UPC was not mistaken that Malcolm Redfellow claims all Scottish people are signed up UVF members.
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I see from the photo that MI5 were well represented at the meeting.
Malcolm, not so long ago you made a comment suggesting all Scottish people were members of the UVF in your exasperating attempt to prove the organisation was involved in prostitution. Your credibility on this site was severely damaged as a result.
Forgive us if we simply ignore your *nod nod wink wink* comments unless you can provide us with something concrete.
I went on one of the Maze tours in 2011 which was arranged through a Loyalist ex-prisoners group. We had to be discreet and weren’t allowed to take photos as, at the time, Robinson and McGuinness had an agreement that no tours would take place (apparently the site is controlled by OFMDFM). I presume this was because Robinson feared the backlash of photos or videos leaking out of IRA supporters paying homage to Jimmy Sands or something similar.
The tour guide was an ex-Provo prisoner and it was very obvious his ‘commentary’ for a Loyalist group of visitors was vastly different to his usual spiel dished out to the various Irish American, Free State and IRA supporting mobs who make up the 95% of visiting parties. He still managed to get in that all prison officers were all alcoholic bigots who hated catholics and enjoyed beating them up for fun. (One of the Loyalists in the group recounted his own stories of being beaten which seemed to shut him up)
Anyway, my point is that these tours are going on at present almost every day of the week. They are facilitated and arranged by IRA supporting ex-prisoner and community groups and are hosted by an ex-IRA prisoner. You can be 100% certain that any visiting groups from an Irish/catholic/nationalist background and those of a neutral persuasion from other countries are being given the full IRA propaganda treatment on these tours.
The place should be flattened and any peace centre built on Crumlin Road where investment, tourists and jobs are really needed.
Why not built a new fully integrated, cross community social housing development on the site of The Maze? 50/50 protestant and catholic residents with integrated primary and secondary schools. That would be a far better peace legacy for the site.
What’s the point in even bringing it up?
SF’s partners in government will do nothing about it (like when the party was confirmed to be actively discriminating against protestant workers in their departments) and their voters simply don’t care about this kind of thing. They will vote for a donkey with a tricolour if they are told to.
All in all it’s one of those things which just epitomises the sham terrorism appeasement process and anti-democratic devolved Assembly the majority of Unionists want to see shut down.
You think people like this have personal hygiene at the top of their priority list?
There hasn’t been ‘wading in’ to the unwashed crowds at Ardoyne for many a year.
Standing and taking it more like:
Comrade Stalin: If we define “unionism” as the headlong rush to get a Prod elected irrespective of policies or principles (which is the mentality that led to the joint candidate in Mid Ulster and F&ST), then yes, having more than one unionist party damages unionism.
Or maybe they think the constituency should have representation in the country’s parliament?
Strange I know….
Italian mafia, Colombian cocaine cartels, Irish-American drug dealers, Islamic fundamentalists, a global paedophile ring – is there anyone out there the IRA won’t hook up with to line the pockets of their senior members???
How about the same kind of democracy practised in Belfast City Council?
SF, SDLP & Alliance having been telling us for the past few months how workable and fair it is…
Is the suffering caused by Provisional IRA catholic fundamentalist terrorism in Northern Ireland something to make jokes about?
Show some respect for God’s sake.
Submariner: Both Willie and Jamie boy have been charged with offences and brought before the courts as is normal practice. The judge has then decided not to grant bail and remanded them.
While convicted mass murderers, organised crime godfathers and suspected double murderers from the catholic community ARE given bail.
Also, two Sinn Fein terrorist politicians who engaged in the exact same type of illegal behaviour as Wille Frazer and Jamie Bryson continue to live their lives free from arrest or charges.
Take the blinkers off and accept the PSNI is a discredited, anti-protestant force being backed up by an anti-protestant, discriminatory judiciary.
Submariner: Interned? What exactly do you mean by the use of the word interned other than to spout meaningless crap.
Internment: Internment is the imprisonment or confinement of people, commonly in large groups, without trial.
How many protestant civil rights protesters are currently in prison without having been convicted of any crime???
Or is internment only bad when it’s used against poor wee oppressed Irish catholics?
