Mick – FF were not merely ‘on the bridge’ when SS Ireland struck doom – their cronyism and corruption was completely out of control. The ‘ice berg’ was no tragic mishap but a deliberately created, by unfettered free market corporatism, bubble – which did which bubbles do. FF willfully steered SS Ireland directly into the ‘iceberg’ then transferred huge amounts of private debt into public hands. Inflicting crippling economic crisis on populations – and getting away with it – this is the new domestic terrorism.
you are not at liberty to edit the content of my comments, which was: ‘rampant disregard for proper war protocol’ – suggests no flippancy on the issue.
Without having time right now go into various sources, the decline in fertility is connected more to factors such as drugging (particularly long-term use of contraceptives but also wide range of other medications are being discovered to have a detrimental effect on fertility) and pollution or toxicity of which there is an increasingly wide exposure to (e.g. plastics ingested causes infertility in shellfish)
As stated on John’s thread, the pro-unborn life campaign is made up from highly ideological people. Practicalities and realities, they generally don’t wish to discuss.
For example – not just the demand for abortion (conservative estimate 4000 citizens per yr in the south) .by women who, for a very wide number of complex reasons, avail of it – but in the instance of those abortions being unavailable, the ‘unwanted’ children (conservative estimate 4000 per yr) who require proper care.
Perhaps the reason for ignoring such messy realities is that it interferes with pro-unborn-life movement’s ideology – it’s ultimate desire nOT being for the welfare of children – but for purity. To hold Ireland up as an unstained snowy sheet in a world of sin – an unobtainable desire – needless to say.
Although it can’t be denied that some women do use abortion as a form of contraceptive, most women do not like abortion and hence do not use it lightly, if at all. That’s my experience, which can’t be backed by research because it doesn’t exist – I mean why spend money asking women about their needs and motivations?
oakleaf
I meant the collective ‘you’ not the singular.
To re phrase it – the pro-life campaigners that I’ve engaged with, focus exclusively on unborn life, This suggests (a) their title is wrong/misleading (b) their concern with life is ideological not practical.
Any answer to my first question – your solution to the 4000 citizens availing of abortions elsewhere?
oakleaf Wee buns this new law will be probably go to court and in a matter of a few years there will be abortion on demand until the moment before birth.
Erm – don’t thinks so actually – but conjecture aside – what about the reality of 4000 plus women per year travelling to England – would you have them arrested at the airport – or is it a case of the usual anti abortion ivory tower hypocrisy, happy to export real life problems elsewhere? What is your solution?
The second point being that – If you are ‘pro life’ the outrage does not seem to extend to sanctity for all life, just unborn life – hard to understand that particular bias.
Front page and editorial of the Financial Times – saying what the forelock tugging suits in power are too cowardly to say about the EU – and then taking flak from the Irish press for daring to speak on behalf of the people! He has widespread public support – how disgracefully out of touch is the southern meeja.
Seamus
The thing that I wonder about is that many, many existing children are victims of war, poverty, torture and natural disaster – yet ‘pro life’ campaigners never get hot under the collar about those children’s lives and rights – I wonder why not? Why are they not standing outside the Syrian Embassy with placards of murdered children?
Pro-life and pro-choice:- ne’er the twain shall meet.
So we have now legislation designed to make it as difficult as possible to have an abortion in this state – so probably still much easier to go to England and that’s the whole point – forget what women need – keep the Center Right happy.
If it’s a contest between FF’s past of rampant nepotism/desecration and SF’s past of rampant disregard for proper war protocol – I’m not sure which the volatile southern electorate shall find most immanently immoral.
O Callaghan has her strengths but ultimately she is a highly paid RTE hack – pro government naturally – and anyone who digests the full scope of RTE reportage can’t miss the bias – refusal to cover major stories that might not fit with the illusion of FG government –think. Protests are happening regularly outside RTE with regards to their blatant propagandizing. Very much woth a watch is:
On that note – this type of interview with Adams is trite – and of low journalistic quality given the spectrum of current issues which they are oblidged to cover but refuse to.
Iceland has done really really well.
They have burned the bondholders and jailed some bankers.
They are completely self sufficient energy wise.
We never hear enough about their achievements – RTE propaganda rules of course.
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Comment on Adams’s extended RTE interview on political murder turns the southern clock right back for Sinn Fein…
on 9 May 2013 at 11:31 am
Mick – FF were not merely ‘on the bridge’ when SS Ireland struck doom – their cronyism and corruption was completely out of control. The ‘ice berg’ was no tragic mishap but a deliberately created, by unfettered free market corporatism, bubble – which did which bubbles do. FF willfully steered SS Ireland directly into the ‘iceberg’ then transferred huge amounts of private debt into public hands. Inflicting crippling economic crisis on populations – and getting away with it – this is the new domestic terrorism.
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Comment on Adams’s extended RTE interview on political murder turns the southern clock right back for Sinn Fein…
on 8 May 2013 at 6:31 pm
westprog
you are not at liberty to edit the content of my comments, which was:
‘rampant disregard for proper war protocol’ – suggests no flippancy on the issue.
