Election Agents

What IS it about Sinn Féin election workers and agents ? One of the Colombia three was a SF election worker. Aengus O’Snodaigh’s election agent has been jailed. “Last year, Sinn Fein TD Sean Crowe’s election agent was abducted in Dublin and taken to South Armagh where he was tortured, tried by the Provisional IRA and shot in both ankles, for what was described as “freelance fundraising”.” And now another one has been remanded in custody.

Mind you – according to his brief the tapes and recordings don’t prove that the alleged offences were carried out on “behalf of the IRA”.
Risky statement that – free-lancing is dangerous, ask Sean Crowe’s election agent mentioned above, the brief might have made things worse rather than better for Dickie …..

From earlier in the year, Irish News report

A man charged with IRA membership and blackmail at Belfast Magistrates Court yesterday was a Sinn Fein election agent. Richard Ronan O’Donnell (55), of Old Course Road in Downpatrick, was charged with membership of the IRA between September 15 and October 14.

He was also charged with demanding money with menaces, namely £100,000 from ‘Witness A’ – on the same dates.

The court heard that when the charges were put to Mr O’Donnell, he replied: “Not guilty”.

The builder, who is known locally as ‘Dickie’, helped Downpatrick councillor Eamonn McConvey to win a seat on Down District Council in the last local authority election three years ago.

He was also appointed as Mr McConvey’s election agent in his unsuccessful bid for an assembly seat last November.

Speaking last night, Mr McConvey described the accused as a friend.

“Dickie O’Donnell is a well-known and well-respected republican,” he said.

“He is an ex-prisoner, which he has not tried to hide at all – and I believe the truth will come out about these fabricated charges.

“Dickie worked with me on the assembly elections and local government elections and he is a solid Sinn Fein supporter.

“Republicans are against extortion and it is not in Dickie’s nature to do anything like this. This is clearly yet another attempt by securocrats to discredit republicans,” he added.

Reacting to the court appearance, Sinn Fein assembly member for south Down Willie Clarke condemned any “individual or organisation” involved in extortion.

“Sinn Fein have been on the record on many occasions in speaking out against intimidation and extortion,” he said.

“We have been active over many years in south Down and elsewhere in helping members of the business community and others who have fallen victim to this sort of activity.”

  • aquifer

    Its just a question of scale really. Haven’t the IRA tried to extort the 6 counties from the British under threat of more bombs in britain.

  • Weapons Of Crass Instruction

    “And now another one has been remanded in custody”

    Wow, another what?,another Sinn Féiner,another IRA member?.

    Funny, I’ve read and re-read the article and I can’t find the part where they state this.

    Sorry,what’s that you say…what…oh, they’re only allegations. Thank god for that.

    For a fleeting moment there I thought we lived in a society which had the presumption of innocence untill proof of guilt beyond reasonable doubt and where the burden of proof of guilt rested on the prosecution.

  • Davros

    WOCI- what part of “remanded in custody” don’t you understand ? Don’t you find his lawyer’s statement interesting ? To me he seems to be saying that there is proof of extortion but that it doesn’t support the charge that the extortion was on behalf of the IRA… which is what (feeelancing) got Sean Crowe’s election agent harsher treatment than anything the British or Colombian courts have dished out to SF workers 😉

  • Davros

    Wow, another what?,another Sinn Féiner,another IRA member?.

    WOCI – are you denying that Donnelly was Mr McConvey’s election agent ? Are you calling Mr McConvey a liar ? Or are you just squirming as yet another SF party worker is in trouble ?

  • Weapons Of Crass Instruction

    “WOCI – are you denying that Donnelly was Mr McConvey’s election agent ? Are you calling Mr McConvey a liar”?

    No, not at all Dav, if Eamon McConvey says that Dickie O’Donnell was his election agent then that’s good enough for me,

    just as when he says,

    “Republicans are against extortion and it is not in Dickie’s nature to do anything like this. This is clearly yet another attempt by securocrats to discredit republicans”

    Now let me ask you the same question Dav. Are you calling Mr McConvey a liar?

