Irish-born British/Iraqi aid worker abducted…

AN Irish-born aid worker, with dual British and Iraqi nationality, has been kidnapped on her way to Baghdad to head up Care International’s operations.

UPDATE: Al Jazeera has shown a video of Mrs Hassan being held by an Iraqi group. (Link does not connect to the video, just the story by Al Jazeera, also on BBC.)

  • willowfield

    Think she’s got triple nationality: British/Iraqi/Southern Irish.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Is there such a nationality as ‘Southern Irish’?

  • willowfield

    Someone who is a citizen of Southern Ireland.

  • maca

    There is no state called “Southern Ireland” so how can anyone be a citizen?

    Actually don’t bother to answer ‘cos we’ve been down this road umpteen times.

  • willowfield

    I assume you know Southern Ireland is another name for the Republic of Ireland.

  • maca

    I thought it was Munster 😉

  • Colm

    Let us not debate the nationality of Mrs Hassan. It is an absolute irrelevence. She is a good person who has clearly devoted her life to giving humanitarian care. She is a human being. her birthplace is of no relevence. Determining her nationality does not alter one iota the completely unjustified kidnapping by those barbaric thugs whose contribution to humanity will never come close to matching even a fraction of her’s.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Agreed Colm, just wondered why one person wanted to trivialise such a tragic incident in a pathetic, provocative manner.

  • maca

    Of course Colm, dead right. This is just our usual terminiology tussle, just ignore it.

  • willowfield

    It was Pat McLarnon who queried the nationality, so – by his own standards – he is trivialising the tragic incident in a pathetic, provocative manner.

    For my own part, I merely noted that the woman actually has triple nationality (the blog said dual nationality), which was surely of interest, particularly since the missing nationality was Southern Irish, which is relevant to Slugger.

  • mickhall

    Colm wrote,
    “She is a good person who has clearly devoted her life to giving humanitarian care”

    Leaving aside Mrs Hassan who im sure we all hope will soon be back safely with her family, why do people always assume that those who work in her field are good people and do so for the best of reasons? This moves across into the political arena too, for example those who have/do head the British Ministry of Overseas Development Patten/Short/Benn are regarded as being on the side of the angels, yet in reality this Ministry is no more altruistic than any other.

    Mick

  • maca

    Mick,
    I think it’s safe enough to assume she is a good person considering the work she/the organisation does.

    “For the last decade, despite all the problems and dangers, Margaret has implemented humanitarian programmes in Iraq through CARE International. CARE is an independent, non-governmental agency. Margaret has had no involvement with the war, other than trying to assist people throughout the conflict. Before the war, she was outspoken in warning of the potential humanitarian cost of any military action.

    Margaret Hassan has been providing humanitarian relief with non-government organisations to the people of Iraq for much of her life there.

    Her humanitarian work has helped the poorest and neediest Iraqis for 25 years. Her work with CARE has assisted women and children with health care, rebuilding hospitals and providing water and sanitation services. “

  • willowfield

    I think, unless mickhall has any information that would indicate otherwise, we can assume that Mrs Hassan is a good person.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Willowfield,
    there is Irish nationality and that is it, as you well know. There is no recognised internationally term as Southern Irish nationality. Your pettiness in introducing it onto the thread is quite telling.

  • George

    “he is trivialising the tragic incident in a pathetic, provocative manner.”

    No Willowfield,
    you are by trying to demean the Irish state at every opportunity, regardless of topic. It show a lack of objectivity in my view.
    Also, you are incorrect in your terminology which can lead to confusion. “Southern Irish doesn’t exist as a term relating to citizenship. Southern Irish implies Munster, as Maca points out.
    It’s a bit like calling Austria “Ostmark” or Zimbabwe “Rhodesia”.
    The BBC calls her an “Irish citizen”.

    On topic,
    it appears this is a simple “financial” kidnapping, which happens all the time to wealthy Iraqis but doesn’t get media attention.

  • willowfield

    Pat McLarnon

    there is Irish nationality and that is it, as you well know. There is no recognised internationally term as Southern Irish nationality. Your pettiness in introducing it onto the thread is quite telling.

    I’m quite sure you are well aware that the “Irish nationality” to which you refer is citizenship of the Southern Irish state aka ROI. Therefore it was quite clear to you that I was reporting that the woman – in addition to being a citizen of Iraq and the UK – was also a citizen of Southern Ireland. You chose to demean the thread by taking issue – for petty reasons – with the description Southern Ireland, even though you know full well that Southern Ireland means Republic of Ireland.

