IMO they are egomaniacs and make stuff up to get in the public eye

    I think that if you are an egomanic with a craving for the public eye becoming a scientist is a pretty poor career choice. Who would you believe – a)politican b)media c)lobbyist for energy industry d)scientist –
    considering these are the main players in this debate?

    There is intense rivalry bordering on the ridiculous between scientists but no more than any other academics. Crucially – unlike the other players they have a vested interest in the means not the result.

    Finally, The “experts” can’t agree on this matter – on the broad statement that human activity, they can. It is only the few that don’t, just like there are a handful that don’t accept the theory of evolution or the MMR scandal. Once the black arts of PR in the political and business worlds get their hands on the views of a dissenter the lie is repeated often enough through inappropriate channels to gain credence.

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Ringo,

    “It is only the few that don’t, just like there are a handful that don’t accept the theory of evolution or the MMR scandal.”

    Just because it’s a minority view doesn’t mean it’s wrong. For instance, when Einstein first published his theory of relativity it wasn’t accepted by the majority of scientists.

  • Donnie

    What is the craic with MMR anyway? Safe or not as my son will be getting his in about 10 months?

  • Ringo

    Congal Claen –

    By definition every time someone comes up with a new concept/idea they are a minority of one. It all depends on how the debate travels from there.

    Anyway I’ll be travelling to work not by horse or foot but by boat if it keeps pissing like it has in the past week and the turloch in the field behind the house gets any bigger! And I’ll blame you. ; )

  • Congal Claen

    Hi Ringo,

    Fair enough…