overtures from uup

many and varied overtures from ulster unionists explored on today’s talkback. alliance reject notion of standing aside for westminster poll, but much less convincing denial by gary mcmichael (one of trimble’s appointees to civic forum) that he is bound for cunningham house. david ervine and mcmichael to reside in same party?

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Can I be the first to call for the Ulster Unionist Party to decommission?

    :o)

  • Will

    Eddie Haughey, David Ervine and Gary McMichael: well at least only one of them is there because of his wallet I suppose.

  • Will

    Perhaps even Trimble could think about changing the party to reflect what is has become and becuase many of the people joining wouldnt want to be associated with a nasty ‘unionist’ party.

    Clinically Lifeless Mature Crones perhaps,

    Damn, I think those initials have already been taken!! 😉

  • carlosblancos

    Hold on. I didn’t hear this and can’t stream it in work….is there some suggestion that Ervine and McM are to join UUP?

  • Will

    Are we going to hear any thoughts from our resident UUP defenders on the possibilities of having either/both Ervine and McMichael sipping tea in Cunningham house?

    What next? Johnny Adair as Diana Peacocke’s running mate for North Down Council?

  • Keith M

    ..”is there some suggestion that Ervine and McM are to join UUP?”

    The first documented example of rats joining a sinking ship?

  • Will

    No views from the UUP supporters on this? Can we assume they have no problems with his, or have they done a Cobain and walked out on us???? 😉

  • Roger W. Christ XVII

    Keith, nice to see your here again. I bet you’re looking as forward to the DUP’s imminent deal with Sinn Fein as I am. Having Martin McGuinness as deputy First Minister is an excellent example of how this new, fairer deal really puts one up the republicans.

  • davidbrew

    maybe they’ll launch the manifesto at Royal Portrush golf club followed by a fourball-Martin McAleese (the first lady), Jackie McDonald, Slyvia Hermon and Billy Huchinson. Just be sure and tell Sylv that they’re her partners, not the caddies

  • davidbrew

    Will this mean the UUP will have to call a ceasefire? I’m really looking forward to Jas Cooper expressing total unequivocal true and abject remorse for their actions :0)

  • Will

    Still silence from the UUP supporters on their views on this.

    Does seem that some people are better at asking questions than answering them.

  • davidbrew

    Yup
    reminds me of the fuss at the bus-

    Altogether now-
    “Where’s jonty? Where’s jonty?” :0)

  • Belfast Gonzo

    “the fuss at the bus”

    Ah, how satisfying to realise that my wee phrase is still remembered with affection…!

  • Will

    However, still no answer from our Trimble followers as to whether they will be Ervine people or McMichael people in the new UUP!! ;o)

    There was talk of installing airport type metal detectors at some dodgy schools in England – maybe they’ll have to put one in Cunningham house too!!

  • Christopher Stalford

    Shilliday, Willowfield, Unionist_Obsever (a misnomer if ever there was one for Rebecca Black) and Jonty!

    Come out, come out wherever you are!

  • Christopher Stalford

    First trying to bribe David Ford with a peerage and now trying to poach Ervine and McMichael, how low are the Ulster Unionists going to go?

  • Stephen Warke

    This David Ford thing really is absolute nonsense, as is this rumour and that is all it is about David Ervine and Gary McMichael. The first place i heard of it was on slugger and i for one am confident that these allegations, which is all they are, are complete and absolute ballony.

    I am happy to debate on slugger in terms of matters which are fact but im not gonna commentate any further on matters which are completely and utterly without actual proof

    We, as a party aim to take the fight to the DUP!
    The electorate is not stupid, they see the flip flop policy of the DUP, they recognise the double talk of people such as Robinson and Paisley – this DUPe of the Unionist community will not go unnoticed.

    I suggest Mr Stalford concern himself with matters so much more important and in so doing i wish him the very best! (if i dont see you in person before then Chris)

    Regardless, perhaps the DUP would be best dealing with the problems comiong from the DUP grass roots as Robinson and Paisley do the mother of all deals with Sinn Fein/IRA and concede forever and to the history books that they failed in their mission to ‘smash Sinn Fein’.