    George

    you are by trying to demean the Irish state at every opportunity, regardless of topic.

    I’m not.

    It show a lack of objectivity in my view.

    It doesn’t.

    Also, you are incorrect in your terminology which can lead to confusion. “Southern Irish doesn’t exist as a term relating to citizenship. Southern Irish implies Munster, as Maca points out.

    No. Southern Ireland is an oft-used synonym for the Republic of Ireland of which I am sure you are well aware.

    It’s a bit like calling Austria “Ostmark” or Zimbabwe “Rhodesia”.

    It’s not a bit like that at all.

    The BBC calls her an “Irish citizen”.

    And I call her a Southern Irish citizen.

  • Dec

    …and you’d be wrong but hey, why let someone’s kidnapping overshadow your quaint views on nationality.

    Ps what do you call an Irish citizen from Malin Head? North-Western Irish?

  • willowfield

    I wouldn’t be wrong.

  • George

    “No. Southern Ireland is an oft-used synonym for the Republic of Ireland of which I am sure you are well aware.”

    Willowfield,
    you’ve posted here long enough to know that “Southern Ireland” is the entity created by Westminster legislation, namely the Government of Ireland Act 1920.
    It is the equivalent of calling Northern Ireland “North of Ireland”. Do you find that term demeaning? Should I use this term in future when discussing Northern Ireland?

    Your refusal to accept that Ireland is an independent sovereign state shows to me an Imperial mindset akin to those who find it hard to use Zimbabwe instead of Rhodesia or Oesterreich instead of Ostmark.

    You’ll be telling me the House of Commons of Southern Ireland is the legitimate parliament of my country next.

  • Dec

    Oh yes you would.

  • willowfield

    George

    you’ve posted here long enough to know that “Southern Ireland” is the entity created by Westminster legislation, namely the Government of Ireland Act 1920.

    I knew that long before I ever posted here.

    It is the equivalent of calling Northern Ireland “North of Ireland”.

    It’s not. The term “Northern Ireland” is perfectly adequate: there’s no need to use any other term. Obviously, the same cannot be said for Southern Ireland, whose official name is inaccurate and offensive.

    Your refusal to accept that Ireland is an independent sovereign state shows to me an Imperial mindset akin to those who find it hard to use Zimbabwe instead of Rhodesia or Oesterreich instead of Ostmark.

    Ireland isn’t an independent sovereign state. It is an island, part of which is an independent sovereign state and the other part of which is part of the UK. That’s a statement of fact and is nothing whatsoever to do with either “Imperial mindsets” or either of the bogus examples cited.

    You’ll be telling me the House of Commons of Southern Ireland is the legitimate parliament of my country next.

    Why would I do that?

  • mickhall

    maca and willowfield,

    I made it clear in my post I was leaving Mrs Hassan to one side and what I was trying to do is consider the reason why many people regard those who work in the foreign aid field as always being good people. Instead we have descended into a pretty pointless (for me) argument about using the term the south of Ireland etc. As Mrs Hassan has lived in Iraq for 20 plus years and she has Iraqi citizenship, I would presume that is what she is and it would be more helpful to portrays her as such.

  • willowfield

    mick

    what I was trying to do is consider the reason why many people regard those who work in the foreign aid field as always being good people …

    On the point I was trying to raise, i.e. the seemingly commonly held opinion that all foriegn aid is good

    These seem to be two distinct points.

  • Rebecca Black

    “you are by trying to demean the Irish state at every opportunity, regardless of topic”

    come on now, its just terminology as maca says. In the unionist community we call the republic, the south of ireland, we’re not trying to demean it, its just how we refer to it.

    If I was going to be pedantic I could say that nationalists refering to Northern Ireland as “The North” is provocative….but I won’t because its just terminology.

  • maca

    Don’t quote me Rebecca, ‘cos there’s a chance we won’t agree on this issue 😉

  • George

    Willowfield,
    Ireland is a sovereign state recognised by the British government, the UN and everyone else.

    Show me one instance of the British government using the term Southern Ireland to describe the Irish state.

  • Dec

    Rebecca

    To be fair, the argument wasn’t over semantics. I refer to the South as ‘the South’ more often than not. What Willowfield was saying is that there is no such thing as an Irish citizen. Now maybe he’s right and my passport is wrong but it does go beyond terminology.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    I await evidence of a ‘Southern Irish’ passport from any of the unionist bloggers. I’ll await but as usual it will be to no avail. For some strange reason willowfield took the thread off topic, but strange behaviour is not unusual from that particular source.

