Bribing loyalism..?

IF you were Secretary of State Paul Murphy, what would you tell the UDA/UPRG or PUP/UVF representatives at today’s meeting? On Talkback earlier, Sunday World reporter Hugh Jordan suggested that the UDA was moving into ‘security’ and that they would be offered millions to become legal businesses. That should suit two of the convicted extortionists on the other side of Murphy’s table anyway…

  • mickhall

    I find this meeting weird, unless it is a fishing expedition. Over in the US this would have been like Rudi Giuliani inviting John Gotti around for a chat, to ask him if he needed any help in setting up in the waste disposal business. These people (UDA) have no democratic political mandate and given their past history, what person in their right minds would encourage them to build one. The latter fact that they have no mandate despite attempting to build one tells one they have become like an unwelcome guest, who fails to pay their way yet continues to leech off their host. Perhaps working class unionists should get the sponge back out and this time direct it at these thugs.

    Or is this a case of the British State paying off old debts.

  • Warm Storage

    Unable to listen to Hugh Jordan’s comments, Gonzo, but has 1 April come round early (or late, I suppose) this year?? The UDA to become a legitimate security business?!? Someone’s winding me up. This on the back of Gregory’s fuzzy logic from yesterday:

    “It cannot be the case on an ongoing basis that those who live near the border with the Irish Republic – 80% of whom are nationalists – get the advantages of cheaper fuel for domestic and commercial vehicles while those who live further away from the border – mostly unionists – have to pay more for theirs.”

    Newton Emerson couldn’t make it up…

  • Davros

    Over in the US this would have been like Rudi Giuliani inviting John Gotti around for a chat, to ask him if he needed any help in setting up in the waste disposal business.

    Think history, think of the deal done with the Mafia during WWII.

    As then, this stinks.
    UDA in ‘security’ ?
    Old Bailey bomber as minister in charge of policing?
    But that’s politics.
    Stinks.

  • willowfield

    Instead of cosy chats, the Government should be sending the UDA back to jail. Their ceasefire is no longer recognised, so why are they still out on licence?

    Shame.

  • James

    “Sunday World reporter Hugh Jordan suggested that the UDA was moving into ‘security’ “

    It’s not so far fetched. The Oakland Hell’s Angels were the security for the Stones at Altamont.

    And look how well that turned out.

  • fair_deal

    “…so why are they still out on licence?”

    How’s about the possibility that the power to revoke licences in the early release legislation that stemmed from the agreement was primarily a fig leaf?

    Another example of a failing in the Belfast Agreement’s perhaps?

  • willowfield

    We can expect the DUP to remedy it, then?

    I’ll not hold my breath.

  • Millie

    Perhaps the British Govt can mint them some ‘Collusion Medals’, for service and loyalty to the Crown.

  • Mario

    Think history, think of the deal done with the Mafia during WWII.

    Davros- Are you referring to Lucky Luciano’s indicment being delayed in exchange for his help in organizing partisans in Sicily?

    If I remember correctly, he was still deported. And this was a behind the scenes deal with the FBI and some generals.

    It seems very different and societies should not be dealing with these sort of people, for it legitimizes them in the eyes of some community member and it gives them moral authority that they should not have.

  • Davros

    I could also have mentioned the Kennedy deal to get JFK elected.

    Re Luciano – he was indeed deported. He would otherwise have served out his 30-50 odd year jail sentence. The FBI don’t have the power to set aside
    Jail sentences. In Sicily itself the Mafia were gifted control as a reward. Not by the sound of it that different from what could happen here if we have IRA men and UDA men put into positions of authority or granted a false legitimacy.

  • Mario

    The FBI don’t have the power to set aside
    Jail sentences.

    Perhaps not now. But lets be serious now.

    I guess my question is , what would the benefit be for the people of NI to legitimize them?

    In sicily, the Allied forces received cooperation that helped them in the italian campaign.

    That was a world war and it was the 1940’s. Surely things have changed in NI.

  • mickhall

    In the US certain police forces worked a sting where they would mail wanted felons, informing them they had won a major prize in a competition, all they had to do was turn up at such and such a hotel to receive it. When they get there they invited into a room and arrested. Perhaps Murphy is working a variation of this sting, having told the UDA leadership that to equal things out and for past services rendered, they are all going to be made Ministers in the new assembly government and if they turn up at his office he will issue them with their seals of office. whereas in reality the PSNI will be waiting with handcuffs.

    I know, nonsense as nothing ridiculous ever happens in the North.

  • Alan2

    At the same time it is encouraging that these people are actively seeking to meet the Secretary of State. Especially since they have nowhere near as much to gain as Sinn Fein / IRA from doing so, except perhap the regeneration of Protestant / Loyalist working class areas.

  • Davros

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