    “WOCI- what part of “remanded in custody” don’t you understand ? Don’t you find his lawyer’s statement interesting ? To me he seems to be saying that there is proof of extortion but that it doesn’t support the charge that the extortion was on behalf of the IRA”

    I understand all parts of remanded in custody thanks but the distinction between being an election agent for Sinn Féin and an alleged IRA extortionist must be elucidated ,ie, McConvey has corroborated that O’Donnell was an election worker but the other allegations have not been proven and regardless of what his brief’s statement says to you that’s exactly what they will remain until proven otherwise – unsubstantiated allegations.

    Funny how you don’t seem to question the scrupulousness of evidence on this thread Dav.

  • Davros

    WOCI – Mr McConvey’s comments remind me of Gerry Adams saying that republicans cannot be criminals- when the evidence of the past few years shows that quite a few ARE criminals 🙂

    Rather than playing silly beggars, why not address the issue – Sinn Féin have a problem with criminality within their ranks.

  • Davros
  • Weapons Of Crass Instruction

    “when the evidence of the past few years shows that quite a few ARE criminals”

    I’ll tell you what Dav, let’s pretend for a minute that you have evidence to back that very general assumption up and then I use the “few bad apples” hypothesis.

    Good enough for “law and order” types to explain away the nefarious deeds of the RUC, UDR and British Army over the decades good enough for Sinn Féin.

    Sauce for the goose anyone?

  • Davros

    The difference between us WOCI is that I’m not trying to excuses for wrongdoers

  • JD

    Davros,

    Are you now saying that the “bad apples” did no wrong?

  • Davros

    You are getting desperate if you are reduced to twisting JD

  • JD

    I’m neither twisting nor getting desperate: this is my first contribution to the thread. I simply asked you if you thought the security force “bad apples” did no wrong.

    WOCI said: I’ll tell you what Dav, let’s pretend for a minute that you have evidence to back that very general assumption up and then I use the “few bad apples” hypothesis.

    Good enough for “law and order” types to explain away the nefarious deeds of the RUC, UDR and British Army over the decades good enough for Sinn Féin.

    Davros said: The difference between us WOCI is that I’m not trying to excuses for wrongdoers

    I merely asked for clarification.

  • Weapons Of Crass Instruction

    Don’t flatter yourself by climbing on the moral superiority high horse Dav. I’m not making excuses for anyone but what I am trying to do is point out the extent of double standards used by people like yourself in different scenarios eg; your cherrypicking of Eamon McConveys’comments to present me with the question “Am I calling him a liar?” yet totally ignoring the same question when I ask it of you in a different context.

    The issue [for me] is not about making excuses it’s about people jumping to conclusions in the absence of verifiable proof and concrete evidence – funnily enough the very same subjects that you have completely ignored on another thread.

  • Davros

    It won’t wash WOCI. Attempts to play dumb – Pretending to be confused about two different articles, clearly linked, and laying down smoke won’t wash :)If you are a SF supporter or member why not say so ?

    JD- Diversionary tactic, easily spotted and best ignored 🙂 An attempt to distract form the business at hand. People question SF’s honesty and democratic credentials. Sean Crowe’s election agent, Aengus O’Snodaigh’s election agent and now McConvery’s election agent.

  • JD

    Not at all intended to be diversionary.

    As WOCI points out, you do tend to be a little more “picky” regarding proof of wrongdoing by certain parties.

    You are also implying that Sinn Fein is a party of wrongdoers, and that anyone who asks for proof before condemning them is making excuses for wrongdoing.

    You’re a clever fella: you also know that by saying that you don’t make excuses for wrongdoers, you are implying that any excuses you do make are for those in the right.

  • Davros

    As the thread is about SF, I’m staying on topic:)
    You two, on the other hand, seem determined to discuss everything and everything EXCEPT Sinn Féin.
    I wonder why ?

  • JD

    I posted above:

    You are also implying that Sinn Fein is a party of wrongdoers, and that anyone who asks for proof before condemning them is making excuses for wrongdoing.