    If Mrs Hassans’ family wishes to take up the offer of an Irish passport, that is exactly what they will get. A passport stating Irish nationality.
    Not some hyybrid distortion from a half witted contributor.

  • maca

    Mick
    “I made it clear in my post I was leaving Mrs Hassan to one side and what I was trying to do is consider the reason why many people regard those who work in the foreign aid field as always being good people.”

    Getchya. I think it’s a natural assumption though, we assume they work in the field because they want to help people. D’ya think?

  • smcgiff

    Don

  • George

    The two Italian (Romans to you Willowfield) women were released after 1 million dollars was paid in a ransom.

    There is a difference between these kidnappings and the group which kidnapped Bigley. I don’t think cash would have helped his case.

    Hierarchy of victimhood again. Hundreds of wealthy Iraqis have been kidnapped but not a whimper.

  • willowfield

    George

    Ireland is a sovereign state recognised by the British government, the UN and everyone else.

    Which is also

  • mickhall

    maca wrote,
    Getchya. I think it’s a natural assumption though, we assume they work in the field because they want to help people. D’ya think?

    maca
    It is a natural assumption, although im not sure it is a correct one to make. After all back in the days of the B. Specials, if asked why they joined, im sure the majority of these officers would have replied to help people, to serve the community etc. Few would take this at face value today, however to challenge what motivates aid workers is almost regarded as having sinful thoughts by some. To want to help people sounds all very noble but in reality reminds me of the average Miss World contestant on being asked what they wish to do in the future. I suspect the reasons why most aid workers ended up in that line of work are much more ordinary and not dissimilar to why many people enter into certain professions at a young age, money, power, travel, security, etc.

    Mick

  • Fraggle

    the irish passport is available to irish people from every part of ireland regardless of whether they have ever even been to ‘southern ireland’ or not so to say that the nationality is ‘southern irish’ seems foolish.

    however, this is a fairly small and meaningless squabble better held elsewhere than on this thread. willowfield may have been making the remark to piss off the people who will be pissed off by such things but i doubt it.

  • Colm

    mickhall

    When you question the automatic assumption of ‘goodness’ in relation to aid and humanitarian agencies are you referring to the wider issue of whether charitable aid encourages a dependency mentality that harms organic development , or are you questioning the motives efficiency and potential corruption of some organisations?

  • Colm

    Fraggle

    Willowfield has always had a very pedantic obsession with the use of the term Ireland and indeed the whole topic of correct nomenclature relating to the political set up of these islands north of France and south of Iceland (my attempt to avoid any offence by naming the said entities).

    He has raised it often before, and no doubt will do so again.

  • willowfield

    the irish passport is available to irish people from every part of ireland regardless of whether they have ever even been to ‘southern ireland’ or not so to say that the nationality is ‘southern irish’ seems foolish.

    That’s because Southern Ireland chooses to give citizenship to people outside Southern Ireland. It doesn’t mean it’s an all-Ireland passport.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    “A Southern Irish passport is one issued by the government of Southern Ireland which, as you know, is another name for the Irish republic. I

  • George

    Willowfield,
    Did you not know that your government signed up to a deal that allowed the people of Northern Ireland to be Irish citizens, British citizens or both?

    There are now around 280,000 fully paid up Irish citizens north of the border but only 17,000 southern Irish so you better get used to the difference as there has been a 700% increase since 1998.

    It seems to me that you are refusing to accept the rulings of your own democratically government now. Are you hoping that when you take your head back out of the sand it will all have been a horrible dream and all will be will in the UK of GB and NI?

  • mickhall

    mickhall

    When you question the automatic assumption of ‘goodness’ in relation to aid and humanitarian agencies are you referring to the wider issue of whether charitable aid encourages a dependency mentality that harms organic development , or are you questioning the motives efficiency and potential corruption of some organisations?

    Posted by: Colm

    Colm,

    I suppose I am questing both, That there is corruption around aid agencies is pretty obvious, if one looks around markets in the third world it is easy to comes across products for sale that should have gone directly to those in need. The other point you made about harming organic development is a more interesting and vital question and can easily be confused, often deliberately by some, with a dependency culture developing if aid is given, which is not how I see it. Myself I feel that many of the problems arise because some of the agencies do not think things through and see things from a western perspective. I have seen tractors made in the West sitting idle because spare parts are not available and never will be, Whereas a couple of bullocks to pull the plough may have been of better use in the first place. Who benefited in the long term from importing these tractors, I would suggest the western tractor manufacturer and our economies here.

