No devolved policing without DUP approval

As I mentioned the other day, the issue of the devolution of policing powers was, effectively, pushed to the side in the ‘comprehensive’ proposals. Today, in the Newsletter, DUP deputy leader Peter Robinson is more explicit than he was in the Belfast Telegraph article; claiming a DUP veto on the devolution of policing powers.

In an article that is, primarily, a response to criticisms from UUP leader, David Trimble, he states –

The DUP did not even endorse the Government’s date and contented itself by simply saying that it would use its best efforts,” the MP said.

* There can be no devolution, in any circumstances until unionists in the Assembly vote to accept its transfer.

* There can also be no devolution without approval of the DUP First Minister.“[my emphasis]

Time someone started asking both Governments, and those parties who have endorsed the ‘comprehensive’ proposals (or even just the political parts), what exactly has been agreed on policing, if anything?

  • aquifer

    Thats the trouble with no deal, anyone can claim to have vetoed everything. Just go and eat your turkey, losers.

  • peteb

    aquifer

    The first step in the envisaged process of devolving policing powers, according to the published proposals, is an Assembly vote requiring a majority of nationalist-designated MLAs and a majority of unionist-designated MLAs.. that would give the DUP a veto at that stage – whether a DUP First Minister could introduce a later veto, as well, may, however, be debatable.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    It now appears nothing at all has been agreed on policing. Nor should it, the whole area of policing has to be gone through yet again with a fine tooth comb. The majority of nationalists will never accept the PSNI until comprehensive changes are negotiated.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Pat,

    For the benefit of the morons among us could you outline your idea of what those comprehensive changes need to be.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Roger, don’t be so hard on yourself. But anyway, it is clear that the Patten propsals did not go far enough in relation to terrorist conspirators and their sympathisers carrying over from the RUC to the PSNI.
    RUC S Branch personnel who were involved with that gang have no part in a modern policing service. Their murderous collusion is evidence that they have no part in a policing SERVICE.

    As stated on another thread when one sees people like Lowry at a DUP meeting, one has an insight into the mindest ofthese type of people. Give them a handout, their George medal and a nice goodbye. These people have no future.

  • Davros

    Pat- the Government has fulfilled it’s GFA obligations on Patten.

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    I do feel like a bit of a moron because sometimes I feel like I’m the only person in the world who doesn’t understand what “comprehensive changes” to the PSNI are. The question is obviously such a stupid one that no republican will even take the time to explain what they are. I’m glad I didn’t hold my breath waiting for you to clarify the oft-repeated Sinn Fein party line of further fundamental changes being required in the police before it could secure the support of nationalists.

    In time-honoured fashion I don’t see any “comprehensive changes” described there. I just see you complaining because there are some people in the PSNI you don’t like, and you think they should be removed. Without intending to put words in your mouth, does that mean that we can assume that the police service is in fact perfectly acceptable aside from the question of some of it’s members ?

    To your specific point, are you saying that you require that police officers be politically neutral ? That might be a reasonable request, except in the past Sinn Fein have talked of having a community dimension to policing, permitting even individuals convicted of violent offences to play a role in community policing.

  • aquifer

    Sure never mind all that. I heard a good story in the pub tonight about a nineteen year old (from someone who met him socially years later) being despatched by Michael Collins et al and sent on a mission. He was put up in a big house in Fortwilliam Park in Belfast, one with servants, no less.

    Then he went out and shot up a tram.

    It was apparently a good non-sectarian action as the bullets could have hit anyone.

    Would the people in the big house not be guilty of collusion too?

    Seems to me the republican movement are trying to write cheques on a bank they never paid anything into. Merry Christmas.