Bad report for students…

A FEW days ago I asked Suzanne Breen how she was coping with the new influx of students in South Belfast. She gives her answer today in the News Letter – and it’s not a glowing report by any means.

Update: Alex Maskey wants something done before the problem spreads. A South Belfast building moratorium?

But what I also want to know is, how come if students are so poor and have to pay tuition fees and so on, why is it impossible to park in the Holy Land area from October? Perhaps if Daddy’s present to his clever kid for doing well in their A-levels was the cost of tuition fees instead of a new Corsa, there wouldn’t be so much to complain about?! Or are students just unafraid of debt these days? God, I sound old.

  • Ziznivy

    The odd burst of drunken song I can understand, but living in student land the animal howling does perturb me. Not half so much as students playing Garth Brooks at loud volume though. isn’t acquiring a third level education accompanied by any elevation of taste!!???

    The particular mention of Armagh, Fermanagh and Tyrone particularly amused me, as most wanton destruction under my window acquire a sountrack of these accents.

  • peteb

    You actually sound old and jealous, Gonzo ;o)

  • Belfast Gonzo

    Aye, me and Vance are going on the next series of ‘Grumpy Old Men’…

  • peteb

    I can see just imagine it, Gonzo…

    the new “Clarkson and A A Gill” double act.

    (I’d even pay the licence to see it.. ooops)

  • David Vance

    HEY!

    Just one moment….don’t think I wasn’t listening. The thing about young people nowadays is……in my day students knew their place, up a Chimney..grumble grumble….

  • Igor Gallagher

    The students aren’t that bad – I had a car in the holylands for a few years – the only damage done to it was by spides trying to break into it. A bit of noise maybe, but if it’s that bad any resident would certainly sell the house for a hell of a lot more now than they paid for it – the reasoning of one the residents I used to live beside and still see on occasion

  • Belfast Gonzo

    When was the last time you spent any time there though, Igor?

    Will you be coming back for the now annual St Patrick’s Day riot?

    ;o)

  • idunnomeself

    I’ve a mate lives there, in new apartments. He has bought ear plugs, and assures me they work quite well.

    I’ve lived as a student in several places and can categorically say that they are worse behaved there than anywhere else I have been/ seen.

    Football/ GAA/ Hurling matches in the street at 4 in the morning, bottles flying, serious noise, constant parties and houses being trashed. And this goes on all through the week. In the summer they put stereos and sofas in the street and binge drink in the road. It terrifies the (elderly) residents.

    He got his own back when he sued some parents at his work on behalf of their landlord. He had to try and explain why innocent little Samuel had slashed a hole in his mattress (to hide his drugs in Mrs Samuel)

  • Alan

    I blame most of this on the Landlords. Buy a house, rent it, forget about it and sell it for a whopping profit. Most of the decline in South Belfast is down to the activities of these rentiers. In 1979 I remember many families in the Holy Land, now where have they gone? It’s the same on the Lisburn Rd, Donegal Road and the Stranmillis Rd at the shops.

    When you have a home owner or a family tenancy next to you, you know who to complain to when something happens. When it’s an HMO who do you go to?

    We need HMO registration, with registration of the owner, not the rental agents (who are useless in this regard). We need tenancy agreements that include strong anti-social behaviour clauses – in fact any tenancy agreements would be useful in some cases.

    We could also do with legislation on maintaining the exterior of HMO’s, take a walk along some of the streets in question and see the tumbling walls, miniature jungles and hanging fences. Perhaps we should ask Health and Safety to look into these businesses.

    Oh, the students – how’s about a three strikes policy for Queens, BIFHE and UU for bringing their institutions into disrepute.

  • PS

    Re The complaint about the cars, I don’t think this is a fair point since after 5pm the number of cars in the Holylands area is greatly reduced, which means that the majority of those parking during the day are commuters working in belfast rather than students.

  • davidbrew

    couldn’t Alex get Joe O’Donnell to build some student flats in his back garden, solving 2 problems at once?

  • PS

    Well done David for that revealing insight into what is actually a serious problem for a lot of people.

  • katie

    I am a student living in carmel street, and i can honestly say that from my experiences, the holylands are not the drunken haven of stupid, irresponsible culchies that the media has painted it as. I sympathise with residents/professionals living there who have encountered problems with students and understand they have every right to be angry and upset. However, it is obviously a campaign by the media to use this story as a headline grabber when, in my opinion, it is not as urgent as it has been portrayed to be.

