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  1. Comment on 10 things that political unionists get wrong…
    on 31 July 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Davy McFaul: Your numerous references to ‘catholic fundamentalist hate groups’ ‘catholic fundamentalist terrorism’ ‘catholic fundamentalist terrorists’ etc?

    Or perhaps I have this wrong. Perhaps you do know the (Roman) Catholics that you speak of in these groups?

    If I call Islamic fundamentalists ‘Islamic fundamentalists’ am I being sectarian?

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  2. Comment on 10 things that political unionists get wrong…
    on 31 July 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Mc Slaggart: In what way was those examples an “abuse” or majority rule?

    Read the links.

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  3. Comment on 10 things that political unionists get wrong…
    on 31 July 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Morpheus: What the hell…

    …describing children going to their primary school as coat-tailing through a Protestant area.

    They are deliberately walking past the homes of IRA victims in the company of their parents (many of them IRA members and supporters from Ardoyne (including the sectarian killer of Trevor Kell)) when there is another route to go which doesn’t intimidate or aggravate anyone.

    if you can describe elderly men walking to church on a Sunday morning as ‘coat-trailing’ then surely this ticks the box too?

    Not sectarian in the slightest.

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  4. Comment on Vision for Belfast unveiled by Lord Mayor Máirtín Ó Muilleoir who promises to “remain relentlessly positive” about the city this year
    on 31 July 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Worth remembering that, during The Troubles, this man was the IRA’s answer to Joseph Goebbels.

    While he might not pulled a trigger himself, how many people died because of the rabble-rousing, sectarianism and pro-terrorism message printed in his ‘newspapers’?

    Hard to take his ‘I’m a nice guy’ image seriously when you remember some of things he ‘spun’ back in the day.

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  5. Comment on 10 things that political unionists get wrong…
    on 31 July 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Mc Slaggart: Meanwhile, in other elected bodies and councils, Nationalists abuse majority rule in a way that would make Robert Mugabe blush

    (you need to give examples to support your claim.)

    Have you been living under a rock?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20587538

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20594280

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  6. Comment on What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?
    on 31 July 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Reader: Some of them were armed with hurley sticks. That doesn’t mean that they were all issued with a GAA pogrom kit – but it does suggest that some of them left home with the intention of causing trouble rather than just improvised with bricks and bottles while milling about in the street. Work with references you can stand over; don’t put your faith in the semi-random words of a ‘politician’ who can’t manage precision and will prefer to do a bit of stirring instead.

    We seem to be in agreement then.

    I did not say the GAA organised the attempted pogrom on protestant homes in Suffolk, I merely said they armed the thugs responsible by providing them with deadly weapons to take home after training/a match.

    That is factually correct.

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  7. Comment on 10 things that political unionists get wrong…
    on 31 July 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Davy McFaul: Given your rabid sectarianism I’d be surprised if you knew any (Roman) Catholics at all

    Please give just ONE example of something sectarian which I have posted before I report you for man playing.

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  8. Comment on 10 things that political unionists get wrong…
    on 31 July 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Doug: So what’s your solution?

    If Nationalists cannot accept their obligations in the GFA, then Unionists should not have to accept theirs.

    If they continue to attack my nationality, identity and culture then the concessions provided by Unionists in the GFA must be reversed.

    1, End to undemocratic mechanisms in Assembly
    2, Return to jail of freed IRA terrorists
    3, End to Free State nose-poking in our internal UK affairs
    4, No convicted criminals in Assembly

    That would do for starters.

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  9. Comment on What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?
    on 31 July 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Davy McFaul: Also the video you provide from CNN; do the first twenty seconds of the video not exist and does these non existent images of loyalists rioting protesting coupled with the ‘protestor’ draped in the Union Flag AT 1.11 guldering at the PSNI ‘we’re going to the Markets ****, **** you’ give the impression of a ‘peaceful protest’?

    Are you suggesting the Short Strand youths were able to hear ‘We’re going to the Markets!’ from a mile away and, only then, decided to arm themselves with bottles in order to launch an attack?

    Are you also suggesting protestants deserve to be attacked simply for walking past the Markets or Short Strand? That’s what it sounds like.

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  10. Comment on What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?
    on 31 July 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Reader: You don’t speak for me.

    I didn’t say I did. I said the vast majority of Unionists will agree with my criticism of SF, the SDLP, GAA, Irish News, etc. If you want to argue that they don’t perhaps you should flesh out your argument a bit?

    The loyalist paramilitary fanboy stuff is dragging you down too – they are dead weight.

