Son of Sam raises an interesting point regarding provincial newspapers. Their influence should not be underestimated and interestingly the Derry Journal is a case in point.
While that paper has columnists who are somewhat independent (Eamon McCann and ex cop Norman Hamill) the papers overall coverage of all things Sinn Fein verges on the propogandist. Indeed a perusal of bylines in the “Journal” is usually a dead giveaway before you read a word of the story below the name.
More bread and circuses ! Martin McGuinness up in Portrush basking in reflective glory. As I remember ,his old buddies used to assasinate people at golf clubs !!
So Peter Robinson has a pond the size of the Creggan reservoir. How the other half live, eh ? This should endear him further to the working class voters of East Belfast who don’t have a pot to piss in never mind a pond full of expensive carp.
In Derry it makes sense for parties to canvass where it might be perceived that they have little support. Particularly in the case of the SDLP candidates. Many SDLP candidates are respected across the traditional “divide” and as it’s a PR election transfers will be significant in the end up. So votes should be asked for wherever they can be found. It’s called democracy and this is a good example of how it works well.
Maybe the Shinners put it up themselves to attract a bit of a sympathy vote or to encourage the proper form of outrage that will get their voters out on polling day.
It wouldn’t be the first time something like this has “mysteriously” happened to their candidates in the run up to an election when all through the rest of the year they aren’t touched at all. Remember O’Dowds auld jallopy that was only worth the scrap value got petrol bombed and somebody with poor vision petrol bombed the wall outside Mitchel McLaughlins house ! Both incidents at election time.
You obviously haven’t read the Good Friday Agreement either. There is nothing in it that says there will be a united Ireland when “unionist people agree to be so”.
However, there is mention of a majority of people agreeing on unification. That is an entirely different thing from Unionist people agreeing. Unionists won’t have a veto on this one when the time comes. A majority is a majority no matter what the political make up of it is.
Going by that it turns out I am a Labour man through and through. Which is kind of funny as if I had a vote that’s who I would have voted for. The rest didn’t even come into the reckoning.
I too was at the infamous “night in November”. My recollection of the disgraceful scenes is very far away from yours. It was not a vocal minority that night at Windsor but in actual fact the vast majority who were hurling venemous abuse of the “trick or treat” variety and creating an unmistakeable rendition of “dirty Fenian bastards” which, I am led to believe, was very audible to the television viewer too. I heard it with my own ears and I saw Billy Bingham conducting the same choir who were singing about being “up to their necks in Fenian blood”.
Jack Charlton wasn’t too chuffed with Mr Bingham either, as I recall.
It looks like Driftwood has floated off down the Foyle along with Gregory Campbell in his bubble. Not a word.
I would be interested to hear back from you Mr Campbell as you are the original author of this thread. Are you capable of debating the points raised by people here ?
As someone who lived, at the time, close to where the two policemen you mention were murdered (yes I use the same word to describe their deaths too), I can state, without fear of contradiction, that a very large majority of people in my neighbourhood abhorred the circumstances of their death and were deeply saddened and sorrowful.
Unfortunately, what happened on Bloody Sunday cast a dark shadow which oblitereted the sorrow that good people had for the two police officers. Their sorrow still existed you just wouldn’t have heard it after what heppened to their friends and neighbours on the following Sunday. For that, Mr Campbell, you can blame those who were responsible for the massacre a few days later.
Whataboutery is very different to the kernel of what most of the posts on this subject are saying. If anything, Slugger allowed Mr Campbell to kick off the whataboutery (thereby ignoring what you previously said on the subject).
Mr Campbell is the one who mentioned “context” and others here are simply pointing out that if he wishes to plough that particular furrow then he would need to take a good look over the entire field of context.
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on 25 April 2012 at 8:46 pm
Son of Sam raises an interesting point regarding provincial newspapers. Their influence should not be underestimated and interestingly the Derry Journal is a case in point.
While that paper has columnists who are somewhat independent (Eamon McCann and ex cop Norman Hamill) the papers overall coverage of all things Sinn Fein verges on the propogandist. Indeed a perusal of bylines in the “Journal” is usually a dead giveaway before you read a word of the story below the name.
