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  1. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 20 April 2014 at 1:10 pm

    McSlaggart
    I know I should stop trying to get a straight answer from you, but what the hey.One more heave.
    “When in your view was northern Ireland free from disturbance in a state of tranquillity?”
    Your question presupposes that I have said such a state of tranquility existed, which I have not, nor would I.
    So any answer for me? What do you mean when you say
    “An unjust peace is better than a just war.”. In relation to here?
    tacapall;
    I mean hapless in the sense that any soldier or indeed anyone else who was prosecuted at this stage for crimes committed 20 or 30 years ago might consider themselves the unfortunate one, if singled out as an example. If they did the crime of course they deserve the full weight of the law.
    The 2 year sentence is simple speculation on my part about a hypothetical prosecution, which I was suggesting might be offered up to ease the concerns of republicans as expressed above by Gerry Kelly.

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  2. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 20 April 2014 at 10:58 am

    McSlaggart
    Blimey, all these gnomic utterances are hurting my brainpan.
    Are you now saying the unjust peace we had before the PIRA campaign would have been preferable to what came after?
    Mick
    I know we did digress but there is not that much to say about the 2 differing opinions in the OP.. For what it’s worth I think Kelly has a point in regard to the lack of prosecutions of state forces.
    Maybe there will yet be a show trial as a sop to republicans. Some hapless squadie chosen as scapegoat for all the sins of the army/RUC/UDR, given the requisite 2 year sentence and out in 6 months.

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  3. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 19 April 2014 at 6:03 pm

    McSlaggart
    We have been talking all along about whether you think the IRA campaign was just or unjust.
    On their killing of civilians you said:
    “That is the nature of war, just or unjust”
    It appears you know very well the injustice I am on about.
    So how about a definitive clear opinion?
    You have cited a couple of criteria you think they met. Does that mean you think it was a just war?

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  4. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 19 April 2014 at 1:33 pm

    McSlaggart
    You appear to be accepting the injustice and so to speak shrugging your shoulders.
    But it is more than an academic point. There is a continuing battle at present to see whose version of history becomes the accepted one.
    Sinn Fein are working hard on their revisionism.
    It can’t have been about ‘Brits out’ as they are still here so it must really have been about civil rights all along.

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  5. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 19 April 2014 at 11:36 am

    McSlaggart
    Mainland Ulsterman has beaten me to the punch, but I have to add that the PIRA were not interested in negotiating peace but only surrender, namely a British withdrawal from Ireland.
    It is possible to argue for a just cause alright. There was plenty of injustice against Catholics.
    Whether many volunteers took up arms for a good cause or to satisfy their own personal demons is hard to know. Many may well have ended up committing crimes of violence of a more ‘mundane’ sort such as domestic abuse or assault if they did not have their ‘war’.
    I can’t see how this was a last resort though, and as you are not a physical force republican I assume you agree.
    Furthermore they would fail the criteria of jus in bello for the repeated harm done to civilians.

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  6. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 18 April 2014 at 6:29 pm

    McSlaggart
    Thanks for the nice quotation. A bit of culture never goes amiss.
    However, I can’t help feeling you are being a bit evasive after me giving clear answers to your 2 questions .
    So why not venture an opinion. You must have thought about it.
    If you live here then it affected you and you should be entitled to an opinion on whether their ‘war’ was just or not.

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  7. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 18 April 2014 at 3:12 pm

    McSlaggart
    “Do you think the B Specials techniques was acceptable?”
    Oh well done you nearly got me there. No I don’t think the B specials techniques were acceptable. What next? The Gulf War? Dresden?
    Or would you get to the point about the IRA and their war.
    Do you think it met the criteria as set out by tmitch57, for example, for a just war? And if so why?

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  8. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 18 April 2014 at 1:09 pm

    McSlaggart
    “Churchill said ‘Ulster will fight and Ulster will be right” in Belfast. Do you disagree with him?”
    Not sure what that has to do with the IRA campaign, but if you mean do I think a similar campaign against home rule would have been just, well definitely not.
    Now what are your thought on the Provos and just war theory?

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  9. Comment on A tale of two wars (well two divergent accounts of the same war)…
    on 17 April 2014 at 7:15 pm

    MU/McSlaggart
    The IRA could not fulfil the criteria for a just war by any stretch of the imagination.
    Declared by lawful authority? No
    Reasonable chance of success? Not at all
    Proportional? Hardly

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  10. Comment on Row over GAA tops at University of Ulster
    on 12 April 2014 at 7:51 am

    “The policy will cover, inter alia, political expression, culture, language and dress code.”
    Has there really been no policy in place to cover these things until now?

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