    Many third world countries have a high number of graduates and skilled workers unemployed, this is especially true of Iraq. This being so why is there the need for all these western contractors in Iraq earning very high wages, which in the long run will be paid for by the Iraqi people. Much of the work they are doing is being commissioned by NGA, (Less now) and government department like the British Ministry of Overseas development. Sadly as far as aid is concerned it far to often seems a case of who pays the piper calls the tune. Some of those who work for aid agencies are saints, some are undoubtedly sinners, but most IM sure are like the rest of us, somewhere in between, all IM saying is like most things it pays dividends to question every thing to doubt.

    Mick

  • Davros

    Did you not know that your government signed up to a deal that allowed the people of Northern Ireland to be Irish citizens, British citizens or both?

    Gerege, surely even before the Belfast Agreement we had the options ?

  • George

    Davros,
    But the British government never admitted such a reality before. Remember it used to be “as British as Finchley not 20 years ago”. No room for being Irish there.

    I could never understand this but before the GFA it was apparently more difficult for people from Northern Ireland to get Irish citizenship. Maybe someone could explain it?

  • Davros

    I’m not sure that first part was correct George.

    I think what has changed is that one can now sort out Irish Citizenship through the British system rather than having to deal with the ROI itself.

  • willowfield

    Pat McLarnon

    Quite patently untrue, Southern Ireland passports do not exist.

    Zzzzzzz

    As you well know, Southern Ireland is another name for the Republic of Ireland, which issues passports. Stop playing dumb: you’re too convincing sometimes.

    Quite patently untrue, in your pedantic little journey you went off topic right away and brought up nationality.

    It wasn’t off-topic to bring up nationality: the woman’s nationality was relevant to the thread. It was off-topic for you to start quibbling about terminology when you know very well that Southern Ireland is another name for the Republic.

    There is no such nationality as ‘Southern Irish’.

    There is: it is the nationality of Southern Ireland, i.e. the ROI.

    Quite patently untrue, passports stating ‘Southern Irish’ do not exist

    Just because they don’t state ‘Southern Irish’ doesn’t mean they’re not issued by Southern Ireland! Southern Ireland calls itself “Ireland”, but that doesn’t mean it actually is Ireland: presumably you’re aware that Northern Ireland is part of the UK!

    George

    Did you not know that your government signed up to a deal that allowed the people of Northern Ireland to be Irish citizens, British citizens or both?

    They can be Southern Irish citizens as well as being British citizens.

    There are now around 280,000 fully paid up Irish citizens north of the border but only 17,000 southern Irish so you better get used to the difference as there has been a 700% increase since 1998.

    Southern Irish citizenship and what you describe as “Irish citizenship” are the same thing!!

    It seems to me that you are refusing to accept the rulings of your own democratically government now.

    Then you’re barmy.

    Are you hoping that when you take your head back out of the sand it will all have been a horrible dream and all will be will in the UK of GB and NI?

    The above doesn’t make sense to me.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Just to keep you happy willowfield everyone else will ignore internationally recognised legislation and terminology and resort to willowfieldisms.
    In that little world all you do is make up names for whatever takes your fancy, including nationality. In can be a tad confusing for everyone else, but as long as you are happy and contented and it aids your recovery then all well and good.

  • willowfield

    Stop pretending you don’t know that the Republic is also known as Southern Ireland. The name is not confusing in the least.

  • Davros
  • George

    Davros,
    I checked those links:

    “The Senate of Southern Ireland, 1921”
    This was created under Westminster legislation under the Government of Ireland Act 1920. Are you trying to say that the legitimate parliament of the Irish state is The House of Commons of Southern Ireland that the British tried to foist on us by force of arms against our democratic will. Do you deny Dail Eireann is the legitimate parliament of my country?

    “southern Ireland”
    A German Marxist website. Need I say more?

    “Southern Ireland accomodation”
    An amateur British website that can’t even spell “Northern Ireland”.

    “Health care in Southern Ireland report”
    British firm who actually use Republic of Ireland in the text

    “Self-catering holiday and vacation accommodation to rent in County Wexford, Southern Ireland.”
    The Warren family have lived there for generations apparently. They use Ireland as their postal address.

