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  1. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 20 April 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Mainland Ulsterman

    “It may well be true that crimes done by British state forces were under-prosecuted during this time.”

    It cannot be true!

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  2. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 20 April 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Mainland Ulsterman

    ” He (Thomas Aquinas) was no stranger to assertions utterly unsupported by rational principles.”

    He is taken to be the one of greatest theologian and philosopher in the catholic church. I shudder to think what you made of the rest of them.

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  3. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 20 April 2014 at 2:20 pm

    babyface finlayson
    babyface finlayson:

    Lets be clear I already give you my starting point of the troubles/war 1. The “war” started because a Unionist state could not accept change in the nature of the ” unjust peace” in places it was scared off. As mick puts it “We certainly saw the personnel and materiel going up there from 69″.

    1
    “In this all truth is relative. I had a relative who said the “Nonviolent struggle” died in the Omagh area when the B Specials came out of the courthouse and beat the protesters off the street.”

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  4. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 20 April 2014 at 12:23 pm

    babyface finlayson

    “Are you now saying the unjust peace we had before the PIRA campaign”

    The PIRA did not exist at the start of the “troubles “.

    When in your view was northern Ireland free from disturbance in a state of tranquillity?

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  5. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 20 April 2014 at 10:23 am

    As for my own view on the merits of a “just war” I find myself in agreement with Cicero:

    “An unjust peace is better than a just war.”

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  6. Comment on Polls: Ireland’s two party system dead as four blocks slip into their electoral trenches
    on 20 April 2014 at 8:42 am

    Mick Fealty,

    ” there’s a softness in FG’s vote”

    Its called water charges…..

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  7. Comment on Geraldine Finucane: “A deep wound cannot be stitched over and just left because it won’t heal”
    on 20 April 2014 at 8:09 am

    truthfinder

    The RUC and the Stevens Report said that Pat Finucane was not a member of the IRA.

    Do you accept that being a member of a republican family does not make you a member of the IRA?

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    Ken Maginnis:

    “The reality is that Pat Finucane was a member of a dedicated Republican family, many of whose members were actively engaged in terrorist activity – that is a proven fact.”
    2
    Sir John Hermon:

    “Pat Finucane was associated with the IRA and he used his position as a lawyer to act as a contact between suspects in custody and republicans on the outside.”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/341084.stm

    3
    Sean O’Callaghan :
    “Did Finucane introduce himself as a member of the IRA? No. Did anyone present describe him as such? No. It was, however, exclusively an IRA meeting and quite clearly, without doubt, understood to be so by all present.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3590237/Finucane-should-not-have-been-killed-but-he-was-in-the-IRA.html

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  8. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 19 April 2014 at 11:23 pm

    babyface finlayson:

    “We have been talking all along about whether you think the IRA campaign was just or unjust.”

    You asked a question 1 and I tried to answer it for you.

    Technically the “IRA” can make an excellent case for meeting the criteria of just war.

    My view of how just it was comes from Nietzsche:

    “He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. ”

    Friedrich Nietzsche
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    “babyface finlayson (profile) 17 April 2014 at 7:15 pm
    MU/McSlaggart
    The IRA could not fulfil the criteria for a just war by any stretch of the imagination.”

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  9. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 19 April 2014 at 1:47 pm

    babyface finlayson

    “You appear to be accepting the injustice ”

    Which injustice are you on about?

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  10. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 19 April 2014 at 12:54 pm

    Mainland Ulsterman

    “other nationalists did not resort to violence, so other choices were available”

    Other choices are always available that is the basis of the just war theory. It simple states that while war is very terrible, it is not always the worst option.

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  11. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 19 April 2014 at 12:49 pm

    babyface finlayson

    ” for the repeated harm done to civilians.”

    That is the nature of war, just or unjust.

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  12. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 19 April 2014 at 12:46 pm

    “You do realise that by that test, any aggressor willing to consider the surrender of their enemy would be “just”? Which doesn’t work does it.”

    Mainland Ulsterman
    Take it up with Thomas Aquinas I am only applying his criteria.

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  13. Comment on Geraldine Finucane: “A deep wound cannot be stitched over and just left because it won’t heal”
    on 19 April 2014 at 9:15 am

    truthfinder

    ” the same republican community advocated genocide against Protestants ”

    Do you have a link to any speeches to support your claim?

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  14. Comment on Was Ireland fatally wounded in 1916?
    on 19 April 2014 at 8:59 am

    cynic2

    “Prods rights to their own Saints day ”

    It is Irelands national celebrations day. It was picked more by Irish immigrants than those who lived on the Island. He was Romano-British and an immigrant himself.

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  15. Comment on Was Ireland fatally wounded in 1916?
    on 18 April 2014 at 9:42 pm

    “If you look at lots of the celebrations around Sat Pat’s, while it’s not quite a Green 12th, it is more of a celebration of Ireland’s green tribe – indirect proof that Ireland is still based on unreconciled tibes and not mature nationhood.”

    I have never met an orange man with an issue about st Patrick?

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  16. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 18 April 2014 at 7:19 pm

    It must also be said that anyone joining up to the IRA did not expect any self gain. Which meets a Aquinas second requirement.

    “Second, war must occur for a good and just purpose rather than for self-gain…….
    “lost territory, lost goods, punishment for an evil perpetrated by a government, army, or even citizen population”
    Thomas Aquinas

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  17. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 18 April 2014 at 7:09 pm

    At all times during the troubles the IRA was available for talks to end the fighting.

    which meets the third criteria of “Third, peace must be a central motive even in the midst of violence”

    Thomas Aquinas

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  18. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 18 April 2014 at 7:00 pm

    It was Internment that sorted out what sort of IRA we would have. The British army went after the old Marx IRA and not “PIRA”.

    Thus they went after the group who had waited for “all means short of war be tried before force is resorted to.”

    The regular British army member respected the PIRA and did not want to be associated with the UDR.

    To much Sun Tzu
    “To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy.”

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  19. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 18 April 2014 at 6:34 pm

    The IRA existed throughout the life of Northern Ireland so did it change the state of Northern Ireland by its activities or did Northern Ireland change to make it become active?

    loyalists in 1966 started killing people.

    IRA = I Ran Away

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  20. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 18 April 2014 at 6:16 pm

    @ babyface finlayson

    I should say at the outset I am not from a physical force background so their is others better equipped to answer
    your question than myself.

    It was Cicero that claimed that the absence of political rights corrupts moral virtues.

    Then again how could northern Ireland give everyone equal rights when the ghost of the IRA haunted it.

    “It will have blood; they say, blood will have blood:
    Stones have been known to move and trees to speak;
    Augurs and understood relations have
    By magot-pies and choughs and rooks brought forth
    The secret’st man of blood. What is the night?”

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