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Comment on The struggle for abortion and other reform north and south is far from over
on 8 May 2013 at 1:35 pm
Without having time right now go into various sources, the decline in fertility is connected more to factors such as drugging (particularly long-term use of contraceptives but also wide range of other medications are being discovered to have a detrimental effect on fertility) and pollution or toxicity of which there is an increasingly wide exposure to (e.g. plastics ingested causes infertility in shellfish)
As stated on John’s thread, the pro-unborn life campaign is made up from highly ideological people. Practicalities and realities, they generally don’t wish to discuss.
For example – not just the demand for abortion (conservative estimate 4000 citizens per yr in the south) .by women who, for a very wide number of complex reasons, avail of it – but in the instance of those abortions being unavailable, the ‘unwanted’ children (conservative estimate 4000 per yr) who require proper care.
Perhaps the reason for ignoring such messy realities is that it interferes with pro-unborn-life movement’s ideology – it’s ultimate desire nOT being for the welfare of children – but for purity. To hold Ireland up as an unstained snowy sheet in a world of sin – an unobtainable desire – needless to say.
Although it can’t be denied that some women do use abortion as a form of contraceptive, most women do not like abortion and hence do not use it lightly, if at all. That’s my experience, which can’t be backed by research because it doesn’t exist – I mean why spend money asking women about their needs and motivations?
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Comment on Uniting Ireland: no #abortion, no #equalmarriage
on 6 May 2013 at 12:47 am
oakleaf
I meant the collective ‘you’ not the singular.
To re phrase it – the pro-life campaigners that I’ve engaged with, focus exclusively on unborn life, This suggests (a) their title is wrong/misleading (b) their concern with life is ideological not practical.
Any answer to my first question – your solution to the 4000 citizens availing of abortions elsewhere?
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Comment on Uniting Ireland: no #abortion, no #equalmarriage
on 6 May 2013 at 12:20 am
oakleaf
Wee buns this new law will be probably go to court and in a matter of a few years there will be abortion on demand until the moment before birth.
Erm – don’t thinks so actually – but conjecture aside – what about the reality of 4000 plus women per year travelling to England – would you have them arrested at the airport – or is it a case of the usual anti abortion ivory tower hypocrisy, happy to export real life problems elsewhere? What is your solution?
The second point being that – If you are ‘pro life’ the outrage does not seem to extend to sanctity for all life, just unborn life – hard to understand that particular bias.
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Comment on Open thread for the holiday weekend (usual rules doubly apply)…
on 5 May 2013 at 11:59 pm
Anyone else LOVING Michael D this week?!
Front page and editorial of the Financial Times – saying what the forelock tugging suits in power are too cowardly to say about the EU – and then taking flak from the Irish press for daring to speak on behalf of the people! He has widespread public support – how disgracefully out of touch is the southern meeja.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/62061bc4-b280-11e2-a388-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2SSPfPHCT
Rory
Scúp sounds good – but I failed to unlock the parental guidance feature so can’t peek.
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Comment on Uniting Ireland: no #abortion, no #equalmarriage
on 5 May 2013 at 11:47 pm
Seamus
The thing that I wonder about is that many, many existing children are victims of war, poverty, torture and natural disaster – yet ‘pro life’ campaigners never get hot under the collar about those children’s lives and rights – I wonder why not? Why are they not standing outside the Syrian Embassy with placards of murdered children?
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Comment on Uniting Ireland: no #abortion, no #equalmarriage
on 4 May 2013 at 12:02 am
Pro-life and pro-choice:- ne’er the twain shall meet.
So we have now legislation designed to make it as difficult as possible to have an abortion in this state – so probably still much easier to go to England and that’s the whole point – forget what women need – keep the Center Right happy.
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Comment on Adams’s extended RTE interview on political murder turns the southern clock right back for Sinn Fein…
on 3 May 2013 at 9:50 pm
If it’s a contest between FF’s past of rampant nepotism/desecration and SF’s past of rampant disregard for proper war protocol – I’m not sure which the volatile southern electorate shall find most immanently immoral.
O Callaghan has her strengths but ultimately she is a highly paid RTE hack – pro government naturally – and anyone who digests the full scope of RTE reportage can’t miss the bias – refusal to cover major stories that might not fit with the illusion of FG government –think. Protests are happening regularly outside RTE with regards to their blatant propagandizing. Very much woth a watch is:
http://youtu.be/ZBme8krcyOU
On that note – this type of interview with Adams is trite – and of low journalistic quality given the spectrum of current issues which they are oblidged to cover but refuse to.
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Comment on Icelandic dinosaurs, elections and the fate of their crowd-sourced constitution … and a link to equal marriage
on 27 April 2013 at 12:29 am
Iceland has done really really well.
They have burned the bondholders and jailed some bankers.
They are completely self sufficient energy wise.
We never hear enough about their achievements – RTE propaganda rules of course.
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