    So Willowfield is in the company of Marxists and British Imperialists who refuse to recognise my democratically elected parliament. What’s the word for such people Willowfield?

    As I said before, the use of Southern Ireland as a political rather than geographical term is the same as “North of Ireland” or “six counties”.

  • willowfield

    George

    Do you really think we believe you don’t know what Southern Ireland refers to? You’ve never heard it used as an alternative name to ROI?

    We’re not that gullible!

  • Davros

    Now Now George – the links I provided were to prove, contrary to claims made here, that “Southern Ireland” is something dreamed up by Willowfield and not in common currency.
    It is used commonly.

    Look again , I’m sure it’s a mistake on your behalf. The BOOK “is southern Ireland a neo-colony ” was Published in DUBLIN- which last time I checked was in the Republic of Ireland.

  • Davros

    “The Senate of Southern Ireland, 1921”
    This was created under Westminster legislation under the Government of Ireland Act 1920. Are you trying to say that the legitimate parliament of the Irish state is The House of Commons of Southern Ireland that the British tried to foist on us by force of arms against our democratic will. Do you deny Dail Eireann is the legitimate parliament of my country?

    Don’t be childish George. You DO realise that Ireland still has a Senate ?

  • Colm

    mickhall

    Amidst the mountain of meaningless trivial and excrutiatingly pedantic arguments above I spotted your thoughtful and interesting response to my question about the ‘goodness’ of development aid and want to thank you for your reply.

    While it is undeniably true that innocent human incompetence mixed with nefarious political ‘realities’ often result in aid being wasted or misused I think it is safe to say that Mrs Hassan (remember her? willowfield and co) was a genuine frontline contributor to real progress in the lives of ordinary Iraqi’s and let’s hope that whether she was born in ‘Ireland’ ‘Southern Ireland’ ‘Eire’ or ‘the 26 counties’ she is soon freed to continue her excellent work (if she chooses) and enjoy many more years on this planet.

  • George

    Davros,
    I’m not being childish. Ball please.
    The senate of Southern Ireland you refer to was one enforced by British military might against the democratic will of the Irish people.
    It was attended by the Lord Chancellor, five Barons, ten earls, a viscount, a marquis, and a bunch handpicked by the Lord Lieutenant. Hardly representative.

    The term is offensive when used in a political context like “Southern Irish citizen” or the state of Southern Ireland. This was the name enforced by Westminster legislation in 1920 by the occupying power. Simple as that.

    As I said. It’s the same as using six counties or North of Ireland. Please tell me where you see the difference.

    Marxist.de is a German Marxist website.

  • mickhall

    Colm wrote,
    mickhall
    While it is undeniably true that innocent human incompetence mixed with nefarious political ‘realities’ often result in aid being wasted or misused I think it is safe to say that Mrs Hassan (remember her? willowfield and co) was a genuine frontline contributor to real progress in the lives of ordinary Iraqi’s and let’s hope that whether she was born in ‘Ireland’ ‘Southern Ireland’ ‘Eire’ or ‘the 26 counties’ she is soon freed to continue her excellent work (if she chooses) and enjoy many more years on this planet.

    Colm,

    Absolutely and I would like to think this is one thing we can all agree on

    Best regards,

    Mick

  • Davros

    Marxist.de IS a german website. The BOOK was published in DUBLIN. It was the fact that a Dublin published Book by an IRISH writer uses the term southern Ireland that was important.

    As for ball, not man- where did I make ANY claim that the Dail is NOT the legitemate parliament of Southern Ireland ? That sort of twisting of a post is childish George. Sorry.

    You may not like Willowfield using the term Southern Ireland. However it is WRONG to deny that it is a term in common Currency.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Could someone please link to a site that specifically refers to ‘Southern Irish nationality’?

    Could anyone prove that a legalistic term of ‘Southern Irish’ even exists?

    Could anyone provide a copy of a passport that states ‘Southern Irish’?

  • willowfield

    George

    The senate of Southern Ireland you refer to was one enforced by British military might against the democratic will of the Irish people.
    It was attended by the Lord Chancellor, five Barons, ten earls, a viscount, a marquis, and a bunch handpicked by the Lord Lieutenant. Hardly representative.

    You are, of course, right, that the Senate referred to is not the same as the Senate established by De Valera’s constitution. But you are wrong to say that it was “enforced by British military might”: it was enacted by a vote in Parliament.

