Unionism should step up a gear.

Dr John Coulter’s latest offering in the Blanket, Unionism in the Dáil argues that Northern Unionists should contest seats in the Dáil and demand representation in the Seanad.A wide ranging article, it looks at what some still see as Northern betrayal of Southern Unionists and discusses various options, past and present, most worrying being the possibility of modern loyalists repeating acts of savagery seen 30 years ago in the Dublin and Monaghan massacres.

  • unionist_observer

    lucozade goes tolerably well with vodka but I’m not sure about gin – it sounds fairly nasty!

  • unionist_observer

    David Brew

    I’m flattered by your confidence in my sources of intelligence inside the UUP, but I have no idea what you are talking about. I think I could make a shrewd guess at whom your having a dig, but I don’t think he was ever supposed to be the candidate for south down – go and clutch at straws elsewhere!!

  • willowfield

    Davros

    In that case why are people complaining about the possibility of Unionists having input into the Dáil and Seanad ?

    I’m complaining about the offensive and irredentist step of opening up the Southern parliament to representation from NI, and the DUP’s acquiescence.

  • Davros

    Is it representation or merely feedback ? I would be in favour of some form of Parliament of the Isles.

  • davidbrew

    I’m complaining about the offensive and irredentist step of opening up the Southern parliament to representation from NI, and the DUP’s acquiescence.

    one little “s” makes all the difference willow-the Dail will receive representationS from NI, not representation i.e. members. It’s even less of a pooling of sovereignty than the existing British -Irish Parliamentary Committee, which can jointly endorse reports.

    Yes it’s irritating, like much of official Ireland’s constitution and ethos, but you obviously know that it’s not remotely significant in constitutional terms. Time to put this one to bed don’t you think? No one really cares about it within Unionism except of course the desperate Sir Reg and pals trying to play catch up.

    Rebecca-perhaps your friend-let’s call him “Peter” will confirm that the supposed selection meeting scheduled to be held at the weekend was postponed because there was no brave man/woman prepared to bear the standard of Ulster Unionism in Enoch’s old constituency, even though it had been expected by some that a prominent
    Young Unionist was prepared to submit his name.

    Hey-this might be Dermot’s chance for a comeback. I mean, if he can only explain to his association and voters why he went on a failed chicken run to Strangford, he’s a shoo in for the honour of coming 4th on home ground!

    Davros
    I am appalled sir. You posture as a professional gentleman on this blog-albeit one prone to inserting his arm up cow’s behinds (possibly you wnet to Portora?), yet now you boast of adulterating gin with lucozade!!!! Shame on you sir. What next- irn bru and Bruichladdich?

  • Ringo

    David Brew –
    Yes it’s irritating, like much of official Ireland’s constitution and ethos, but you obviously know that it’s not remotely significant in constitutional terms

    You think it is irritating? Imagine how irritating it is to us down south to have to invite your representatives – who obviously share your distain and contempt for our ‘constitution and ethos’ and parliment no doubt. It is like having to invite some boorish stuck-up relative for Christmas dinner – the only upside is knowing that they are too far up their own arse to even contemplate accepting.

    Unfortuantely, no such luck with Gerry and his mates – who’ll be down to do a bit of pontificating and give some free and rather dubious history lessons as part of a party political broadcast, no doubt.

    This was a sop to republicans in the same way as the release of the McCabe killers was – and it was done to grease the wheels for a deal between yourselves and Sinn Fein. The Republic has absolutely nothing to gain politically from this – the DUP does.

    As fair_deal says above – and it is accurate from my understanding too
    From what I have read of Bertie Ahern’s comments in the Dail the actual proposals are highly restrictive and judging by the comments of the other parties in the Dail the proposals will be watered down further.

    Why exactly would the proposals be restricted and watered down by the Dáil if it was seen as beneficial to us?

    And Willowfield – I’ve made this point before – it is not an irredentist move- this move undermines our sovereignty more than that of your country – and it was never brought to the table by Bertie, but by Sinn Fein. As I said before – it is one thing having Mary McAleese in the Aras because we elected her, it is completely different having Gerry in the Dáil.

    If the deal involved TD’s having speaking rights in the Assembly I think you’d also call that as an irredentist move. And that is the situation we are in.

    I know that this line of thought won’t carry much weight in a UUP/DUP skirmish – getting the DUP to think of the poor people down south who are being undermined isn’t really going to go very far, but thats much closer to the facts.

  • Davros

    David you msy mock, but there are advantages at this time of the year! Anyhow, modern vets are cissies. They use rubber gloves. Way back you could always spot the vet in Springtime when the cows first went out – one hand was green. Portora ? How dare you!
    Portadown College followed by the Old Grey Mother.
    Let me guess – you went to Campbell ?

  • Congal Claen

    I’ve argued, and I’ve noted other Unionists argue the same point, that it is as logical to argue for a United British Isles as it is to argue for a UI. Therefore, I’m a bit confused as to why we’re not all agreeing with the main thrust of the article.

    We should be arguing for the reunification of Ireland within the UK as we have so many shared interests. The RoI is very Pro Euro with nowhere near the same links to Europe. A British UI is going to happen eventually. Maybe not tomorrow or next year. But eventually it will happen. Or to put it another way “Our day will come”.

  • davidbrew

    Dav-

    Limavady Grammar School where men were men and sheep were frightened. Speak not of Campbell or such effete places to me-pah!

  • Davros

    Would anybody own up to having attended Campbell ? LOL. My abiding memory of RSD was waiting for school buses beside the lads of St Pat’s- Fr Faul out red-faced and smiting!

  • unionist_observer

    “perhaps your friend-let’s call him “Peter” will confirm that the supposed selection meeting scheduled to be held at the weekend was postponed because there was no brave man/woman prepared to bear the standard of Ulster Unionism in Enoch’s old constituency, even though it had been expected by some that a prominent
    Young Unionist was prepared to submit his name.

    Hey-this might be Dermot’s chance for a comeback. I mean, if he can only explain to his association and voters why he went on a failed chicken run to Strangford, he’s a shoo in for the honour of coming 4th on home ground! “

    in all seriousness David, you do know a hell of alot more about this than me. I’m out of the loop due to spending most of my time in Dublin and a few other factors, and I hadn’t given the matter of south down much thought, I had just assumed Dermot would run, ah well, we shall see what happens next?

    Besides the young unionist to whom you are referring wouldn’t have the time to run, he already barely has time to scratch his arse as it is.