    Released government documents have shown the British government would have shipped out in the early days of The Troubles if it hadn’t been for the fear of civil war in NI. Had it not been for the existence of the UDA and UVF we would have been left defenceless at the mercy of Dublin rule – no doubt the likes of you, Basil McCrea and Alex Kane would have been on the front line as the Irish Army crossed the border :rolleyes:

    What are you trying to achieve? This was a topic where local contacts backed up by actual news reports should have given you the chance to highlight that sectarianism goes both ways – and where are you? You’re in a ridiculous argument about hurley sticks, based on a sloppy throwaway remark by Ruth Patterson.

    What’s your point here? Are you trying to say that these mob of catholic extremists were NOT armed with GAA bats as they attacked protestant families and their property? Eyewitnesses and local politicians have confirmed it is true.

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  11. Comment on 10 things that political unionists get wrong…
    on 31 July 2013 at 1:37 pm

    BifterGreenthumb: The spotlight poll earlier this year showed that a large section of the catholic/nationalist/republican community would vote to stay in the union if there was a referendum.

    The idea that a united ireland is what everyone from a catholic background wants at all costs is just not true. People look down south and think “we are probably better of in the uk for now”.

    If we can make Norn Iron work and if unionist parties can ditch the orange/sectarian element there is no reason why rational people from a nationalist background wouldnt vote for pro-union parties.

    You are entirely right. I don’t know any catholics who would vote for a united Ireland – simply because they know what they have at present but have no idea what a single Irish state would look like.

    However, that will never translate into votes for pro-Union political parties as these people either do not vote or believe that the far-right Irish Nationalist parties (SDLP/SF) will best represent their interests on catholic apartheid education, Irish kulchar, etc, etc – bread and butter issues we might call them.

    I actually feel a bit sorry for you as you seem quite naive. I was where you seem to be around 10/15 years ago.

    I was in Castle Buildings while the Good Friday Agreement was being negotiated and sat supping pints of Guinness with David Ervine and John Hume a few nights before the deal was finalised. They spoke of how the concessions from the Unionist community in the GFA would be reciprocated with respect, acceptance and tolerance for NI’s position in the UK and how relations between the two tribes would soften with time and in years to come this would be a great country to live in. But lets look at what the GFA has brought us:

    1, Protestants are still being murdered on the streets of Northern Ireland by IRA terrorists
    2, Protestants are still being driven from their homes (Torrens, Suffolk, Cluan Place, Fountain, Glenbryn, etc)
    3, We have an undemocratic Assembly where a majority cannot make decisions.
    4, Meanwhile, in other elected bodies and councils, Nationalists abuse majority rule in a way that would make Robert Mugabe blush
    5, We have a politically-manipulated, sectarian police force which treats protestants entirely differently from catholics (especially those in pro-IRA terror ghettos)
    6, The courts jail unconvicted, peaceful protestants for taking part in protests, while catholic terrorists, extremists and criminals are freed on remand to roam the streets
    7, The culture of my people is attacked by the entire Nationalist community (aided and abetted by our biased media) while Irish language, sports and other aspects of their culture is forced down the throats of the Unionist population. Commissions for parades, regulations on bonfires and the flying of flags while a corrupt, sectarian organisation (the GAA) is treated like the Scouts and beamed into Unionist homes at tea time every night
    8, Taxpayer money is used to promote terrorism and criminality, re-write history and blacken the name of the UDR, RUC and prison officers who helped stopped this place succumbing to catholic fundamentalist terrorism

    These people do not ‘do’ compromise – those who supported the GFA now know it and when Basil and John lose their seats at the next election you’ll be able to see that catholics simply will not vote for pro-Union parties (no matter how soft their support).

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  12. Comment on 10 things that political unionists get wrong…
    on 31 July 2013 at 11:11 am

    BifterGreenthumb: A non-sectarian future for Northern Ireland is the only way to secure the Union. Political Unionism needs to move away from tribal politics and appeal to pro-union catholics. Something like NI21 is the only rational option of unionism.

    I thought we learned the lesson when David Trimble tried to court catholic votes a few years back?

    Alas, Basil and John will have to lose their seats before a certain section of the Unionist community finally realise that these people are entrenched and cannot listen to logical political arguments.

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  13. Comment on What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?
    on 31 July 2013 at 11:06 am

    Mick,

    Take a look back through Joe’s past few hundred posts and count how many of them are simply fingerpointing and shouting ‘troll! troll!’ in my direction. The dude is obsessed.

    If I had a way of blocking his posts I would. As I don’t, surely the onus is on you to explain to him that sometimes others disagree with him and he should be prepared to accept that. If that don’t work, enforce the site’s man-playing rules a bit more vigorously with him in future. He seems to think he is untouchable on Slugger as he’s been here a good while…

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  14. Comment on What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?
    on 31 July 2013 at 10:11 am

    Mc Slaggart: Their was unacceptable sledging of Darren because he was a good player not because he was a Protestant.

