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  1. Comment on In his brother’s child rape case Gerry Adams faces his own appalling vista
    on 4 October 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Charles_Gould 4 October 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Compare and contrast Conal McDevitt’s integrity.

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    Demonstrates the barrel scraping levels these threads have got to.

    Integrity and Conal McDevitt.

    Are we all cringing yet?

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  2. Comment on “it is impossible to believe that any other political leader on this island would survive…”
    on 4 October 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Mick Fealty 4 October 2013 at 11:08 am

    The RUC (as ‘police’) would/could not pursue such allegations once it had been withdrawn by the victim.
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    Quite true Mick. Well explained.

    Could you now explain why Aine withdrew her complaint in 1987?

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  3. Comment on In his brother’s child rape case Gerry Adams faces his own appalling vista
    on 4 October 2013 at 12:00 am

    Anyone else struggling with this “child rape victim walks into a police station with her mother and tells police she was raped. They start a file and do…”???

    Over to Mick and the boys to sort that one out.

    Strapped in.

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  4. Comment on In his brother’s child rape case Gerry Adams faces his own appalling vista
    on 3 October 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Sorry to get all legal. Was Gerard Adams in the room when these abuses occurred? Is he a first hand witness?

    Regardless of what you think he was told, or hope he was told, can he actually without taking someone else’s word for it say what did or did not happen?

    Over to you.

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  5. Comment on More #Twaddell: DUP, dupes and duplicity.
    on 3 October 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Comrade Stalin 3 October 2013 at 10:41 pm

    FDM,

    Dry your eyes.

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    I do of course note that I have a yellow card I and you do not.

    The case for the prosecution rests.

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  6. Comment on In his brother’s child rape case Gerry Adams faces his own appalling vista
    on 3 October 2013 at 8:44 pm

    The other thing you have to say is honesty.

    If Pete and Mick weren’t the boys that cried “Sinn Fein Wolf” at EVERY SINGLE DROP OF A HAT, perhaps we could take their faux outrage at face value.

    This is what happens when people get fatigued with a constant stream of the same mono-object exhortations on the evils of SF and everyone therein.

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  7. Comment on In his brother’s child rape case Gerry Adams faces his own appalling vista
    on 3 October 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Why did the policemen NOT do their duty?

    Simple question? She was a child.

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  8. Comment on “it is impossible to believe that any other political leader on this island would survive…”
    on 3 October 2013 at 8:31 pm

    When are the policemen who ignored a child rape victim in order to turn her into an informer going to be brought before the courts?

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  9. Comment on In his brother’s child rape case Gerry Adams faces his own appalling vista
    on 3 October 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Tir Chonaill Gael 3 October 2013 at 8:19 pm

    ‘We know that he actively obstructed and delayed her attempts to seek even limited justice, until as she put it she realised, “he was buttering me up. In the end I realised it was all about PR and protecting his own image.”’
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    So just to be clear about this. Gerry Adams stood outside a police station and physically stopped her from walking in and making a complaint.

    The reasons that are quoted for the complaint being withdrawn in 1987 is that rather than the police doing their duty to protect a rape victim they decided to use a girl who had already been terribly used into a police informer?

    Please clear that up for me.

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  10. Comment on “it is impossible to believe that any other political leader on this island would survive…”
    on 3 October 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Mick Fealty 3 October 2013 at 8:12 pm

    All the evidence is that no one was ever told of Liam’s offending.
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    Except the RUC of course in 1987.

    But shush about that, no-one wants to know.

    Just to be clear on this, the only person(s) who could be charged in a criminal court over this dereliction of duty are staff in the RUC at that time.

    Sorry don’t let me interrupt the mud slinging.

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  11. Comment on In his brother’s child rape case Gerry Adams faces his own appalling vista
    on 3 October 2013 at 8:13 pm

    keano10 3 October 2013 at 6:27 pm

    “This is a familiar Slugger tactic which is solely unique to Gerry Adams. To immediately follow a massive thread on the topic of GA with another one exactly same.”

    “Absolument” as they say in France. He shoots, he scores. Give the man a cupie-doll.

    Not just one stretch in the pillory, they might be able to milk this one for 4 maybe 5 outings.

    I wonder if any of the journo’s, pseudo-journo’s, wannabe-journo’s out there have actually picked up the phone to ask Aine Adams what she thinks of Gerry getting the time over this that he is getting?

    As far as I know, she is the only one that has been harmed by Liam Adams that we know of?

    Does she think it is right that Gerry is carrying the can for the family dirty linen and the abuses of the brother?

    Perhaps one of the “journo’s”, using the widest possible terms, can actually shed light on Aine’s point of view?

    At ease gentlemen, please do not let me interrupt the mud slinging.

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  12. Comment on “it is impossible to believe that any other political leader on this island would survive…”
    on 3 October 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Niccolo 3 October 2013 at 3:52 pm

    “Do you have any comments on cynic2′s corrections to your sequence of events….made on 3rd October @ 11:02 am?”

    Apologies as I stated, in the nicest possible way, at 3 October 2013 at 11:19 am, that I had difficulty understanding what said contributor had written. Now I can’t put that in any other way or be accused of the dreaded man-playing.

    “Do you have any proof that, “The RUC….chose to attempt to exploit the situation for political ends”?”