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More bread and circuses ! Martin McGuinness up in Portrush basking in reflective glory. As I remember ,his old buddies used to assasinate people at golf clubs !!
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Comment on Tweeting Fishy Minister makes it a Twitter election after all?
on 1 May 2011 at 8:50 pm
So Peter Robinson has a pond the size of the Creggan reservoir. How the other half live, eh ? This should endear him further to the working class voters of East Belfast who don’t have a pot to piss in never mind a pond full of expensive carp.
Yet more swish from the family Robinson.
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Comment on Pushing at boundaries
on 1 May 2011 at 8:35 pm
In Derry it makes sense for parties to canvass where it might be perceived that they have little support. Particularly in the case of the SDLP candidates. Many SDLP candidates are respected across the traditional “divide” and as it’s a PR election transfers will be significant in the end up. So votes should be asked for wherever they can be found. It’s called democracy and this is a good example of how it works well.
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on 1 May 2011 at 8:15 pm
Maybe the Shinners put it up themselves to attract a bit of a sympathy vote or to encourage the proper form of outrage that will get their voters out on polling day.
It wouldn’t be the first time something like this has “mysteriously” happened to their candidates in the run up to an election when all through the rest of the year they aren’t touched at all. Remember O’Dowds auld jallopy that was only worth the scrap value got petrol bombed and somebody with poor vision petrol bombed the wall outside Mitchel McLaughlins house ! Both incidents at election time.
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Comment on “Gerry Adams has given his answer and that’s the end of it as far as I’m concerned.”
on 17 February 2011 at 1:19 am
Oracle
You obviously haven’t read the Good Friday Agreement either. There is nothing in it that says there will be a united Ireland when “unionist people agree to be so”.
However, there is mention of a majority of people agreeing on unification. That is an entirely different thing from Unionist people agreeing. Unionists won’t have a veto on this one when the time comes. A majority is a majority no matter what the political make up of it is.
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Comment on Not sure how to vote next Friday? They’ve got an app for that…
on 16 February 2011 at 9:23 pm
Going by that it turns out I am a Labour man through and through. Which is kind of funny as if I had a vote that’s who I would have voted for. The rest didn’t even come into the reckoning.
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Comment on ‘Football’: With a rifle and a pistol in my hand – fuck Bobby Sands …
on 16 February 2011 at 2:00 am
Westsider,
I too was at the infamous “night in November”. My recollection of the disgraceful scenes is very far away from yours. It was not a vocal minority that night at Windsor but in actual fact the vast majority who were hurling venemous abuse of the “trick or treat” variety and creating an unmistakeable rendition of “dirty Fenian bastards” which, I am led to believe, was very audible to the television viewer too. I heard it with my own ears and I saw Billy Bingham conducting the same choir who were singing about being “up to their necks in Fenian blood”.
Jack Charlton wasn’t too chuffed with Mr Bingham either, as I recall.
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Comment on Truth recovery would benefit from Adams and McGuinness disclosures
on 1 February 2011 at 4:21 pm
It looks like Driftwood has floated off down the Foyle along with Gregory Campbell in his bubble. Not a word.
I would be interested to hear back from you Mr Campbell as you are the original author of this thread. Are you capable of debating the points raised by people here ?
As someone who lived, at the time, close to where the two policemen you mention were murdered (yes I use the same word to describe their deaths too), I can state, without fear of contradiction, that a very large majority of people in my neighbourhood abhorred the circumstances of their death and were deeply saddened and sorrowful.
Unfortunately, what happened on Bloody Sunday cast a dark shadow which oblitereted the sorrow that good people had for the two police officers. Their sorrow still existed you just wouldn’t have heard it after what heppened to their friends and neighbours on the following Sunday. For that, Mr Campbell, you can blame those who were responsible for the massacre a few days later.
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Comment on Truth recovery would benefit from Adams and McGuinness disclosures
on 1 February 2011 at 2:29 pm
Mick
Whataboutery is very different to the kernel of what most of the posts on this subject are saying. If anything, Slugger allowed Mr Campbell to kick off the whataboutery (thereby ignoring what you previously said on the subject).
Mr Campbell is the one who mentioned “context” and others here are simply pointing out that if he wishes to plough that particular furrow then he would need to take a good look over the entire field of context.
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