Families speak to the European parliament

A delegation from An Fhirinne, an organisation for the families who’s relatives were killed as a result of alleged collusion between British security forces and loyalist paramilitaries addressed the European parliament. However, both Unionist MEPs were keen to highlight the low numbers attending a ‘hearing’ recently in Brussels. Remarkable mostly for the degree of unanimity between the two parties.

  • peteb

    So which 2 MEPs actually attended the ‘hearing’? Bairbre was there and the “French Communist Francis Wurtz”.. So, Mary-Lou didn’t even turn up?

  • Davros

    What a waste of thousands of pounds of European money.

  • Will

    Fairly poor show for the shinners when the Jim Allister and Jim Nicholson managed to get 3 other MEPs to turn up to the protest…… So much for SF’s friends in Europe.

  • Mark McGregor

    The DUP and UUP state two MEPs. The story names three. More attended. Many more sent representatives as often happens in the EP. The hearing was fully attended by 11am. The protest had faded out with a whimper well before the 55 family members Unionist MEPs wished to intimidate arrived (families representing many more murdered as a result of British collusion with Loyalism) Offers of future support were given by the GUE/NGL group, individual ‘Socialists‘, Greens and even a few members of the PPE. The level of Unionist support for the protest was an ultra-British Asian Tory, another anonymous Tory, a few well paid assistants and one guy from the UKIP. There was no non-British interest in the Unionist protest which while very poorly attended was jovial regardless. The level of interest in the families case involved four separate political groupings and at least twelve countries. Human Rights NGOs and the media were also well represented.

    A desire to look at these issues in light of European rulings that the British failed to acknowledge and refused to investigate was stimulated.

    In all a very productive visit that finished with promises of continued interest/action from very varied parties.

    More importantly for the families they continue to ensure they aren’t given the status of the least worthy ‘victims’ Unionism seeks to reduce them to.

    Most people were disgusted that Unionism, the very far right elements of the British Conservatives and UKIP tried to disrupt and intimidate the families of those murdered in their name with the assistance of their government, colleagues and friends.

  • peteb

    No Mark.. the story only names two MEPs who attended the meeting – one being Bairbre.

    But, hey, let us know what results are achieved by that ‘meeting’, won’t you?

  • Davros

    Mark – how is this to be seen as anything else than SF trying to Humiliate their opponents ?

    Can you confirm that SF paid part or all the travel expensed for the families from their MEP constituent allowances ?

    Can you tell us if the same SF MEPs will organise a trip to Europe for families of the disappeared, or do SF have a hierarchy of victimhood ?

  • PS

    I had to laugh at the stories from Mr. Allister saying only SF’s “comminist allies” were present. I really think he’s been taking bertie’s talk of socialism a bit too seriously and that FF are hardly worthy of that tag!

    From talking to the families I gather this was a very worthwhile trip and one which they gained great heart from. Hopefully it will prove to be another step forward in their quest to gain an admission from the British government of what actually happened behind closed doors in the last 35 years

  • Davros

    Patrick – hierarchy of victimhood ? Pursuit of humiliastion ?

  • George

    Most countries use euros in Europe Davros, not pounds.

    Also, your hierarchy of victimhood comment seems to imply people are only allowed campaign for all victims or none. Hardly as sensible position to take.

  • peteb

    It’s a position SF are taking in Derry today, George.

  • willowfield

    What was the purpose of the meeting and who paid for it?

  • Davros

    WF: I read a report that each MEP is allocated funds to bring constituents to Europe and that SF MEPs used theirs in this partisan coat trailing exercise in attempted humiliation.

    George : Ms de Brún’s european funding is paid in Sterling as the currency of her constituency.
    I’ll not hold my breath for a SF MEP to bring the families of IRA victims to Europe. my comments , as you well know, are to expose SF’s hypocrisy when THEY claim there is no hierarchy of victimhood.

  • willowfield

    What was the purpose of the meeting?

    Propaganda?

  • Davros

    An attempt to Humiliate the British Government.

  • George

    SF are hardly renowned for taking sensible positions when it comes to victims Peteb but I would expect more from Davros.

  • George

    What was paid for out of Bairbre’s paypacket Davros?

  • Davros

    Show me where I said anything was paid out of Ms de Brún’s paypacket. You seem to be becoming increasingly dishonest in your posts.