    As I said. It’s the same as using six counties or North of Ireland. Please tell me where you see the difference.

    It’s not, because the name “Northern Ireland” clearly refers to Northern Ireland. The name “Ireland”, however, does not clearly refer to ROI, hence the need to use alternative names such as Southern Ireland.

  • George

    Willowfield,
    you can use Republic of Ireland like all British official documentation does.
    Southern Ireland is a loaded term which is why the British state or any other official body would never use it. Either you respect your neighbours or you don’t.

    I ask myself why it is that seemingly intelligent people use a name for my country that was selected by the British Government in 1920 to try and usurp the democratically elected government of my country, namely Dail Eireann.
    What worries me is that these seemingly intelligent people are probably the same people who say nothing when their fellow citizens burn my national flag as part of an annual ritual.

    Davros,
    it was a parliament imposed against our will and the British did use military force in an attempt to legitimise it.

  • George

    Davros,
    can I quote the IRSP when I want to use other terms for Northern Ireland?
    Please give me a break. An Irish marxist called it southern Ireland so that’s ok?!
    I’ll be able to call Britain an “imperialist culture” so (on same website).

    By using the term Southern Ireland you are indirectly lending legitimacy to an illegal parliament. Just like your slip about the “Senate” being the same as Seanad Eireann. You don’t see any difference obviously. That is a shame for you. It doesn’t make me childish because I refuse to allow you get away with such inbuilt prejudices.

    Why is it that you seem to believe you can decide what is the correct name for my country?

    As I said before, it’s like those people who still call Zimbabwe Rhodesia.

  • Davros

    George, let’s agree to differ and shake hands.

  • smcgiff

    Southern Ireland is used by some people in everyday speech – Fact.
    Some people refer to travellers as knackers – Fact.
    People refer to Liverpudlians(sp) as Scousers – Fact.
    English people are sometimes called John Bull – Fact.
    There is no such thing as a John Bull Citizen – Fact.
    There is no such thing as a Southern Irish Citizen – Fact.
    The Republic of Ireland (Ireland) is a country with International presence (President of the EU etc)

  • Davros

    George : We are arguing at Cross purposes. I am ONLY interested in showing that it was wrong to claim or imply that Willowfield was somehow unique in referring to “Southern Ireland”. You may not like the term. You may argue with him as to whether it’s a valid term. But the ONLY point I wish to make ghere is that it’s a term in common useage.

  • willowfield

    George

    you can use Republic of Ireland like all British official documentation does.
    Southern Ireland is a loaded term which is why the British state or any other official body would never use it. Either you respect your neighbours or you don’t.

    Why is it loaded? If my neighbours choose not to respect NI by using a loaded name in their constitution, then they can’t expect people from NI to respect the name!

    I ask myself why it is that seemingly intelligent people use a name for my country that was selected by the British Government in 1920 to try and usurp the democratically elected government of my country, namely Dail Eireann.

    I think you’re getting a bit carried away, George. The reason people use Southern Ireland is to distinguish it from Northern Ireland: same way as people talk about “the South”, or “North/South” when distinguishing between the two states on the island. It’s got nothing to do with the 1920 Act.

    it was a parliament imposed against our will and the British did use military force in an attempt to legitimise it.

    They didn’t.

    By using the term Southern Ireland you are indirectly lending legitimacy to an illegal parliament.

    Dear, dear. Wise up!! It’s got nothing to do with an “illegal parliament”!

    As I said before, it’s like those people who still call Zimbabwe Rhodesia.

    It’s not.

    smcgiff

    Saying the ROI should not be referred to as Ireland, would be similar to saying Paris should describe itself as Paris, France, because there is another Paris in Texas (population 26,000)

  • Colm

    Right you lot. I am setting myself up as judge jury and executioner. This thread is now running round in circles and far more heat is being generated than light. It should now be closed.

    Let Shakespeare have the final words on the topic of correct names…. “A Rose by another name…” and all that.

    Let us not forget this thread was originally about Mrs Hassan currently being held kidnapped in Iraq.

    Anyone who posts a comment after this one continuing the sterile old argument above can be deemed to be insulting her plight.

    Shameless pedants reveal yourselves now.

  • Diarmuid

    This was a good laugh to read!!!

    As an irish citizen(not southern Irish) I will gladly scan pages from my passport to prove that the term “Souther Irish” is used mainly by unionists/loyalists.

    I must say again….this was a good laught!!!