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Broadly speaking most nationalist and republican areas have very few murals now and the majority of these are community based or with the international wall on the falls road have an array of murals covering a variety of topics but none that anyway resemble that new loyalist one.
Republicans use murals but not in the way loyalism does and dont use masked and armed men in their murals and haven’t done for a very long time.
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What is it that unionists can’t accept about the maze site. Is it the fact that all sides will have an opportunity to tell story and the truth will be rather uncomfortable for the whiter than white version that unionist believe to be the case.
At least its now clear that willie Frazer, Sam mc crory, jim alister and the rabble currently destroying Belfast on the street actually lead the DUP
To save Peter the hassle he should have just condensed the 12 page letter down to: ‘We are crapping ourselves about taking a hammering at the next election so we need to play to the lowest common denominator within our community’.
Apparently word is the DUP’s next move is to round up all the local history books and burn them at the top of Twadell Ave and then destroy any video evidence that exists of the conflict, that’s the way to get your one sided supremacist mindset version of history across.
People and strategy evolves so just because its right in 1973 or 1993 doesn’t mean it has to be so in 2013.
Time and time again the various micro groups have put themselves forward in elections and time and time again the people have spoken and told them where to go.
Once again you fail to address the points I made about the calibre of people at this so called anti Internment parade but that’s fine.
For me there is only one story which should be focused on here and that is the actions and inaction of unionism however sometimes these micro groups just help feed the us and them mentality.
Your so blinded its unbelievable and while I would love to spend all day at this I’m afraid I’ve better stuff to do.
Why would irsp members invited to a SF commemoration? They have their own i assume so whats the issue.
You seem to forget that not one of these armed grouping alphabet yet to come out and explain their actions or rationale including the crimes they are committing against their own communities.
Having stood and watched first hand the type of people on that so called anti internment parade last night I know I’m on the right side. Known criminals and antisocials, tiger kidnappers for personal gain, people drinking with my national flag wrapped around them like a skirt or cape is not what I see as republican and yes maybe some people have genuine reasons for being on the march but at one stage to me it looked like a mirror image of the east belfast flag parades into the city centre, sad and pathetic people who have little interest in republicanism
That should read weren’t mentioned
Never once have I been at a hunger strike commemoration where all ten men were mention or in a mural etc plus frank stagg a Michael gaughan so that point you made makes no sense.
SF consistantly worked on the Marion price, Brendan lillas and Martin Corey cases amongsts others yet other so called republicans criticised them for doing nothing in full knowledge they were working in the cases all along plus they have helped many attend compassionate parole events.
As for this nonsense that SF supports ‘British security forces’ is just so far off the mark its unbelievable.
Just because SF have an actual strategy and one that doesn’t involve death and destruction or the leeching of local businesses and the taxing of drug dealers doesn’t mean they cease to be republicans. There are very few in the so called dissident groupings and parties who haven’t seriously questionable backgrounds and even a certain laptop warrior from Ardoyne has such as dodgy past, one really has to question, who is pulling the strings
The notion that SF would happily bargain garvaghy road for something else is a nonsense and anyone with half a brain would know that.
As for Ardoyne from what I have seen and read Garci and their ‘support’ seem to be taking a very sectarian approach to it which is really just a mirror image of their cousins currently camped at twaddell.
As for SF being a mouthpiece of Britain, seriously?
Having witnessed first hand the drinkers with my national flag wrapped around them at this so called anti interment march and it being lead by Mr Bean, of tiger kidnappings for personal gain, I can say with confidence based on that map parade last night that it wasn’t SF who sold out
When I mention restrictions to parading it was in response to something greenflag had posted.
What I was trying to get at was if Richard haass or whoever was to implement any changes or restrictions to the amount of parades here, because parading is very much a PUL thing going by the numbers they have then it will affect them more than CNR community.
Just to be clear no community or society should be affected by unwanted parades but there has to be a better understanding of shared spaces such as town and city centres etc
I don’t disagree with your points there and for me I think until the PUL community ditch the supremacist mentality and get to grips with the fact that their once as British as finchly statelet is long gone then these problems well never go away.
As for banning all parades expect for one week a year, while not a bad idea it wouldn’t work. Any contentious parades should have to seek a local agreement and be force to pay the cost of policing on that day, however any restrictions on parading will really only affect the PUL community who parade more than anybody and have the lions share of contentious parades
I don’t think it’s the case that this section of unionism is all but leaderless as you say.
They have leaders within the DUP, UUP, UVF/PUP and UDA and it is the actions or in actions of all these groups combined, giving the wrong type of leadership that has this section of unionism where it is today.
If you contrast where republicans are today compared with this rump of unionists it’s clear to see that republicans have provided leadership in the right direct, into government, police etc whereas the so called unionist leadership are doing the opposite and stirring the melting pot as they do best
Between the bridges,
Autocorrect nightmare there,
They aren’t republican let me just make that clear!
Want to know about these so called republican bonfires during the week.
Firstly they are republican, they are anti community and criminal and a way for know thugs to damage and destroy the area in which they live although they do that most of they year.
SF and other leading republicans have been condemning them and all that goes on at them and doing everything they can to get rid of them. The people who build and participate in these bonfires are just like their knuckledragging PUL cousins who think its ok to burn effigies and flags in the name of culture and who are just the sectarian rump of society.
Republican areas don’t want them and the scum who go with them, simples!
Republicans have every right to commemorate their comrades with a dignified parade. Firstly Castlederg like Belfast city centre is not the preserve of unionism and secondly republicans also have tried to address some of the concerns raised by taking it away from the cenotaph.
The nature of our history in this part of Ireland is that many things happened in the same locations over the years so republicans have every right to walk through Castlederg just as unionist do over 15 times every year for a variety of reasons.
I think the problem really is that unionist cant stomach the fact that republicans hold IRA volunteers in such high regard, unionist would rather republicans don their sackcloth and ashes and admit they were wrong and denounce their comrades as terrorists, its not going to happen
I think what you mean when you try to explain the rationale of the motivation of the violent unionists tonight and every other night is that they are tired with this equality crap and the taigs getting what they are entitled to like a fair share and respect for their identity, which still has a long way to go btw, and that’s what makes them angry.
They are a disgrace and are loyal to themselves and whatever local business they can extort
I don’t think your too far off the mark there. I don’t agree with those who organised the march however they did at least pick the least contentious route possible however that being said there was always going to be a violent reaction to it by loyalism/unionism as it seems that’s the only way they know how to at them minute.
Gerry Adams tweeted earlier that the protestors and marchers are more or less a mirror image of each other and I tend to agree with that. Both are stuck in the past, trying to bring back bonfires in republican areas is a joke and their mentality at the minute seems to be to copy each other.
I have to say on a side note that the calibre of people on the march was questionable to say the least with known anti-social/criminal elements, some drinking alcohol walking alongside so called dissidents
So the next steps will be the various mouthpieces of loyalism and unionism will be out on the airwaves and social media claiming it was the police, the marchers or even the Mayor started it but will not accept one iota of responsibility.
Loyalism and unionism needs to wise up and get with the program cause they are talking out of both sides of their mouth and still some journalist fail to challenge them on the facts that are out their.
It was more than a few women and the various footage and photos show that clearly.
1 mayor assaulted and 9 police officer injured, so who’s lying?
Try staying on topic.
Do you condemn the sectarian bigoted assault on the mayor?
I suspect their deflective comments come from William Humphries book of ‘ how to respond to questions when your a bigot’.