    This is exactly the problem within the far-right Nationalist community in NI at present. They are simply unable to accept their is a poisonous tumour of anti-protestant sectarianism within their midst.

    Repeated taunts of ‘orange bastard’, mocking of his murdered father and attempted murder through arson attacks on his home are put down to ‘it’s only because he’s a good player’.

    Waken up ffs.

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  15. Comment on What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?
    on 31 July 2013 at 10:08 am

    Morpheus: If you go on any of the popular forums there is always a UPC drowning out and embarrassing the other Unionist commentators. Maybe we should just follow his advice and ignore him, see what happens.

    You’ve fallen into the trap of thinking that the ‘polite’ Unionists disagree with my analysis of the IRA, Sinn Fein, GAA, SDLP, Irish News, etc – the vast majority of them don’t.

    The problem is that most Unionists are too afraid of offending people by honestly articulating their views – that’s why you get the old ‘I’m not interested in any of that auld politics nonsense’ when something controversial comes up in conversation in a mixed crowd.

    The GAA’s thuggish sectarianism, Irish News’ anti-protestant hate agenda, IRA catholic fundamentalist terrorism and the SDLP’s defence of murderers and bigotry are distasteful to ALL Unionists. It’s only the honest ones like myself who are willing to stick their head above the parapet and take the flack that comes with it.

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  16. Comment on What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?
    on 31 July 2013 at 9:57 am

    Am Ghobsmacht,

    Why would they want to join a sectarian, divisive organisation just to try and change it’s ways?

    What exactly would they get out of it?

    Wouldn’t their time be better spent doing something they enjoy instead?

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  17. Comment on What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?
    on 31 July 2013 at 9:09 am

    Mc Slaggart: Darren Graham still played GAA after coming and complaining what other players had said to him.

    And what’s your point?

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  18. Comment on What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?
    on 31 July 2013 at 9:08 am

    märsta: Surely the above posting warrants a Yellow Card for Man Playing?

    I believe Joe has been yellow carded a number of times for harassing me but he still doesn’t seem to get the message:

    If you dislike a certain poster just ignore them.

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  19. Comment on What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?
    on 31 July 2013 at 8:35 am

    Am Ghobsmacht: Given that you believe that the GAA are so involved in this (at least in the background), then I ask you for your opinion on a suggestion that pops up now and again:

    Where do you stand on the idea of Unionists ‘saturating’ Antrim (and maybe Down) GAA’s?

    Are you of the school of thought that believes that:

    a/ a few years of hard slugging might bring about some changes in the local GAA?
    b/ do you believe that they are impregnable fortresses filled with Republican horrors?
    c/ the most scary idea of all, that Protestants might like it and may indeed mix well in some of the clubs?

    For once, if you would just answer the question and not squirm.

    Believe it or not, I’m interested in what you have to say on the matter

    You may leave Belfast as a different issue if need be, but there’s still Ballyclare, Ballymena, Ballymoney, Larne, Carrick (or may be not?), Antrim and Bangor to consider.

    Why would any protestant want to get involved in a backward, divisive, sectarian organisation engaged in widespread brainwashing of naive children, the glorification of catholic fundamentalist terrorism, rarely-punished thuggish violence and industrial-scale tax fraud?

    Until the games themselves are separated from the sectarian, corrupt organisation which controls them, it’s highly unlikely many protestants will ever be lured into participating. The few that do will, more than likely, suffer the same fate as Darren Graham:

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/protestant-gaa-star-hounded-out-by-vile-taunts-26308621.html

    http://www.irishabroad.com/news/irish-voice/news/Articles/Protestant-GAA-Player-to-Leave080308.aspx

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  20. Comment on What’s driving this animus against Suffolk Protestants?
    on 30 July 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Cackle Daily: I noticed that your comments were taking on their usual paranoiac, anti Catholic tinge and I wanted to see if you could conceive that attacks such as the one that occured in Suffolk are neither confined to one community nor are they unique to it.

    I do find it strange that when it’s a Loyalist attack on catholic homes then obviously it’s a UVF-orchestrated conspiracy, ethnic cleansing, naked sectarianism, drug dealing, look at themmuns, blah, blah, blah.

    Yet, when it’s a Nationalist attack on protestant homes (on pretty much the same scale and with, seemingly, the same level of orchestration) it’s fobbed off as drunken kids having a bit of craic and ‘sure aren’t they both as bad as each other’.

    I don’t think the Nationalist community in Northern Ireland actually accepts there is a problem within their ranks with anti-protestant bigotry. is it going to take an innocent protestant child being beaten to death with a GAA bat before they waken up and begin to tackle it??

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