    That’s on the topic of SF and criminality.

    WOCI asked for more proof above. You said that asking for proof constitutes “making excuses” for “wrongdoers.” Is that fair?

    What do you make of WOCI’s suggestion that this can be attributed to the presence of “bad apples” in SF?

  • Davros

    More smoke 🙂

  • JD

    Dodgetastic, Davros.

  • Davros

    I’m not the one dodging the incidence of criminality among SF party workers.:)

  • JD

    Once again, what about WOCI’s “bad apples” argument?

  • Davros

    What about it ? Have Sinn Féin dissiociated themselves from criminals within their ranks ?

    NO.

    In fact they go out of their way to support criminals*… inside and outside of the party.

    So, a reputable party would dissociate themselves.
    You make my point.

    * although it has been claimed that they HAVE to stand up for the McCabe murderers or else they will tell all about a SF bigwig, supposedly head of Munster IRA at time of the robbery.

  • JD

    And that’s the double standard you’ve been called on. You will use the bad apples argument in defense of one group, and will refuse absolutely to allow it in the case of others.

  • Davros

    Nope.

    A number of points…

    1) even if I was using double standards, it doesn’t alter Sinn Féin’s status 🙂

    2) Criticism of other parties is irrelevent to SF’s status

    3) I have’t used the bad apples defence in respect of any other group on this thread- smoke 🙂

    JD, why not come clean ?

  • JD

    Ok, and this is my last post, because it isn’t worth it. I know how you love to have the last word. Have it.

    1) You admit to double standards. Good. We’re getting somewhere. Which leads us to the reason for:

    2) Your singling out SF for criticism without the level of proof that you demand in other threads. Which relates directly to:

    3) Since WOCI brought it up, why would the “bad apples” argument be irrelevant here? And besides, simple logic allows for the use of different forms of argumentation in different instances.

  • JD

    I’d love an edit function for Christmas.

    That should read:

    3) Since WOCI brought it up, why wouldn’t the “bad apples” argument be irrelevant here? And besides, simple logic allows for the use of different forms of argumentation in different instances.

  • JD

    Actually, I was right the first time!

    Apologies to all.

  • Davros

    bollix JD:) I didn’t admit to double standards. Smoke and more smoke.
    The issue on this thread is Sinn Fein, not me 🙂

  • JD

    Davros,

    You were called out on the points you made in the thread, but instead of trying to back them up, you dodged the calls to do so.

    The issue was how you made your argument about SF in this thread. Not about you at all…

  • Davros

    Not so JD- you have been caught with a Porkie 🙂
    You admit to double standards.

    Why are you so determined to avoid discussing the level of criminality within Sinn Féin ?

  • JD

    How you made your argument covers just that, Davros.

  • JD

    And just to clarify, I have no problem having a fair discussion regarding SF’s alleged links to criminality. Indeed, there was a call for more proof regarding this instance, which got lost in the fog of other allegations. I believe that is how this little tiff got started.

  • Davros

    Fraid not me old china 🙂
    I admitted nothing , so you were caught in a lie when you said I admit etc 🙂

    But I nearly let you take us away from the topic.
    Sinn Fein.
    Colleagues of Sean Crowe, Aengus O’Snodaigh and Mr Convery in trouble- I do declare, they are worse than the BNP !

  • JD

    Sinn Fein.
    Colleagues of Sean Crowe, Aengus O’Snodaigh and Mr Convery in trouble- I do declare, they are worse than the BNP !

    Proof?

  • Davros

    I have no problem having a fair discussion regarding SF’s alleged links to criminality.

    All you have done on this thread is run interference for WOCI and attack me for daring to criticise your heroes 🙂

  • JD

    Not my heroes. Sorry. I merely backed up someone else’s call for more proof before rushing to judgment.

    So not only do you admit to having double standards, you also have no problems making false declarations/ assumptions about my “heroes” and affiliations?

    You’re getting worse.

  • Davros

    Proof?

    Bennett – behind bars

    O’Donnell – behind bars

    Crowe’s election agent – shot.

