Friday, March 21, 2008
When Adams Falls, Who Benefits?
Squinter’s column has hit a raw nerve somewhere, generating some 51 comments (so far) on his blog, which was, until now, a tumbleweed winding across the desert end of cyberspace. Most of the comments are generally supportive, as for once he is actually articulating the honest view of many in West Belfast. But he has managed to get up the nose of some party faithful - which apparently has come as a surprise to him. Still, the question of what it actually means is debatable; after all, Squinter himself has been no friend to those who have been saying much the same thing over the years, using his column and paper to silence and belittle those who had the courage to question Adams and his leadership when it wasn’t popular to do so. And let us not forget also that the British government has given significant financial support to the Andersonstown News which has no doubt skewed its pro-peace process, pro-Sinn Fein editorial line (£1,275,412 as of June, 2005). So what are they at now? We have seen informers close to Adams being exposed, which has damaged his credibility, especially so in the wake of his disastrous performance in the southern election. The revelations in Jonathan Powell’s book aren’t helping, either. Can Squinter’s piece can be seen as another salvo in what looks like a push against Adams; or is it “managed criticism”, meant to draw the sting away, much as Eoin O’Broin’s article in the wake of the southern elections was seen to be doing? If Adams is being pushed, who does that leave standing but McGuinness, a man the British are quite comfortable doing business with, and so too, Unionists. The Irish Times and the Guardian have picked up on the article, with Adams dismissing Robin Livingstone as an “anonymous scribe”. Some choice comments from his blog follow.
Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 13:44
well said squinter. i’m a 22 year vet of the RM, voted for adams and endorsed the political direction believing it would bring a measure of social justice to our communities. now all i see is a very wealthy leadership who have abandoned west belfast to the hoods and scumbags: it is more dangerous living here than at any time during the war. but that doesn’t matter to adams and co. they have their “other” properties a million miles away from the mess they have left in west belfast. the leadership betrayed our loyalty to them. Despair is all we have left to show for our noble efforts.
Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 13:55
Squinter is well named. Bad eyesight and a brain to match. Look at where we were 25 years ago when Gerry Adams was elected MP for this area and where we are today. The situation has been transformed. We are in a better place with great opportunities for the future. Are there still problems? of course there are. But it seems to me that the next election will not eb the first Squinter has stayed at home for. But then given your salary you can afford to. The rest of us will get on with trying to make a better place for our kids and Squinters as well.
Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 14:41
Poor old Squinter… well seen the ‘Big Guy’ didn’t do 20 years at anything… come to think of it, how would Squinter know anything about Long Kesh lectures unless he heard about them over a pint in the Roddies? Having said that - fair’s fair - Squinter has spent all his time during Gerry A’s tenure as MP helping to turn the Andytown News from a staunch and courageous community flagship into an crappy advertising sheet for cheap labour and off-licences. And on that basis alone Squinter’s entitled to shout and squeal from the sidelines… and anyway how long is it since Squinter gave up ‘balefully’ standing on the other side of the barricades so he could sup tea in that sumptuous button back leather armchair with the Chief… ‘bout five years of retirement now, isn’t that right Squinter?
Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 16:02
As a Sinn Fein activist, let me start by thanking Squinter for having the courage to honestly make his case against the leadership of my own party for letting down the people of west Belfast.It gives me no pleasure to state that I believe he is correct in his criticisms. As republicans, we have succeeded in a number of key initiatives in the past 10 to 15 years, not least bringing an end to the war and negotiating a compromise which brought an end to centuries of British and unionist domination over nationalists. For that success, the Irish people- not least the catholic and nationalist people of the six counties- will remain indebted to the current leadership of Sinn Fein.
But our leadership has failed to date to develop the same strategic approach to what I would term ‘real politics,’ i.e. those everyday issues affecting people’s lives beyond the politics of the British-Irish conflict.
To this day, Sinn Fein has no economic policy nor economic spokesperson of note in the Assembly, which explains why the DUP has been permitted to shape economic policy for the new Executive without so much as a word from our leaders.
The leadership of Sinn Fein has never prioritised the development of imaginative, coherent and effective strategies and policies to tackle problems as diverse as tourism, enterprise, agriculture, health, transport nor education (the consequences of those failings regarding the last area being painfully obvious at this moment in time.)
Consequently, we have been left with a political leadership which has found itself exposed as the new era of ‘bread and butter’ politics has emerged.
As worrying, the similar shortcomings of a middle-ranking leadership and panel of political advisors employed by the party have been exposed, given that the expertise of these respected individuals belongs to the conflict era and not an era in which professional, political and legal expertise is the currency of worth.
For west Belfast, this has meant Sinn Fein has yet to take the initiative in developing a tourist nor economic development strategy, never mind getting beyond the type of nonsensical ramblings of one MLA recently defending the right of young thugs to not have their criminal records revealed after they turn eighteen.