    All DUP policy today has done is to vindicate all that the Ulster Unionist Party has done for the past 6 years has been right

  • Peter Brown

    All DUP policy today has done is to vindicate all that the Ulster Unionist Party has done for the past 6 years has been right

    That is the absolute baloney Stephen – the DUP as I have said on other threads will prove that what we as the UUC were told was impossible – verifiable prior decommissioning – was possible and that we broke our election pledges needlessly through our own weakness. Most of the grass roots of the UUP now accepts this and all they are awaiting is the proof. Unfortunately that may come in the very near future and prior to next years elections with the ineviatbale consequence of further losses.
    As for the Ford and paramilitary stories the Alliance Party have all but confirmed the Ford story and we are failing to deny it which in my opinion means it must be true and shows how far we have fallen from grace.
    I have always had concerns about our reliance on the loyalist parties, despite Butterknife pointing the finger at the DUP we have always been much closer aligned with PUP and UDP/UPRG and it has undermined our calls for an end to republican paramilitarism that we work hand in glove with loyalists whose ceasefires have always been less secure than those of republicans. To go one step further and let the into the party would be electoral suicicde in terms of he impact on our core vote – if they are not fit for government they are not fit to be our party colleagues.

  • davidbrew

    “how low are the Ulster Unionists going to go?” saith Christopher

    how about Billy Armstrong next leader ?

  • Warm Storage

    Ouch! Now that is below the belt: the man whose proposed solution to the foot-and-mouth disease crisis was to drop animal carcasses into our active volcanoes.

  • fair_deal

    Stephen

    The inclusion of David Ervine makes clear political sense (whether by joining formally or accepting the UUP whip at Stormont) because IF D’hondt were run on the basis of such Unionist re-alignments the UUP would take a ministerial seat off the DUP (3 a piece instead of the present 4DUP / 2UUP)

  • Will

    Warm Storage
    “Ouch! Now that is below the belt: the man whose proposed solution to the foot-and-mouth disease crisis was to drop animal carcasses into our active volcanoes.”

    Of course, that hasnt been the only one of Billy’s golden moments.

    He did also ask Brid Rodgers in the Agriculture Committee of the Assembly if she would look into the possibility that BSE was brought to earth on a meteorite. – The poor woman apparently didnt know whether to laugh at him or not…

    Btw Steven
    If you think all the Ford stuff is just rubbish – it certainly isnt rubbish that an approach was made to them. That has been admitted. Now think this through, you approach a party to stand aside in all their strongest constituencies. If the UUP just went to the Alliance with nothing to offer then they really are less intelligent and much more arrogant than I could ever have comprehended. The UUP obviously brought something to the table. If it wasnt going to be Lord Ford/Baroness Bell then what was it going to be then Mr Warke?

    The initial question remains though. Should these people actually join the party how would you feel? Would you welcome this, or would you do a Cobain and walk out of meetings….. Or indeed follow the actions of some UUP councillors in Lisburn who have threatened to resign should McMichael join…..

  • Peter Brown

    And so as quickly as he appears the official UUP spokesman disappears….too many difficult questions to answer – I thought it was only the DUP who ran away?

  • Warm Storage

    Surely to make overtures to Dr Deeny might be a better tactic? Makes equal political sense (in line with what Fair Deal has said about 25 UUP seats being enough to gain the UUs a ministerial portfolio at the expense of the DUP, not to mention getting to nominate before SF), and without the PUP/UVF baggage.

    Dr Deeny would also have a much better chance of getting a seat on the Health Committee. Just a thought.

  • Young Fogey

    david ervine and mcmichael to reside in same party?

    Now, Philip, you know as well as I do that the Ulster Unionist Party has now truck with unreconstructed terroris…

    Oh, shit, so much for that theory.

    This David Ford thing really is absolute nonsense, as is this rumour and that is all it is about David Ervine and Gary McMichael.

    Stephen, you have lost the ability to punctuate properly. Are you under stress? People often get stressed when they know that they’re telling a lie. Would you like a vallium and a wee lie down?

