Attack the messenger, avoid the issue

Within a week of the Provisional IRA ‘apologising’ for the abduction and murder of 15-year-old Bernard Taggart in 1973, a Sinn F

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Is Mr Kennedy being deliberately vague in the use of the word ‘republican’ rather than try to identify the specific groups responsible. Republican is a catch all term. As he probably knows only too well the assaults he describes as republican were in the main committed by the INLA. Which is anti GFA and just about everything else.

    I also remember Mr Kennedy outside Holy Cross school in 1997, the poor man scuttled away after about 10 minutes. His tour to convert the natives with the on tow cameras went down like a lead balloon.

  • peteb

    That’ll be why the Sinn F

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Presumbly, as Prof Kennedy is “not an impartial observer”, Sinn Fein will also not be saying anything on any topic ever again too?

    What a stupid statement from their spokesman, who had the chance to say sthg positive about the reduction in the number of shootings, but instead came across as bitter.

    I suppose Kennedy is now an ‘enemy of the peace process’ (TM) for highlighting the ongoing shooting of children?

  • peteb

    Stupid in terms of PR, Gonzo, but also a deliberate attempt to undermine the report.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    It’s hard to undermine facts that speak for themselves, but it looks as though that was the intention.

  • Davros

    From now on I suspect everything by the PFC and an Firhinne will be brushed aside with “not impartial observers”.

  • Pat Mc Larnon


    I suspect he was described as being anti republican because he is just that.

    Mr Kennedy is well aware of the reasons unionists have regarding participatiing in the Assembly. That is why such weight is attached to the flawed IMC reports.
    Unionists can point to reports such as this as ‘evidence’ of republican duplicity ‘(in their terms). It is therefore important that the authors of such reports have a responsibiltiy to be as accurate as possible.
    I believe he is being deliberately vague in this respect.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Perhaps Sinn Fein could provide Prof Kennedy with a list of all the kids the IRA shot over the last year, then that would clear up any confusion with INLA shootings?

    I reckon about three since the last IMC report. Am I an enemy of the peace process?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Would it Gonzo? What if SF were to say none? Their statement would simply be dismissed as propaganda.
    The onus is surely on Mr Kennedy, he produced the report. If it has been researched properly then he should have no problem producing ‘facts’.

    Or would the ‘facts’ give us a clue to his sources. A bit like the discredited IMC.

  • Belfast Gonzo

    The thing is, that rather than actually state the truth, the SF spokesman attacked the messenger. Clearly, the truth is of less concern to him than having a go at someone.

    A classic case of playing the man, not the ball, eh?

    Weirdly enough, you aren’t disputing the figures either. Surely someone with your knowledge of events on the ground could clear things up.

    Hell, even I had a guess. Maybe I should have a go at Kennedy too.

    Is his report online? I wasn’t too impressed by the research methods in the last one, but the figures seemed to add up. In fact, the figures were the only part of it worth reading, IIRC. His writing was pretty awful, but his point remains fine.

    Still, I won’t be the first to congratulate the paramilitaries for not shooting children.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    “Weirdly enough, you aren’t disputing the figures either. Surely someone with your knowledge of events on the ground could clear things up.”

    I’m disputing his partiality not his all round honesty.
    I think I tried to clear things up (as best I could), in my original post.
    Perhaps you could give us the detail of the 3 you arrived at and your reasons for doing so.

  • aquifer

    While we are keeping score, anybody got an estimate of what all those missing schooldays, burn’t out jobs, and absent dads did for the kids during the ‘war’.

    How did these ethnic gangsters run off with a useful word like Republican anyhow. I’m anti ethnic opportunist and laugh at royals, but Republican seems to imply balaclavas, compulsory whiney background music and seriously heavy eastern bloc metal, so I’ll be anti too for the time being.

  • Davros

    Wolfe Tone if he was alive would be anti-republican as well.

  • Davros


  • peteb

    Yes, we know, we’ve read the other threads, ‘ulsterman’.

  • The Renegade

    If Sinn Fein a)are separate from the IRA b)oppose punishment beatings and c)are the self-proclaimed heroes of human rights, then why are they condemning a report which found that kids are being mutilated by the Provos? Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

    If the report is indeed inaccurate, perhaps SF could ‘talk to the IRA’ (i.e. look in the mirror) and give us the real figures on how many children the IRA have knocked and shot the crap out of.