Pogroms vs ethnic cleansing?

There’s an interesting letter in today’s Irish News which argues that whilst the dramatic movement of mostly Catholic populations in the early (1969-1971) period of the troubles are a matter of historical record, the massive shifts in Protestant populations over the time since have gone largely unnamed and unrecognised:

“…what has happened in Torrens, Whitewell, Longlands, Oldpark, Cliftonville, New Lodge, Antrim Road, Cavehill Road, Ardoyne, Ligoniel and parts of Glengormley where Protestants have been ethnically cleansed”.

“I emphasise ‘ethnically cleansed’ because a reader of the Irish News from Dungannon (September 13) said there was no ethnic cleansing against Protestants. I point to Coalisland, Dungannon and Pomeroy and ask: ‘Where have all the Prods gone?'”

  • maca

    “I point to Coalisland, Dungannon and Pomeroy and ask: ‘Where have all the Prods gone?'”

    I presume in the article he actually has some evidence to back it up? Just curious.

  • Davros

    It’s a letter not an article Maca.

    Certainly there have been huge changes in residential patterning. There was a degree of integration… How many people remember that Rathcool was mixed and the birthplace of Bobby Sands and that the Garvaghy Rd was mixed ?

    Now there is a mosaic rather than an intermingling.

    I would be interested to see how the % of Protestant/RC has changed in Belfast.
    Dublin at the beginning of the 18th Century was 65% Protestant: 35% Roman Catholic and by the end of the 18th century was 35% Protestant:65% RC.
    Population change is therefore nothing new .
    The regression is that the communities are ghettoising themselves. It would be interesting to compare working Class areas with the more afflent areas. I doubt if there is the same segregation- either enforced or self-imposed- in “naice” areas.

  • maca

    “It’s a letter not an article”
    nitpicker 😉

    No doubt some “””ethnic cleansing””” has occurred in NI, have they made any studies on population movement and how it might compare to other countries?

  • Davros

    LOL Sorry , what I meant was that Letters don’t often have references and supporting data.

  • chunkyguy

    I havent read the lettter as im not registered with the irish news- but i have a special interest in this topic- was recently reading henry mcdonalds excellent book on the uda- here he states in the late 60s a lot of catholics moved out from the slums of inner belfast to find a better life in nabbey including rathcoole however the uda reversed that policy with subsequent house intimidations and now the likes of rathcoole is exclusivley prod-

  • chunkyguy

    I havent read the lettter as im not registered with the irish news- but i have a special interest in this topic- was recently reading henry mcdonalds excellent book on the uda- here he states in the late 60s a lot of catholics moved out from the slums of inner belfast to find a better life in nabbey including rathcoole however the uda reversed that policy with subsequent house intimidations and now the likes of rathcoole is exclusivley prod-

  • Millie

    It’s true that the Troubles has had the effect of de-populating Protestant Belfast, while the Catholic population of Belfast has risen to nearly 50%.

    It’s all about safety in numbers. Protestants have left the inner-city areas of the city to estates and new housing projects on the outskirts and further afield in the Greater Belfast area. On the other hand, Catholics have been reluctant to move in the same direction since there are no discernable ‘nationalist’ areas in the wider Greater Belfast area, so they tend to move into already overcrowded nationalist areas in Belfast.

  • James

    “It’s all about safety in numbers. Protestants have left the inner-city areas of the city to estates and new housing projects on the outskirts and further afield in the Greater Belfast area. On the other hand, Catholics have been reluctant to move in the same direction since there are no discernable ‘nationalist’ areas in the wider Greater Belfast area, so they tend to move into already overcrowded nationalist areas in Belfast.”

    Nothing ever changes.

    That’s a dead ringer for the White Flight of the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s.