Seems it’s ok for Gerry Kelly and Conall McDevitt to question the PSNI’s actions on a daily basis – but when a Unionist does likewise it’s akin to refusing to support the rule of law and possibly a breach of the ministerial code?!?
tacapall: I got stopped for speeding a while back and as I was talking to the two officers who were issuing my ticket lots of cars were speeding by faster than I had been traveling before I was stopped and when I pointed this out the officer replied that I was the unlucky one to get caught, ke sera sera I suppose.
You should be embarrassed if that’s the best whataboutery you can come up with.
How can protestant civil rights protesters Willie Frazer and Jamie Bryson be interned for taking part in unnotified parades while Sinn Fein terrorists who do the same remain free?
Why is Peter Robinson not calling for the arrest of Martin McGuinness and Conor Murphy?
Either the law applies to everyone or how can the community be expected to respect it?
Come on Robbo – step up or step down.
Kevsterino: For instance, what is the purpose of All Party talks, when you don’t want Unionists to negotiate with Nationalists?
I didn’t say that. Stop telling lies.
Mister_Joe: Robinson’s reported remarks seem to imply that he doesn’t think that the PSNI are up to the “job”. I think that that is a dangerous place to go.
In the past two weeks we have seen six men arrested in NI:
Sean Kelly – unrepentant, religiously-motivated mass murderer released early after the GFA. He has already had his license revoked for continued involvement in terrorism – only for him to be released again shortly after. He was suspected of involvement in a Saudi-Arabian style sharia-law punishment attack on a catholic child in front of numerous witnesses in Ardoyne. He was RELEASED after the victim refused to give a statement but the PSNI’s statement was clear in that they believed he was the gunman. Why was his license not revoked???
Sean Hughes – Former IRA Army Council member and convicted organised crime figure was charged with IRA membership in relation to the brutal Sinn Fein knife murder of catholic Robert McCartney. He was RELEASED on bail.
Brian Shivers – Currently facing a retrial after having originally been tried and convicted of the catholic fundamentalist murder of two peacekeepers in Antrim in 2009. He was RELEASED on bail.
Willie Frazer – Charged with minor offenses relating to civil rights marches and peaceful protests surrounding the ongoing Belfast CC flag dispute. Lost thirteen friends and family to IRA terrorism and has peacefully campaigned for justice for victims. He is currently REMANDED IN CUSTODY and being interned in Maghaberry prison.
Jamie Bryson – Another civil rights protester facing minor charges relating to peaceful protests and protest marches. REMANDED IN CUSTODY and currently locked in a cell at Maghaberry prison.
Jim Dowson – Charged with “encouraging or assisting offenders and five counts of taking part in an unnotified public procession.” – possibly the most minor offense currently on the UK books. He was freed on bail but is BANNED from using telephones, computers or any other electronic device. He was forced to shut his Facebook page. In a potentially illegal breach of their human rights, Jim’s family members were also forced to hand over their phones and computers too. If you read about this kind of ruling happening in China or Iran there would be uproar – but this is happening in the UK!!
These three men are being persecuted for taking part in unnotified parades – all the while Sinn Fein politicians do the same and continue to tell Matt Baggott and his anti-protestant police force what they can and cannot do.
And still some wonder why Unionists are seething at what is going on in this country….
tacapall: Lets not forget about the ensuing violence in the summer months ahead as you predicted UPC so will you one again give your word not to use violence when you enter into any new negotiations, thats if both governments have not decided to go straight to plan B – Joint authority, the direction they have been heading all along.
I don’t think Davy’s a fan of ‘Plan B’:
Stormont’s imminent demise will lead to all-party talks – and this time no Unionist will be naive enough to believe NI’s two extremist Nationalist parties are serious about peace, reconciliation and improved cross-community relations.
Bring it on.
Kevsterino: Unionists toppling Stormont would be the biggest own goal in Ulster history and may well lead to HMG to approach Dublin about a new regime.
David Cameron has repeatedly made it clear that NI is going nowhere.
Stormont’s imminent collapse will merely lead to protracted all party talks and a new agreement – talks where the Unionist negotiators are completely aware of just how committed to peace SF/IRA are (unlike 1998) and act accordingly.
Education, flags, culture, sectarian sports, glorification of terrorism, etc – it’ll all be up for discussion. I can’t wait.