  • Will

    Warm Storage
    You actually do raise an interesting point – I dont think Deeney could join up – he made such a thing about being independent and only speaking on health that he just couldnt make any moves to join a party for whatever reason.

    Howevever, that probably wouldnt stop the UUP – after all, I dont think they care too much about a person’s unionism for them to join. Its just a case of get anyone on board for the sheer sake of numbers.

    Still no views expressed from Jonty et al as to how they would feel about the initial points raised here. You do have to wonder why people who are so vocal on some threads are so silent on others.

  • Warm Storage

    Well, that just leaves the option of welcoming Bob back into the fold then. Hehehe…

    Pity Roger Hutchinson didn’t get back in: he’s already been in more parties than Tara Palmer Tomkinson, so one more wouldn’t make any difference. UKUP, NIUP, Independent, DUP, Independent again…

  • Young Fogey

    He’s also a lunatic, thug, and A1 bigot. Doesn’t fit into well with the DUP’s new tree-hugging image…

  • Belfast Gonzo

    he’s already been in more parties than Tara Palmer Tomkinson

    Did he try anything on?

  • unionist_observer

    “Shilliday, Willowfield, Unionist_Obsever (a misnomer if ever there was one for Rebecca Black) and Jonty!

    Come out, come out wherever you are!”

    I would comment but the simple fact is that I know nothing about it, I’ve been out of Northern Ireland since the summer, I’m afraid I am behind the times.

  • Will

    No-one is asking for any information you may or may have on the subject.

    It is your opinion on it which is being asked. How would you feel if such people were to join the UUP. How do you even feel about the possibility of these people being approached?

    Dodging the issue – surely not!

  • unionist_observer

    I don’t know the context of it or indeed whether it is merely as rumour. If we were going to deal in hypotheticals, then how would you feel about the DUP and the UUP both splitting up, and a new party being formed out of the middle ground?

  • davidbrew

    u-o
    wriggle wriggle wriggle!!!

  • unionist_observer

    was just wondering!

  • fair_deal

    In this and other threads it keeps being mentioned about Fred Cobain walking out of a meeting – I missed this one – what meeting did he walk out of and anyone know why?

  • Christopher Stalford

    In this and other threads it keeps being mentioned about Fred Cobain walking out of a meeting – I missed this one – what meeting did he walk out of and anyone know why?

    H walked out of the Ulster Unionist Assembly Party group meeting on Monday. It is alleged that the reason was because he felt it disgraceful that the UUP should attempt to bribe Alliance out of the election with the promise of a peerage. I must say that I stand ready to be corrected – these are only the rumours I have heard.

  • Christopher Stalford

    Still no comment from Jonty or Willowfield and Rebecca just tried to duck the issue.

    Whats wrong folks, are you embarrased?

  • IJP

    Christopher

    To be fair to Willowfield, Jonty and Rebecca, they strike me as consistently honest people.

    Which may explain their silence re the ‘offers’…

  • Moderate Unionist

    Is there a difference to admitting Irvine and McMichael to the UUP in comparison to allowing Martin McGuiness to be deputy first minister?

  • davidbrew

    actually all they offered Ford was a K, IJP

    MU-you’ve hit the hypocritical nail on the head. Welcome to UUPworld, where everyone’s wrong but DT

  • jonty

    This is all speculation whipped up by the dupes to hide Ian and Martin going into government together.
    Now if you want to talk facts,we still havent had an explanation as to the fact that Iris and Peter are both claiming nearly £20k each for london accomodation. why is this? is it for 2 seperate places, if so why cant a husband and wife share one and save up 20 grand?

  • alex s

    Those DUPes who appear disgusted at the thought of McMichael and Ervine joining the UUP are going to have trouble keeping their turkey down if the Doc does pull of a deal me thinks.

    Yes and what about the Robinson,s £40K london living allowance, one house or two?

  • Michael Shilliday

    I believe Brewster that MU was refering to your new mates making Marty deputy first minister.

    Enjoying life in UUP mark 2?

  • Christopher Stalford

    “Enjoying life in UUP mark 2?”

    Vote UUP because the DUP is just as bad as we were!

    Pathetic.