  • PS

    This isn’t an issue about a hierarchy of victimhood, Davros. As far as I’m concerned all victims are equal and nobody’s suffering is more or less important. What this issue is about is exposing the British government’s position. They claim to be, and are accepted as, an “honest broker” in this conflict, as a party aloof from an internal conflict in the North of Ireland when the reality is that they were in fact an active participant in a dirty little war which have many innocent people as its victims.

    Where is the apology from the British government for this and where is the assurance that it will never be allowed to happen again?

  • Davros

    It comes across that way to many in my community who feel the same loyalty towards the Security forces (or those who stayed within the law!) as members of SF feel towards IRA volunteers Patrick. What is read as repeated attacks and an attempt to smear/humiliate ALL for the sins of a minority causes great resentment and is part of the process that led to the “humiliation” row. Mind you, that might have been part of the plan if Anthony McIntyre is right about Chairs and Nails.

  • ShayPaul

    My community – loyalty towards the security forces = mushroom food.

    The security forces in a modern democracy do not belong to any community.

    Mixing politics with policing and police with politicking again, a favorite past-time of Unionist politicians.

    The good people of NI don’t want this anymore, they want to work together to create a better society.

    Come mothers and fathers
    Throughout the land
    And don’t criticize
    What you can’t understand
    Your sons and your daughters
    Are beyond your command
    Your old road is
    Rapidly agin’.
    Please get out of the new one
    If you can’t lend your hand
    For the times they are a-changin’.

  • Davros

    mushroom food.

    For someone so quick to whinge about man-playing …
    Hypocrite.

    Like it or not Shay, the unionist community do feel loyalty to the security forces.

  • ShayPaul

    Davros

    I attack thee not, enjoy the exchanges actually.

    I attack sectarianism in all its forms.

    I apologise for any offence it was not intended,

    regards

  • Davros

    Pax ? We been getting too worked up, My apologies 🙂
    I have a lot of time for you and value our exchanges .

  • ShayPaul

    Thank you, likewise.

  • George

    Davros,
    I’d appreciate if you could show me evidence of this “increase” in dishonesty or is it merely a case of you returning to you your old ways of relentless character assassination.

    When you said De Brun’s European funding, were you not talking about her wages?

  • Davros

    I’d appreciate if you could show me evidence of this “increase” in dishonesty

    The twisting of my post about Ms de Brún was a fine example. Again I’ll ask, where did I say anything about Ms de Brún’s paypacket ?
    Don’t play the innocent George. I had already CLEARLY explained what I was talking about with
    “each MEP is allocated funds to bring constituents to Europe”

  • willowfield

    This isn’t an issue about a hierarchy of victimhood, Davros. As far as I’m concerned all victims are equal and nobody’s suffering is more or less important.

    So Billy Wright is “equal” to Patsy Gillespie?

    Away and shite.

  • PS

    Do you think his family cried any less?

  • Davros

    So, if all victims are equal, how come SF MEPs didn’t bring the families of any victims of the IRA to Europe Patrick ?

  • willowfield

    The intensity of family grief should not be the measure of the worth of a victim. Billy Wright and Patsy Gillespie are not equally worthy of our concern or respect.

  • PS

    Davros

    The reason is that the visit of An Fhirinne is about getting the british government to admit that they were an active participant in the conflict here and not an “honest broker” and to attempt to procur an apology from the british state for their murder of innocent civilians. The IRA has already done both of these things.

  • willowfield

    They were an “active participant” in the sense that Iraq was in active participant in the Iraq war: they didn’t have much choice!

  • Davros

    Very dubious Patrick. The IRA have yet to own up to a string of “incidents” and apologise for them. What apologies we have received have been very, very qualified.

  • Davros

    Claudy springs to mind.

    On 31 July 1972 three car bombs exploded in the small town of Claudy, County Derry, killing nine people. Although no paramilitary organisation claimed direct responsibility it is widely accepted that the attack was the work of a unit of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) based in south County Derry.

    Claudy Bombs – Arrests ‘Soon’

    Few people I know would deny that there was collusion. However those people also find it hard to accept Gerry A’s denials of IRA membership and just as republicans and nationalists find the British Government’s attempts as portraying itself as an “honest broker” a problem , so do many in my community find SF’s attempts to portray itself as an honest broker for the IRA a problem.

    I don’t mean that to be offensive.