    I call that being in trouble 🙂

    That unspeakable from the BNP ? Charged but not behind bars 🙂

  • Davros

    So not only do you admit to having double standards

    That’s a lie , my aren’t you turning nasty in defeat 🙂

  • JD

    Davros,

    Three/ four lines does not prove your allegation that SF is worse than the BNP. You’ll have to do better.

    You admitted to having double standards. Accept you have them and move on. No nastiness intended.

  • Davros

    You admitted to having double standards.

    Nope. Provide proof or admit the lie 🙂

    Why so shy about discussing the fact that leading SF members are behind bars ?

  • JD

    Come on now. You know where you made the admission.

    I have no problems faily discussing criminality and SF. You assumed I do.

  • Davros

    Come on now. You know where you made the admission.

    proof please or admit the lie 🙂 I know you are not stupid enough to misunderstand what I wrote earlier.
    All this kerfuffle because you are embarrassed on SF’s behalf !That’s very loyal of you, but it doesn’t alter that there has been a procession of SF workers in the dock 🙂

  • JD

    You admitted double standards. You know you did. It’s alright, but move on.

    I’m afraid that I am not embarrassed on SF’s behalf. You’re reaching.

  • Davros

    No, I know that I DIDN’T admit to double standards 🙂

    Why so keen to disrupt this thread and run interference for WOCI ?

  • Davros

    So keen to disrupt that an hour after your “last post” you are still laying down smoke 🙂

  • JD

    You know you did. And that’s okay. But you really need to move on.

    Are you not slightly ashamed to conduct yourself in this manner?

  • Davros

    I’m not the one telling a bare-faced lie, you are 🙂

    But I appreciate your help with the rotten apple thing – thanks to your ineptitude I was able to make the point that a reputable party would dissociate itself from wrong-doers. Ta V.M.

  • ulsterman

    The whole lot of SF should be banned and put in jail. They are all nothing but murdering papist scum.

  • Mark

    Shhush Ulsterman, by blathering on in your usual bigoted style you’ve given JD an excuse to change the topic, I was enjoying watching this discussion y’know!.

  • davidbrew

    as a matter of interest, combining this thread and the Columbian eco -terrorists- do any of the Shinners think that any of their many party members convicted of crimes have actually ever committed any of them? I seem to remember a less than wholehearted condemnation of former Councillor Hugh “Mad Dog” Brady about 10 years ago when he was caught in posession of drugs ( planted by securocrats surely?) but nothing since.

    I mean, the courts in UK, Dublin and Belfast have obviously all got it wrong in the last week. Not to mention USA, Germany, and Netherlands on earlier occasions. Fortunately the Gibraltar courts weren’t given the opportunity to make such a mistake.

    How unfortunate is that? Possibly the only way to avoid this regrettable serial miscarriage of justice would be a UN sponsored amnesty for all IRA members whatever they do. I’m surprised Bertie hasn’t conceded that one yet.

  • Weapons Of Crass Instruction

    So Dav going back to your argument from last night

    “Pretending to be confused about two different articles, clearly linked, and laying down smoke won’t wash”

    Maybe you could elaborate as to just where the laying of smoke and pretence is regarding confusion about two different articles, clearly linked. You accused me of making excuses for wrongdoers and I replied –

    “ The issue [for me] is not about making excuses it’s about people jumping to conclusions in the absence of verifiable proof and concrete evidence – funnily enough the very same subjects that you have completely ignored on another thread”

    Doesn’t seem to me to be any ambiguity in relation to pretence or confusion on “two different articles, clearly linked” there. If you think there is could you please point it out to me?.

    “WOCI – are you denying that Donnelly was Mr McConvey’s election agent ? Are you calling Mr McConvey a liar”?

    As I said previously, no, I’m not calling him a liar but you used Eamon McConvey’s statement as justification to connect Dickie O’Donnell to Sinn Féin and I’m going to ask you again : Do you agree with Eamon McConvey when he says:

    “ Republicans are against extortion and it is not in Dickie’s nature to do anything like this. This is clearly yet another attempt by securocrats to discredit republicans”

    If you don’t agree with this statement let me then repeat the question to you ; Are you calling Eamon McConvey a liar?. Because if you are does it not then stand that all of his statement is lies – including the part about Dickie O’Donnell being a member of SF?.

