In law there is a difference between a company Ltd by guarantee and one which is not. Were there no difference there would be no need for a registrar of companies and the various legislations thereunder.
As I mentioned earlier in this very discussion I’m not particularly interested in Wills company status or accounts. It is you, with your fury goggles clearly on, who is assuming that I am referencing his company only. I’m not.
“It’s genius, the grant has been effectively cut by £50,000 but they’ve made it seem like a good news storery. lol.”
So it would appear, Government spin at its finest. They also appear to have managed to introduce some form of “survival of the fittest” mechanism in relation to any future funding.
I suspect that voluntary and community based arts groups will have to jump through ever more hoops to qualify for funding and produce factual data as to their value for money or be driven into the ground.
Irrespective of whether the inclusion or omission of Ltd makes absolutely no difference to anyone you have ever met is irrelevant. They are, as you know, different in law.
Sorry to have annoyed you by, as you put it, my “trying to pretend that anything is being obscured” but here’s a thought…. I’m not responsible for how you represent your business or how funders reflect their dealings with / funding of your business (in whatever guise) – that’s up to you / them.
I should, of course, point out that nowhere did I mention charities.
As such my explanations as to the differences between incorporated and non incorporated business entities were entirely valid.
That said I’m well aware of the Act and the fact that charities can opt not to include the word Limited (or ltd) in their title.
On that point – according to the Charity Commission NI – it is the Belfast Community Circus School Ltd and not simply Belfast Community Circus School which is registered on the list of deemed charities.
By the way, I liked your pop “That’s why I don’t hide behind false names.”
Somewhat ironic don’t you think given the obvious legal protections afforded by trading as one entity whilst maintaining a Ltd by guarantee protection in the same name.
I’m not really interested in your company status or your accounts – I was merely trying to explain the differences in trading entities to Nevin, Rapunsell and any others who might be interested.
Actually, having just checked the historical funding records of ACNI all of the funding they’ve provided has been to the “Belfast Community Circus School” and not the Ltd company.
It would be more correct to say that there are limited companies in both names.
Just because there is a “Ltd” company registered in the same name does not mean that you are dealing with that ltd company.
A limited company and a trading entity with the same name (minus Ltd) are two very distinctly different entities.
Indeed neither of the sites referenced sport a Company registration number which, were they the official sites of Ltd companies, they are required to do under Companies law.
That would suggest they are, indeed, separate trading entities.
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on 18 February 2012 at 4:04 pm
Drumlins Rock,
It is you who is showing their ignorance.
In law there is a difference between a company Ltd by guarantee and one which is not. Were there no difference there would be no need for a registrar of companies and the various legislations thereunder.
As I mentioned earlier in this very discussion I’m not particularly interested in Wills company status or accounts. It is you, with your fury goggles clearly on, who is assuming that I am referencing his company only. I’m not.
Go and have yourself a wee lie down.
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on 17 February 2012 at 10:11 am
“It’s genius, the grant has been effectively cut by £50,000 but they’ve made it seem like a good news storery. lol.”
So it would appear, Government spin at its finest. They also appear to have managed to introduce some form of “survival of the fittest” mechanism in relation to any future funding.
I suspect that voluntary and community based arts groups will have to jump through ever more hoops to qualify for funding and produce factual data as to their value for money or be driven into the ground.
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on 17 February 2012 at 2:41 am
Will, I’ve implied / accused you of nothing.
Irrespective of whether the inclusion or omission of Ltd makes absolutely no difference to anyone you have ever met is irrelevant. They are, as you know, different in law.
Sorry to have annoyed you by, as you put it, my “trying to pretend that anything is being obscured” but here’s a thought…. I’m not responsible for how you represent your business or how funders reflect their dealings with / funding of your business (in whatever guise) – that’s up to you / them.
Goodnight.
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on 16 February 2012 at 2:32 pm
Thanks for the interjection Drumlins Rock.
I should, of course, point out that nowhere did I mention charities.
As such my explanations as to the differences between incorporated and non incorporated business entities were entirely valid.
That said I’m well aware of the Act and the fact that charities can opt not to include the word Limited (or ltd) in their title.
On that point – according to the Charity Commission NI – it is the Belfast Community Circus School Ltd and not simply Belfast Community Circus School which is registered on the list of deemed charities.
If you don’t believe me try their website.
http://www.charitycommissionni.org.uk/Our_regulatory_activity/List_of_deemed_charities.aspx
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on 16 February 2012 at 7:38 am
By the way, I liked your pop “That’s why I don’t hide behind false names.”
Somewhat ironic don’t you think given the obvious legal protections afforded by trading as one entity whilst maintaining a Ltd by guarantee protection in the same name.
Each to their own I suppose.
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on 16 February 2012 at 7:03 am
Will, many thanks for that, much appreciated.
I’m not really interested in your company status or your accounts – I was merely trying to explain the differences in trading entities to Nevin, Rapunsell and any others who might be interested.
They’re not all out to get you.
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on 15 February 2012 at 10:25 pm
Actually, having just checked the historical funding records of ACNI all of the funding they’ve provided has been to the “Belfast Community Circus School” and not the Ltd company.
http://www.artscouncil-ni.org/award/recent/funding.htm
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on 15 February 2012 at 10:17 pm
It would be more correct to say that there are limited companies in both names.
Just because there is a “Ltd” company registered in the same name does not mean that you are dealing with that ltd company.
A limited company and a trading entity with the same name (minus Ltd) are two very distinctly different entities.
Indeed neither of the sites referenced sport a Company registration number which, were they the official sites of Ltd companies, they are required to do under Companies law.
That would suggest they are, indeed, separate trading entities.
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on 2 November 2011 at 12:14 am
What iluvni said.
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Comment on McGuinness and the unintended messages of #Aras11
on 1 November 2011 at 8:47 pm
Quite possibly, yes.
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