I think this essayist is over-egging the pudding. The only people in my experience who really care – and I mean really get hot under the collar about the Derry/Londonderry thing, are people who don’t live in Derry and never visit. To me, Derry is an abbreviation, much as Carrick is an abbreviation for Carrickfergus. As a Culmore dweller who did ballet and never reads the rag that is the “Journal”, I find it hard to recognise the stereotypes in the essay. For that’s what they are. We need to get over ourselves. And I wonder how our Chinese readers will react to being described as homogenous? For God’s sake, you couldn’t get more homogenous than the people on the island of Ireland.
Hear, Hear fitzjameshorse1745. Also, scum with bad grammar and spelling. Of course that would be in English. I’m sure their Irish is perfect. Recently removed grafitti in Derry read “were still hear” and those responsible for a pipe bomb attack on a home in a residential area of the city claimed they intended to execute their target but couldn’t get into the house “due to security reasons”. And today we have Sinn Fein telling the police to back off when they suspect infringements of licensing laws. That’s right. We don’t need a police force, we have the dissies running round acting like the Taliban. Like the Taliban, they’re not shy of a wee drink or a wee substance themselves. So I would of course go further than fitzjameshorse1745. Semi-literate, hypocritical, brainless, scum.
In the Bolger case, the victim is dead. I don’t see that his mother has any right to know anything about Venables. Now, should she or her family be under any further threat from Venables, then the police need to act to protect her. Justice was done and was seen to be done. The fact that rehabilitation appears to have failed in this case means that we really should question what we mean by justice. Putting someone away clearly isn’t working (see today’s stories on how much re-offending costs the taxpaper). Monitoring after release is clearly flawed (Peter Chapman case this week). It seems to me that we say “Hang the bastards” as apollo suggests. Then we forget about them. Then we want to hang them all over again when they pop back up. Like a repeat of X Factor, for Gawd’s sake, and what could be more pointless than that?
A good friend from Belfast said to me once “Derry is the place you pass through to get to somewhere nicer.” I kind of agree with that, and also agree that if Derry were to win the bid, the wider North West would benefit. As the posts so far explain, Derry isn’t to everyone’s liking. What place is? But it is a gateway to beautiful sites politically North and South of the border. That’s the selling point. Now, if we could just get the random shooting and murder off the streets … Pity the Shinners couldn’t manage that instead of talking ahite all the time.
Boys the dear, she is wrong, wrong, wrong. Ms McLaughlin is one of these people who talks complete rubbish in a very confident tone. I think the quote amplifies this point perfectly.
What disturbs me about this case is that Mr Doherty’s grandfather, Vinny Coyle, was cited as a Civil Rights man back in the ’60s. How could the grandson, therefore, be a dissident? Answer, because the IRA in all its guises has hijacked every non-violent attempt ever made to draw attention to civic injustice. I, for one, would be out on the street protesting about every injustice. Until I see the curly bap of McGuinness or one of his henchmen out protesting too. At which point I go home.
“17.Oooh these are always my fav slugger threads where people unencumbered by any knowledge of the law” Fair point. But Ms Holloway is surely fairly encumbered by now and is calling for wholesale reform of the PPS. What say you to that?
bohereen, well said. Couldn’t agree more. Marcionite, I would suggest that Bloody Sunday has been somewhat hijacked by the more extreme elements of our beleaguered society. And it is a big turn-off. However, your “all’s fair in love and war” analysis does not stack up even with the evidence that the old codger Widgery presented. The army, as a body of trained professionals, acted shamefully that day, resulting in needless loss of civilian life. Sure, Bloody Sunday is not the only atrocity of its kind, but that’s not a good enough reason to ignore it, or to ignore the wider implications of undisciplined armies running amok.
This is article was first published in Fortnight magazine back in February 2003. Chris Farrington is now a Government of Ireland Postdoctoral Fellow funded by the Irish Research Council for the Humanities and Social Sciences’ in the School of Politics and International Relations, University College Dublin. Although the circumstances it describes has changed radically and [...] read our review »
Last year, the Lilliput Press released a new extended edition of Tom Dunne’s Ewart-Biggs Memorial Prize winning book, Rebellions: Memoir, Memory and 1798. First published in 2004, Dunne’s book provoked considerable controversy with its critique of the ‘commemorationist’ history that Dunne believed dominated the 1998 commemorations of the 1798 Rebellion. The book blasted the involvement [...] read our review »
This was a book that I first reviewed at the same time as “Unionism Decayed” back in 2008. Like Vance’s work, it is the author’s portrayal of a defeated political movement or ideal and as a Unionist it was instructional to read an interpretation of the immediate post-Agreement period from the other side of the fence. [...] read our review »
Comment on Derry Essays 7: Derry Culture or Londonderry Culture. Which?
on 5 May 2010 at 4:45 pm
I think this essayist is over-egging the pudding. The only people in my experience who really care – and I mean really get hot under the collar about the Derry/Londonderry thing, are people who don’t live in Derry and never visit. To me, Derry is an abbreviation, much as Carrick is an abbreviation for Carrickfergus. As a Culmore dweller who did ballet and never reads the rag that is the “Journal”, I find it hard to recognise the stereotypes in the essay. For that’s what they are. We need to get over ourselves. And I wonder how our Chinese readers will react to being described as homogenous? For God’s sake, you couldn’t get more homogenous than the people on the island of Ireland.
