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  1. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 17 April 2014 at 3:30 pm

    “Just cause” is very much in the eye of the beholder, or in the finger poised over the trigger if you prefer; and of course everyone can promote their particular ’cause’ as the most morally preeminent.

    As to ‘war’. It was of course no such thing. It was multiple terrorist campaigns waged by murder gangs for ’causes’ they self selected to pursue, with the State playing catch-up.

    Opening the ‘books’ (and it is the State that holds the records) is not am option I believe. At least in terms if naming names. Article 2 considerations would preclude that option.

    The only way to name those who have culpability is by bringing successful prosecutions against them in the courts (and deals have been done on that score).

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  2. Comment on The prevailing wisdom of A Love Divided
    on 5 April 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Ne Temere in the Republic of Ireland was not only a Church matter. In 1950 in the Tilson case the President of the Irish High Court, George Gavan Duffy, ruled that Ne Temere was in fact law given the “special position” given to the Roman Catholic Church in the Irish Constitution.

    Duffy’s judgement was supported by the Irish Supreme Court. A pretty spectacular piece of official sectarianism at the centre of things and an interesting take on “cherishing all the children of the nation”.

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  3. Comment on “there was a ‘culture’ in the Northern Ireland Office not to prosecute Republicans…”
    on 5 April 2014 at 10:15 am

    Thank you Reader. That was indeed my interpretation of what Mark was implying, the only logical one in my opinion.

    I fear Barnshee’s introduction of facts will not clear up the matter. Stage Two of the nationalist argument I alluded to will now be dredged up :

    1. All loyalist terrorist murders are also down to the State.
    2. Any ‘embarrassing’ (a very relative term in this case) murders by nationalist terrorists are also down to ‘State agents’ (the tier of individual just below official uniformed/plain clothes State Actors).

    By this mechanism the murders committed for example by the so-called ‘IRA Nutting Squad’ or particularly heinous (heinous in their terms from a terrorist PR point of view) bombings (remember at one time the Poppy Day bomb carnage was attributed to radio signals sent by the Army).

    And, 3. Even when nationalist terrorists claimed attacks resulting casualties were ’caused’ by Security Forces purposefully ignoring ‘adequate warnings’ provided by ‘concerned terrorists’.

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  4. Comment on “there was a ‘culture’ in the Northern Ireland Office not to prosecute Republicans…”
    on 4 April 2014 at 9:08 am


    You deploy a well worn argument often deployed by nationalists. Someone (me in this case) challenges the hyperbole about the sins/alleged sins of ‘State actors’ (in this instance by simple mathematics).

    The response (yours in this case) is “sure you think everything was sweetness and light” or something similar.

    No matter that I have acknowledged that a minority of the many police and soldiers who served in NI did undoubtedly break the law (as I did in my post at 5:24 yesterday, the one you referenced part of).

    Therefore everything was not “sweetness and light”. You’ll find that is often the case in the real world if you ever get to the point to maturely reflect on things

    The argument you use is part of a wider nationalist agenda. One the seeks to draw a parallel between terrorist groups and the security forces. Two portray them as two ‘armies’ equally engaged in a ‘war’. That myth won’t wash with me.

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  5. Comment on “there was a ‘culture’ in the Northern Ireland Office not to prosecute Republicans…”
    on 3 April 2014 at 10:56 pm


    What you wouldn’t or would say is inconsequential. Wildly extrapolating from any given incident to ‘prove’ an already extant wider belief may give the semblance of legitimacy to your argument, but it is in reality without much value.

    (Using a real world victim to do so is just unseemly.)

    Should you chose to believe that every squaddie and cop were/are bad to the bone is a matter for you and far be it from me to disabuse you of your settled mythology.

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  6. Comment on “there was a ‘culture’ in the Northern Ireland Office not to prosecute Republicans…”
    on 3 April 2014 at 8:04 pm


    You’re fun to deal with. No matter what is posted you just go off on your merry way (so the fun turns quickly to boredom).

    Back on the OTR beat: Mr Baxter gave testimony that he was contacted by the Duty ACC. A little clarification on the pertinent aspect of senior police management might help (though I doubt it will add any clarity for some set in their ways).