  • martina

    i used to live in jerusalem street in the late sixties and early seventies …and i hate to think about what ha become of the house we grew up in …last time back to belfast it was destroyed from what i could see onthe outside i can only imagine what the inside looked like /

  • martina

    does anyone know if the mcmullans still live on Jerusalem street ? Gillian mcmullan ??
    maybe she lives on carmel street now

  • doodaa

    As someone else mentioned most of the cars in the holylands are from commuters who park there during the day, as is the case during the summer months when there are no students about. These all disappear after 6 o clock or so.

    I would also like to say that the holylands isnt as bad as the media has portrayed in the past.
    Fair enough St paddys usually gets rowdy and the night that the programme was filmed i think was halloween night so everyone was out on the streets.
    It isnt like that 7 nights a week for the whole term time as some would have you believe.

    One more thing dont tar all the students in the holylands with the same brush due to a few eejits running about acting the dick, most are content to go out have a drink enjoy themselves and head home to bed.
    My 2 cents

  • doodaa

    As someone else mentioned most of the cars in the holylands are from commuters who park there during the day, as is the case during the summer months when there are no students about. These all disappear after 6 o clock or so.

    I would also like to say that the holylands isnt as bad as the media has portrayed in the past.
    Fair enough St paddys usually gets rowdy and the night that the programme was filmed i think was halloween night so everyone was out on the streets.
    It isnt like that 7 nights a week for the whole term time as some would have you believe.

    One more thing dont tar all the students in the holylands with the same brush due to a few eejits running about acting the dick, most are content to go out have a drink enjoy themselves and head home to bed.
    My 2 cents

  • PedanticScot

    It’s also worth remebering that the streets of Belfast are incredibly empty of people at night compared with similar sized British cities- and I include the “Golden Mile” in that. I would have thought noisy neighbours would be more of a problem than street noise.

  • ApologeticPedant

    I remeMber a time when spelling was important- forgive the typo.

  • redpaul

    Martina

    Gillian and her family moved from the Holylands about 18 months ago. The reason? Constant parties around them by student neighbours. I frequently met her going to work in the mornings and she was exhausted. Same for her daughter going to school.

  • martina

    redpaul
    thanks so much for responding .
    Gillian was one of my best friends when i lived in befast i grew up there in the 60’s and 70’s and then moved to the states in 1980 ..
    do you still see her ? i will be coming home next sept and would love to see her and her family ..if you see her could you get me her new address or phone number or a way i could get intouch with her …or i could give you mine to give to her so she could contact me ..that would be great …are you from the area ??
    martina

  • mona

    could anyone please tell me if the holy lands, particularly jerusalem st is busy/loud, out of term time? is it safe to leave my car outside my brothers house there during non term time?

  • james boyle

    hi martina , i have gillian mcmullans telephone number if you want to send us an email,they moved to knockbreda.me and my family had to get out of the queens ghetto for all the above and more reasons

  • thebuckcat

    What a pity police, housing executive, the universities and other statutary bodies didnt listen to the old Holyland Residents committee several years ago when they asked for a moritorium on planning applications for HMO’s? Has anybody ever queried why some of these landlords use acrynoms instead their names when advertising properties to let? Could it be they are filtering “slush money” for others? Perhaps the Inland Revenue and ARA could look into the more obvious of these landlords? WATCH THIS SPACE!

  • thebuckcat

    What a pity police, housing executive, the universities and other statutary bodies didnt listen to the old Holyland Residents committee several years ago when they asked for a moritorium on planning applications for HMO’s? Has anybody ever queried why some of these landlords use acrynoms instead their names when advertising properties to let? Could it be they are filtering “slush money” for others? Perhaps the Inland Revenue and ARA could look into the more obvious of these landlords? WATCH THIS SPACE!

  • martina

    Hi James ..
    i would love to have Gillian’s telephone number
    im not sure where knockbreda is since it has been a while from ive been home my e-mail address is
    sweeney@penn-america.com e-mail me and we can talk there ..thanks so much
    Martina

  • martina

    Hi James ..
    i would love to have Gillian’s telephone number
    im not sure where knockbreda is since it has been a while from ive been home my e-mail address is
    sweeney@penn-america.com e-mail me and we can talk there ..thanks so much
    Martina

  • james

    hi martina
    sorry ive made an error it is a gillian mcmasters
    that we know who used to live in carmel st they left about 3 years back .

  • stu

    I’m with Alan on this; blame the landlords. Not so long ago, I did a year at Queen’s, had a nice house on the Lisburn Road, very quiet, nice friendly atmosphere and so on. The house was a standard 2-up 2-down, and the rent was a reasonable

  • martina

    thats ok James thanks for trying …