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Comment on Politics of the violent threat: “No claim, no blame…”
on 26 April 2010 at 6:51 pm
Hear, Hear fitzjameshorse1745. Also, scum with bad grammar and spelling. Of course that would be in English. I’m sure their Irish is perfect. Recently removed grafitti in Derry read “were still hear” and those responsible for a pipe bomb attack on a home in a residential area of the city claimed they intended to execute their target but couldn’t get into the house “due to security reasons”. And today we have Sinn Fein telling the police to back off when they suspect infringements of licensing laws. That’s right. We don’t need a police force, we have the dissies running round acting like the Taliban. Like the Taliban, they’re not shy of a wee drink or a wee substance themselves. So I would of course go further than fitzjameshorse1745. Semi-literate, hypocritical, brainless, scum.
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Comment on Victims still have make their case – a lesson from Venables
on 10 March 2010 at 7:24 pm
In the Bolger case, the victim is dead. I don’t see that his mother has any right to know anything about Venables. Now, should she or her family be under any further threat from Venables, then the police need to act to protect her. Justice was done and was seen to be done. The fact that rehabilitation appears to have failed in this case means that we really should question what we mean by justice. Putting someone away clearly isn’t working (see today’s stories on how much re-offending costs the taxpaper). Monitoring after release is clearly flawed (Peter Chapman case this week). It seems to me that we say “Hang the bastards” as apollo suggests. Then we forget about them. Then we want to hang them all over again when they pop back up. Like a repeat of X Factor, for Gawd’s sake, and what could be more pointless than that?
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Comment on Sinn Féin to sell water (this weekend)?
on 5 March 2010 at 10:38 pm
Dodgy fags, dodgy drugs, dodgy fuel, dodgy security, now dodgy water. Gas masks on boys, they’ll be taking the very air next.
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Comment on “While we are a city of culture there has to be a recognition that we’re not part of the UK.”
on 3 March 2010 at 4:31 pm
A good friend from Belfast said to me once “Derry is the place you pass through to get to somewhere nicer.” I kind of agree with that, and also agree that if Derry were to win the bid, the wider North West would benefit. As the posts so far explain, Derry isn’t to everyone’s liking. What place is? But it is a gateway to beautiful sites politically North and South of the border. That’s the selling point. Now, if we could just get the random shooting and murder off the streets … Pity the Shinners couldn’t manage that instead of talking ahite all the time.
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Comment on “While we are a city of culture there has to be a recognition that we’re not part of the UK.”
on 2 March 2010 at 4:31 pm
Boys the dear, she is wrong, wrong, wrong. Ms McLaughlin is one of these people who talks complete rubbish in a very confident tone. I think the quote amplifies this point perfectly.
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Comment on “Our society has a tragic history of violence.”
on 27 February 2010 at 1:53 am
What disturbs me about this case is that Mr Doherty’s grandfather, Vinny Coyle, was cited as a Civil Rights man back in the ’60s. How could the grandson, therefore, be a dissident? Answer, because the IRA in all its guises has hijacked every non-violent attempt ever made to draw attention to civic injustice. I, for one, would be out on the street protesting about every injustice. Until I see the curly bap of McGuinness or one of his henchmen out protesting too. At which point I go home.
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Comment on Thomas Devlin’s murderers convicted
on 25 February 2010 at 5:47 pm
“17.Oooh these are always my fav slugger threads where people unencumbered by any knowledge of the law” Fair point. But Ms Holloway is surely fairly encumbered by now and is calling for wholesale reform of the PPS. What say you to that?
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Comment on “Police were evacuating the area when the bomb went off.”
on 25 February 2010 at 4:54 pm
And here we go again …
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/8535731.stm
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Comment on Londonderry makes shortlist for UK City of Culture 2013
on 25 February 2010 at 4:46 pm
bohereen, well said. Couldn’t agree more. Marcionite, I would suggest that Bloody Sunday has been somewhat hijacked by the more extreme elements of our beleaguered society. And it is a big turn-off. However, your “all’s fair in love and war” analysis does not stack up even with the evidence that the old codger Widgery presented. The army, as a body of trained professionals, acted shamefully that day, resulting in needless loss of civilian life. Sure, Bloody Sunday is not the only atrocity of its kind, but that’s not a good enough reason to ignore it, or to ignore the wider implications of undisciplined armies running amok.
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