    The Duty ACC (Assistant Chief Constable – and no the ACC is not the Chief Constable’s PA it is a stand alone police rank that heads a department or a territorial command) is the senior on-call police officer. The CC is not expected to be available 24/7, even someone as exalted as Hugh Orde needs some downtime.

    So it will be interesting to learn how Hugh Orde can state that the phone call referred to by Mr Baxter did not happen as Orde was neither the call’s recipient or involved in subsequently communicating with Baxter.

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  7. Comment on “there was a ‘culture’ in the Northern Ireland Office not to prosecute Republicans…”
    on 3 April 2014 at 6:55 pm


    Terrorism is a criminal act. Or is it all ‘freedom fighting’ to you?

    40,000 armed folks X 40 years in a ‘target-rich environment’ (they were in your view after any and all Catholics) would suggest that the only “bad barrels” about were the unused ones attached to police and Army firearms.

    Something I’m very much ok with, especially so given that they did give their handcuffs a reasonable workout.

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  8. Comment on “there was a ‘culture’ in the Northern Ireland Office not to prosecute Republicans…”
    on 3 April 2014 at 5:24 pm

    Which court has “history” proved that ‘even’ those who “joined for the right reasons” stood by and watched the rest of the police and soldiers “murder or directed murder gangs”?

    Tosh built on tosh served with a tosh sauce.

    zep is of course right when he/she observes that the RUC and UDR must have been “rubbish” delivering their “programme for murder”.

    At the height of the Troubles there were something like 40,000 police and troops available in NI. All armed, all trained. Why were all those ‘State terrorists’ such poor performers as a ‘murder gang’?

    Look across the World at places like Syria and see what it actually looks like when a State decides on a “programme of murder” against its own citizens.

    The police and Army held against a myriad of Nationalist and Loyalist terrorist gangs – who gleefully bombed and shot their fellow Irishmen, women and children.

    Did they make mistakes? Did a small number cross the line into criminality? Most assuredly so.

    However the vast majority did their duty and prevented NI slipping into Balkan-like carnage; at great personal sacrifice and loss. This was recognised by the RUC being awarded collectively the George Cross and forming the core of the PSNI.

    I don’t expect the facts of history to hold any sway with those who make biased and outlandish claims about the police and Army. Some nationalists in particular will always focus their hatred against the RUC because of its central role in bringing nationalist terrorists to heel.

    Personally I put it down to too much time spent listening to too many ‘war’ stories cried into pints by ex-jail birds who were put behind bars by the Royal Ulster Constabulary.

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  9. Comment on “there was a ‘culture’ in the Northern Ireland Office not to prosecute Republicans…”
    on 3 April 2014 at 12:20 pm

    Orde will appear in front of the committee next week. No doubt he will deny the phone call, and probably also tell the committee that he was beside a phone throughout every minute of his tenure as CC.

    You can almost hear the rumble of the nationalist spin machine as it gears up to separate the testimony given by ex PSNI officers. Orde will be supported, Sheridan and Baxter will not. No doubt there will be mutterings about ‘RUC men blah, blah, blah’.

    The Shinner drone Nothing-To-See-Here cadre will be working hard on this.

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  10. Comment on Did the ‘UDA Night’ at Sandy Row spark the “IRA Night” in Whiterock?
    on 2 April 2014 at 6:48 pm

    “the Whiterock event was exposed exactly the same was as was the Sandy Row event”.

    Please link to the posters that preceded the Sandy Row event. The Vixenswithconvictions site, linked to from Slugger on this subject, shows a Whiterock poster giving the day and time of the event with a “bígí linn” to all. Why was a poster produced giving the details if it was not for publicity purposes?

    If the Sandy Row event was publicly promoted why has some poor sod ended up threatened and having to leave home for, ahem, publicising the event?

    As for the “ratepayers of the village area” well obviously they are not as courageous as you imply you are. I’m sure you’ve often led the charge to put terrorist thugs in their place.

    Do you also wear your underpants on the outside?

    I’ll ignore your professed knowledge of what the “locals” in Sandy Row either knew or didn’t know (oops back to that poster point again). My “knowledge” of West Belfast is, in part, informed by its voting record over many, many years. Now what does that tell you about “demonising” people for supporting terrorist linked groups?

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