Strategy or sell out..?

THE UUP and SDLP are using exactly the same predictable tactics in their criticisms of their respective rivals. Both David Trimble and Mark Durkan claim the DUP and Sinn Fein sold out in the negotiations and settled for less than they would have walked away with.

  • peteb

    And the Alliance Party, Gonzo?

    Waiting to see whose side to take?
    Predictably? 😉

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    I’d hope the Alliance Party does not pick either of the sides, seeing as it regards them as instigators of a pair of artificially sustained tribal sectarian blocs.

    How can you pick a side anyway ? Both parties are technically right. The IRA’s excuse about photographs is plain silly. The DUP’s use of that excuse to scupper the deal was also plain silly.

  • peteb

    Ah… Hope and History, Roger 😉

    But I think the main point of the resultant ‘deal’ was that, at a very fundamental level, there was not very much actually agreed.

  • alex s

    Trimble in asking the DUP what the last six years have been about has made a serious point, lets not forget what life was like in Northern Ireland in the seventies and eighties, the Good Friday Aggreement saved lives, who is to say how many lives would have been lost had the DUPes got their way and as Trimble says for what, a few tweaks, certainly nothing of principle.

  • George

    The Anglo-Irish Agreement also saved lives and the Sunningdale Agreement also would have saved lives. Maybe Mr. Trimble should ask himself what the last thirty years have been about while he is at it.

  • alex s

    George, better learning late than never?

  • George

    Alexs
    Absolutely, but I suppose when I hear Trimble’s comments it makes me think I would just love to hear him once explain what the last 30 years were about for him just as I’d love to hear the IRA say what the last 80 years, since Dev took the anti-treaty forces into FF, of not recognising the democratic will of the Irish people were about for them.

  • willowfield

    George

    The Anglo-Irish Agreement also saved lives and the Sunningdale Agreement also would have saved lives.

    Neither saved lives. The only thing that saved lives was terrorists stopping their campaigns.

    Maybe Mr. Trimble should ask himself what the last thirty years have been about while he is at it.

    From his perspective, I’m sure he’d say they were about preserving the Union.

  • willowfield

    Trimble, of course, is quite right to point out that the DUP has signed up to the GFA. I’ve been saying it all along.

    It’s also interesting to note the concessions it seems willing to make in relation to the devolution of policing and justice (especially after its scare tactics in the election about voting DUP to prevent Gerry Kelly becoming Minister of Justice). Hypocrites.

  • George

    “Neither saved lives. The only thing that saved lives was terrorists stopping their campaigns”

    A bit simplistic that one Willowfield.

  • J Kelly

    The thought of Durkan and co negotiating a better deal is laughable. Durkan and Attwood are like the civil servants in Yes Minister when it comes to Blair.

    A former prominent SDLP party member in Derry and local newspaper columnist has written an account of a meeting he had with British Civil servants in the summer of 97 just after Labour came to power in this meeting the British view of the situation was to get SF and the Unionist to agree a deal and the SDLP would accept anything. They were not far wrong.

  • J Kelly

    Neither saved lives. The only thing that saved lives was terrorists stopping their campaigns.

    Who are the terrorist you refer to, would they include FRU, Special Branch and the SAS?

  • willowfield

    George

    A bit simplistic that one Willowfield.

    Not simplistic at all. Deaths were caused by the terrorist onslaught and the response to that onslaught. Lives could only be saved by the end of that onslaught (either by terrorists stopping or being stopped).

    J Kelly

    Who are the terrorist you refer to, would they include FRU, Special Branch and the SAS?

    No. Nationalist and loyalist terrorists. Deaths caused by the organisations you refer to were as a result of counter-terrorist activity which became unnecessary when the terror campaigns ended.