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/timeline-of-events-leading-to-liam-adams-conviction-29625576.html

    To quote what the Indie say there.

    “February 1987 – Aine Adams and her mother retract statements about abuse over attempts to exploit them for intelligence gathering. A detective tells Aine Adams the file will be retained on record”

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  13. Comment on “it is impossible to believe that any other political leader on this island would survive…”
    on 3 October 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Mick.

    I fail to see how this…

    “If Gerry Adams has charges to answer then let legal process take its due course and let justice be done upon him.”

    is in any way unclear.

    I know little about child abuse thankfully and I find it so frightful that I think that I sub-conciously probably try to avoid the subject like the plague. Like recoiling from a spider or a snake if you like, a natural reaction.

    Oh and being all on your own in an argument doesn’t necessarily mean that you are wrong. You should only get nervous about it when they introduce the next act as “Salome the exotic dancer”…

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  14. Comment on No #Twaddell from Parades Commission
    on 3 October 2013 at 3:11 pm

    carl marks 3 October 2013 at 2:39 pm

    “Im sorry to say if your mother is the lady im thinking of i stole one of her smaller Gnomes once and im afaird i dont know where it is somewhere in the Bluestacks if memory serves”

    The one that got away? Another Crumlin Road escapee?

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  15. Comment on “it is impossible to believe that any other political leader on this island would survive…”
    on 3 October 2013 at 3:00 pm

    carl marks 3 October 2013 at 2:34 pm

    If Gerry Adams has charges to answer then let legal process take its due course and let justice be done upon him.

    “Now i am well aware that Pete (and Mick) both are hardly neutral”

    How very dare you? How can you possibly say that?

    I keep going back to 1987. The RUC had the opportunity to put Liam Adams away then and chose to attempt to exploit the situation for political ends. The officer(s) in charge of handling those complaints should be prosecuted for dereliction of their duty in my opinion. Had the police done their duty Liam Adams would have been imprisoned then and prevented from any further malfeasance and Pete and the rest of the mob of rock throwers would have nothing to fling. Strange we don’t see Pete et al. calling for the prosecution of the police here? OK not that strange then.

    I understand that at one juncture it is alleged that Gerry A. threatened Liam Adams with a hammer in order for him to cough up the truth. It doesn’t sound like someone who was condoning the mans disgusting actions.

    Between 1987 and 2006 the girl in question had ample opportunities to try with a further complaint. She was an adult by 1991. Why the gap? Seems to me objectively that there were a lot of intra-familial wranglings going on and that has helped to muddy this situation. Where there is mud there are always mud-throwers.

    As the father of three I find it all rather squalid and disgusting. Ultimately GA was not at the centre of that, his brother was. Is GA his brothers keeper? Is he Aines keeper? Well no, she has a mother as well. The mother did not divorce Liam Adams until 1991 I understand, four years after this initially came to light. Murky all the way. I don’t know what really went on inside the families involved and without. Neither do you and neither does anyone on this thread.

    For me its getting at Gerry Adams by proxy because of peoples wish to vent their spleen in his direction because they hate the man and his politics.

    From Pete and co. its no real surprise and to an extent you become immune to it. Practically every thread he writes is the same.

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  16. Comment on No #Twaddell from Parades Commission
    on 3 October 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Those gnomes died for Ireland facing the enemy.

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  17. Comment on “it is impossible to believe that any other political leader on this island would survive…”
    on 3 October 2013 at 1:52 pm

    toaster 3 October 2013 at 1:39 pm

    “He has suffered and been through such an ordeal”

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    And there we have it. The ideal fling in a Pete Baker thread.

    Lets get those rocks flying at whatever Shinner Pete has stuck in the pillory this time.

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  18. Comment on No #Twaddell from Parades Commission
    on 3 October 2013 at 12:39 pm

    I laughed last night on the Nolan show TV when Humphries said there was no history of trouble in the Crumlin Road parade.

    Example. My mother liked gnomes. I know but someone has to. She would even paint them. I know but someone has to. She placed them in the front garden of her house [SHOP with no goods for sale for OO people] in that row of houses [SHOPS obviously] on the Crumlin Road.

    Every single one of my mothers gnomes was decapitated by bricks during different flare-ups surrounding those parades in the 70s and 80s. You can imagine the actual quantity of bricks that have to be thrown into a garden over a period of time to kill 4/5 gnomes spread over the garden.

    I can’t recall how many times the front bay window had to be reglazed. It got to a point where we would board it for those glorious trouble free days in July.

    Matters not who did the chucking, the point is the parade has always been a disaster going back as long as I can remember.

    Humphries statement last night on Nolan that there was no history of trouble or violence surrounding those parades past the Crumlin Road houses [SHOPS without cash registers] just doesn’t tally with the truth of the situation from personal experience.

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  19. Comment on Glossary: What is Whataboutery?
    on 3 October 2013 at 12:29 pm

    If it were a legal glossary I would say it was a “partial defence” like contributory negligence. By going to the “whataboutery” defence you are admitting a measure of culpability but trying to reduce the hit by transferring an element of blame to others.

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  20. Comment on “it is impossible to believe that any other political leader on this island would survive…”
    on 3 October 2013 at 11:19 am

    cynic2 3 October 2013 at 11:02 am

    Could you humour me and try that one more time?

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