    A simple yes or no to the question will suffice Davros followed with a small amount of elaboration as to why you’ve given the answer you have. I’ll construe any other as wriggly deflective tactics or to use a fovourite phrase of yours “laying down of smoke”.

  • Davros

    Ah WOCI – you were too easily beaten in debate last night:)I cannot be bothered with you any more .
    Pat gives a better quality of debate.

  • Weapons Of Crass Instruction

    Tut tut Dav. An extremely weak riposte to my challenge:

    “I’ll construe any other as wriggly deflective tactics or to use a fovourite phrase of yours “laying down of smoke”.

    Game set and match. :-]

  • Davros

    Shadowy figures stand down as fresh breed takes over in new ‘legit’ Provos

    In south Dublin, IRA associates of Niall Binead and Kenneth “Cakey” Donohoe, who were jailed for four years for being in the IRA, are deeply involved in organised crime, ranging from heroin dealing to the sale of smuggled soft drinks in south central Dublin.
    The IRA unit to which Binead – who was also a Sinn Fein election worker for TD Aengus O Snodaigh – was attached has also been involved in extorting money from a number of drug dealers in the area.
    A key IRA figure in south Dublin, a man who also has had close links to Sinn Fein, is currently regarded as being one of the main heroin dealers in the Thomas Street-Liberties area.
    While a number of heroin dealers have been intimidated out of the area, the remaining small-time dealers work for the IRA man who is in his mid-40s.
    Ironically, this man was once prominently involved in the local anti-drugs movement in the late Eighties and Nineties. Local sources say he was also involved in shooting and seriously injuring a local man, Alan Byrne. Byrne was a witness in the case against a group of local anti-drugs activists who beat to death a local heroin addict and HIV sufferer, Josie Dwyer, in 1996.
    The shooting of Alan Byrne, who recovered despite being shot three times in the back at close range, is one of the reasons the State still maintains the juryless Special Criminal Court. It was also one of the reasons the Garda eventually set up the Witness Protection Scheme. In the late Nineties, the local IRA began providing “protection” for a major drug-dealing family based in Drimnagh, who also happen to be related to one of the IRA figures. This family was allowed to continue drug dealing but has been paying substantial amounts of money to the IRA in Dublin.
    Since then, other “ordinary” criminals in Dublin have been paying money to the IRA in return for “protection”. Gardai believe the list of names and addresses of 30 Dublin criminals seized in the home of Niall Binead, when it was raided in December 2002, had been drawn up with the purpose of extorting money.
    Sources in the south city centre say it is an openly known fact that the local IRA is now probably the biggest crime gang in the area.
    On the north side of the Liffey, the IRA is controlled by a man originally from the Sheriff Street area, who has been involved in crime since his youth. He has been responsible for the hijacking of containers of cigarettes from Dublin Port. Gardai came close to catching him earlier this year. During elections he is a Sinn Fein worker.
    The IRA’s drugs money led to a bitter internal dispute two years ago when a number of men from south Dublin received vicious “punishment” shootings because the IRA leadership believed too much money was being siphoned off for personal use.
    A number of former anti-drugs activists in the IRA have become quite wealthy in recent years. The IRA allows the figures involved in organised crime in the city to buy houses in Dublin and even holiday homes but does not like them to display ostentatious wealth. Most are expected to work for Sinn Fein during election campaigns but otherwise are left to do whatever they want to raise funds for the organisation.

  • Weapons Of Crass Instruction

    All very well Davros however

    Are you calling Eamon McConvey a liar?. Because if you are does it not then stand that all of his statement is lies – including the part about Dickie O’Donnell being a member of SF?.

    A simple yes or no to the question will suffice Davros followed with a small amount of elaboration as to why you’ve given the answer you have. I’ll construe any other as wriggly deflective tactics or to use a fovourite phrase of yours “laying down of smoke”.

  • Davros

    WOCI – blow all the smoke you like 🙂
    I’m not playing your games.
    SF have election workers behind bars.
    Convicted of crimes.

  • JD

    Davros,

    As usual, your lastworditis made you stay up past everyone’s bedtime to have the last word!

    That does not change the fact that you admitted to double standards here, and as I have been saying that is no problem. But you need to admit it. Stretch and grow.

    Again, a fair discussion of crminality and SF is what was needed here. Unfortunately, you are not interested in that. I’m not disputing SF workers have ended up behind bars. I merely called for more evidence in this case, and you branded me an IRA supporter without knowing anything about my sympathies. By indulging in indiscriminate labeling, you’ve consistently shown how difficult it is to have a constructive debate on this topic.

    The “bad apple” argument was used by WOCI to compare SF to the way in which the security forces have failed to deal with their own “bad apples.”

    These “bad apples” should be dealt with fairly by the law. It’s that simple. I don’t understand the mindset that wants to deny them that.

  • Weapons Of Crass Instruction

    Forgive me Dav but I thought the article was about Dickie O’Donnell’s alleged connection to SF. Posting a lengthy invective full of unsubstantiated accusations from anonymous sources about faceless Mr Bigs, [which strangely enough covers the newspaper from the libel court perspective], and attempting to re hash points made in the threads initial headline to give your allegations re Dickie O’Donnell credence is merely a red herring which bears no relevance to the topic in question.

    Now, getting back to the original premise,

    Are you calling Eamon McConvey a liar?. Because if you are does it not then stand that all of his statement is lies – including the part about Dickie O’Donnell being a member of SF?.

    Oh and Dav, your point about SF having election workers behind bars convicted of crimes may be true but are you seriously trying to suggest that they are the only Party on the island of Ireland to have party members behind bars?. Come to think of it, two prominent examples spring to mind, Ian Paisley and Peter Robinson – although granted Peter wasn’t that long behind bars as he preferred to pay £Ire15,000 rather than do his full whack. But then again that’s probably quite different as you only seemto be speaking about lowly election workers as opposed to Party leaders and deputy leaders.

  • Davros

    Davros,

    As usual, your lastworditis made you stay up past everyone’s bedtime to have the last word!

    9:35PM is after everybody else’s bedtime ?

    That does not change the fact that you admitted to double standards here,

    A Lie. But like all shinners you hope that if you keep repeating the lie often enough people will believe you.

  • Davros

    Forgive me Dav

    Depends on what you personally have done. I forgive you for the dishonesty of your posts here. Anything more serious isn’t up to me 🙂

    are you seriously trying to suggest that they are the only Party on the island of Ireland to have party members behind bars?

    which other party CURRENTLY has senior members behind bars ? Or has had senior members behind gars since the GFA was signed ?

  • JD

    A Lie. But like all shinners you hope that if you keep repeating the lie often enough people will believe you.

    You know I’m not lying. It’s in black and white above.

    And it’s cute that you think I’m a shinner when I ask for proof and justice.

  • Davros

    It’s in black and white above.

    No it’s not, but keep on with the lie and I’ll keep correcting you. You merely, like your leader, end up looking dishonest .

  • JD

    Surely you’re the dishonest one with double standards? And it’s doubly dishonest of you to deny ever saying it when it can be read above.

    I’ll be sure to thank my leader when I see him next!

  • Davros

    it’s doubly dishonest of you to deny ever saying it when it can be read above.

    then why are you unable to show us where I made any such admission ? All this to distract from your Party’s crimes.

  • JD

    Everyone has seen it. They don’t need me to point it out to them. 🙂

  • Davros

    Nobody has seen it as it wasn’t written 🙂
    You are, like your leader, exposed as a fibber 🙂

  • JD

    Ah, Davros, you admitted it. You know it. We know it. Why so hung up on it? 😀

  • Davros

    It’s an untruth. I know those don’t bother you or your leader. But people are catching on :)Good Man Henry Hyde !

  • JD

    Ah Davros. You admitted to it, so it’s not an untruth.

    It’s amusing you think anyone cares about your double standards at all.

    I notice you answer to Mick Hall in another thread is a spectacular example of the red-herring strategy you accuse others of. But you will use it to further your agenda. I resisted bringing it up in that thread because you’ve embarrassed yourself enough here.

    There are many examples of your double standards to verify your admission above.

    You are fooling no-one.

  • Davros

    Ah Davros. You admitted to it

    Provide a quote or admit the lie 🙂
    And every time you repeat the lie I’ll remind the good folks that your Party has election workers behind bars and on the run 🙂
    Which party is that ? Sinn Féin, the only party found guilty of criminal behaviour in a Court.

  • JD

    You admitted to double standards. I pointed to more evidence in another thread.

    Not my party. Sorry to disappoint you.

  • Davros

    Not my party.

    as believable as your leader my shinner friend. Remember when he denied any connection to Sinn Féin ? How we laughed at that one ! I don’t blame you for being embarrassed.

    You admitted to double standards.

    A lie designed to distract from the fact that your party has been caught red-handed once again 🙂

  • JD

    This is hilarious.

    Do you honestly think that you are such an important part of the SF strategy in “covering up” the issue of SF and crime that they would bother arguing with you on an internet message board? You grossly overestimate yourself.

    Your vanity is also writ large in your repeated attempts to deny your double standards. Just admit them and move on.

    If you are waiting for me to retract anything, I’m afraid you’ll be disappointed.

    Denial fools no-one and makes the baby Jesus cry.

  • Weapons Of Crass Instruction

    Taking selective quotations intentionally out of context in order to formulate puerile sound bites seems to be a bit of a standard tactic of yours eh Dav?. However I’ll humour you and indulge your petty triviality for a moment –

    “I forgive you for the dishonesty of your posts here”

    Prove it Davros if I’ve been dishonest it must be down somewhere in black and white. Show me where I’ve been dishonest.

    “Which other party CURRENTLY has senior members behind bars ? Or has had senior members behind gars, [gottle o gear?], since the GFA was signed ?”

    Oh right, so Paisley and Robinson’s incarcerations come down to a matter of timescale as opposed to the principle of strict observance to the rule of law and order then, [reminds me a bit of The Third Force]. Christ Davros that’s astounding double standards, even for you.

    But enough of these irrelevancies, tell me why you keenly use one part of Eamon McConvey’s statement to support your thesis yet cynically dismiss another part of the same statement when it seems to undermine yur assertion?.

  • Davros

    Please provide proof that I admitted double standards my shinner friend or retract the lie.
    Doesn’t bother me replying to you, keeps a thread that shows your party’s criminality alive.

  • Davros

    not playing WOCI 🙂 Told you that several times before!

  • JD

    Evidence of your admission of double standards is above. I’ve told you this over and over.

    This thread in no way shows anything other than your vanity. Although I daresay it’s vaguely amusing to the few people still bothering to read it.

    Or maybe not.

  • Davros

    Evidence of your admission of double standards is above. I’ve told you this over and over.

    Indeed you have repeated the lie over and over again.

  • Ringo

    JD –
    And it’s cute that you think I’m a shinner when I ask for proof and justice.

    The really irritating thing about republican supporters regarding allegations of criminality is this insistence that if there isn’t clearcut evidence to convict someone of a crime then no crime was committed.

    It isn’t an either-or situation. The Proof/Justice/Evidence mantra is used to protect the guilty as well as the innocent – but the crimes that go unpunished or undetected are are still crimes and those that perpetrated them are criminals.

    Now, do you not think it is a possiblity that republicans could be involved in significant criminal activity, but usually carrying out the operations with sufficient organisation to avoid the threat of a conviction?

  • willowfield

    The really irritating thing about republican supporters regarding allegations of criminality is this insistence that if there isn’t clearcut evidence to convict someone of a crime then no crime was committed.

    Yet somehow this standard doesn’t apply to collusion!!