I mustn’t have been alone in our community for wishing that our political leaders had’ve taken a leaf out of Ian Og’s book and use the negotiations with the Brits to bring economic investment and transport improvements to our communities!
The time has long since come for the Sinn Fein leadership to address the mammoth shortcomings within our party in terms of the failure to develop tangible policies and strategies to improve the lives of our people.
Squinter should not be lambasted for his contribution. Rather, he should be praised by genuine republicans and we in Sinn Fein should commit ourselves to delivering the policies our people deserve.
Sinn Fein activist,
West Belfast
Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 17:30
Communities need leadership, that was why i supported sinn Fein. i think Gerry Adams tries his best, but has depended on his councillors and MLAs to be the voice of communities and give leadership at local level. This is where the problem lies. For the most part they are a bunch of time wasters and play no part in the development of the upper springfield. they will of course respond with a list of ‘we do this’ and have done this’ I went to a number of meetings attended by these so called councillors and felt they were taking up space reserved for someone with intelligence. How they were elected was anybodys guess. The upper springfield safer neighbourhood scheme is another farce........gerry will send them into the lower falls to initiate something there, while the murph goes into recline. Jobs for the toothless boys.
Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 20:08
Is this the News Letter or Telegraph or was squinter on the swall with Willie Frazer.Well Squinter, you and your mate must of had a few jars when you started talking Politics and Gerry bashing in the Roddies on St Pats Day. I can just hear the many romatic republican tunes playig in the background eulogising all those dead and sacrificed republicans. They didnt die so you could sing about them squinter. Maybe you should have been standing outside the off license in west belfast with your rag of a newspaper (which will never be bought by me again) showing all the kids the latest offers off alco pops that were on sale advertised in your rag. As a young republican who has family members buried in the milltown plot i say shame on your paper. Next time one of your papers go down the pan Mr O Mullieor dont be asking Gerry A for help, ask squinter and the super provos he was gargling with on St Pats Day. Maybe it was Anthony Mc Intyre he was drinking with. Need I say More.
PS: Community Newspaper my Backside. Make money for O Mullieor more like it.
Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 20:18
I whole-heartedly agree with the substance of Squinters article. I have been a Sinn Fein voter for the last 20 years but will never agin give them my vote. I lived in the Lower Falls for all of my life and still have family living there. I fear for their safety every day and night. Whilst the Sinn Fein hierarchy have indeed abandoned us for holiday homes all over Ireland and Europe, the real residents are forced to deal with what they can’t or won’t. They have led us into a stabilised Northern Ireland with no foreseeable end, only dreams of the 32 County Socialist republic that all genuine Repulicans yearn for. Yes, politics is a great career. The only difference in Britsih Direct Rule and Stormont administration is that Sinn Fein ministers and MLA’s get the big fat cat wages. They have disgraced a noble ideology. The ultimate irony is that men like Bap McGreevy who fought to free us from British rule and to guarantee freedom for all citizens is murdered by the lowest dregs of our own society. Not British troops, not the RUC or their Loyalist proxys, but a child of people raised on his own doorstep. Maybe CRJ and Sinn Fein will organise a lunch in the Balmoral or a black tie dinner in the Europa to discuss the matter with their new comrades in the PSNI. We were better off with the IRA looking after our areas. I WISH THEY HADN’T GONE AWAY, YOU KNOW!!
Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 20:28
So the mask slips. Squinter, that closet SDLP middle-class wannabe, deigns to turn his sideways look on some real issues facing the people of west Belfast. The people whose money gave him the comfortable lifestyle he enjoys courtesy of a good community paper that he and his cronies subverted for their own grubby ends and for personal profit. Robin secretly despises his own community, being the snob he is. He smarts because he wouldn’t have been able to cut it in the world of ‘real journalism’.
For once, however, instead of snide remarks about pyjamas and sideswipes at those addicted to nicotine, he uncharacteristically goes for the throat.
From this bar stool, crawthumping coward, who wouldn’t be fit to lace the boots of those he now denigrates, it is all a bit rich. Were it not for the fact that Mr Livingstone, who likes to draw a discreet veil of secrecy over his own identity, has to fill the few non-advert inches in Marty Millar’s rag then this bum would spend all his time in the Roddies having his ego massaged by those who haven’t the wit to realise that he only rubs shoulders with the snooker room crowd so that his ‘mighty intellect’ may shine.
Robin you wouldn’t know how to find your way to Ross Road or Ross Street they are just a little bit out of your normal orbit and your comfort zone. Stick to the witty remarks and to the company of the wine and cheese brigade where you feel so much more at home.
Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 22:29
Squinter, Hold your nerve my friend,
in the morning pull your shoulders back and get out and about west belfast , especially the lower whack where your own people are from, your own family are a proud republican family who have gave more than most , at such a heavy cost, this in itself gives you a definate right to say what you did ,as you thought was right, when journalists are lambasted or prevented from doing this then newspapers and indeed us all are finished,major and the free state tried it and it didnt work,i am in no way a dissident, but i have no doubt that there would be many who would love to label me one for commending you,you have just taken ONE GIANT STEP FOR WESTBELFAST!Thank you, wont be missing the atown news for a while, that is if its still there.
Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 22:37
The Sinn Fein thing gets more like Animal Farm - some are more equal than others etc - the longer it goes on. Closed siopa methinks. Could someone tell me why there are 3 Councillors Maskey in the city hall? Dare I go into the QUANGOs as well? Mr Adams has fooled too many for too long - and I’m sure Squinter you will be labelled an ‘extremist’ like anyone who dared to question the strategy of the SF leadership. Gerry may have cut his teeth in the war - but in the ‘peace’ he is a political flyweight - dare I mention the elections in the 26 last year? As for Catriona.. tell her thatthe people of “Wist Billfest” know that she is a blow-in and a pretty inept one at that .. but then again .. it’s not what you know...etc
Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 23:44
Bap McGreevy was killed by a member of a well known criminal family. What’s the big surprise? Nothing, except that on this occasion Robin Livingstone, who has made a career out of playing to the lowest common denominator, has eventually had the ‘dutch’ courage of his convictions and has been goaded by his beer-buddies into speaking out against Sinn Fein.
Costly mistake Squinty boy. The life of ‘haircuts’, ‘picking up at the airport’ and generally skiving and lording it over your ‘yellow-pack’ journalists may well be at an end.
At least your ‘out of character’ outburst is a step up from slagging off a mother who had the audacity to smell of drink at your daughter’s confirmation and to breath on your ‘dry-cleaned suit’ I wonder how often Bap had his suit dry cleaned?
You don’t really give a shit about Bap Robin let’s be honest. Robin you really hurt that ‘hung-over mother, who recognised herself in your obnoxious piece. You really are a sanctimonious b****** and your ex-friends in SF will now hopefully bury your non-career and Mairtin’s rag with it.
We all know who will applaud you for your anti-SF diatribe:Dear Robin, sorry squinter, welcome to the club,
Signed by your newest and dearest friends, Malachi, Suzanne, Ed, Mackers, Eilish O’H , Pól O’M, Kevin M, Conor Cruise, Eoghan H etc, etc, etc.Squinter writes:
Dear crew thanks a bunch all is forgiven, I hope. Home at last, your long-estranged but prodigal friend.
Anonymous Says:
21 March 2008 00:26
I was at the vigil on thursday and Squinter you must have struck a raw nerve,Alex Maskey made a comment about hiding behind a pen , I agree with some of your comments Squinter , some i don,t but is Alex Maskey now telling people not to vent their anger , or write of their fear or critisize our elected politicians through letters to papers, since the end of the war against the british or since since the new phase of the struggle our community has been attacked within murders ,rapes , robbing , death riding , drugs i, m to old to fight any more , i and people like me are scared i have served my community well the only thing that i can do is pen a letter or have a pint and give off about what is going on so Alex, Gerry , Martin and all the rest i haves been loyal all my life remove the reasons and causes of our fear , lead our people and stop using vigils to complain about your critics our lives are at stake
Anonymous Says:
21 March 2008 00:31
Your brothers and your father, who all contributed mightily to this community, would be thoroughly ashamed of you. Look into your heart sqinter stop playing to the gallery.
Squinter certainly has hit a raw nerve. Cui bono?
Rusty Nail @ 02:45 PM
It wass good to see ‘Squinter’ asking these questions and they become more and more pertinent as Stormont beds in. If the lives of many in many areas, not just West Belfast, are not benefiting from the Process either economically or the social conditions people live with; who is to blame and can radical change actually occur under the new dispensation?
For me things are destined to become worse before they get better with a business/economic focus at Stormont that sees the social economic of very minor interest or focus. I can’t see any policies in place, being developed or likely to come from those that hold the levers of power that will address the real issues a lot of people face daily.
What is most worrying is the kneejerk hostility from SF loyalists in the comments on the blog - barely veiled threats to both ‘Squinter’ and the ATN’s viability do not generate confidence the legitimate issues raised will be addressed and probably more worrying was Adams’ response of dismissing the anonymous author (most of us know anyhow) and doing again exactly what the article raises; blaming someone else, in this case the PSNI, and washing the hands - something that doesn’t wash when ‘Squinter’ isn’t criticising over one incident but the absolute failure to make an impact on people’s lives and no likelihoods of it happening in the foreseeable future.
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:12 PMTwinbrook, fair points. I was merely pointing out that jsued because somebody used be in the WP (I’d guess Henry Mac hasn’t been for close to 20 years now) - that’s not a good reason to dismiss them (or their politics) out of hand.
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:25 PMMore than that CS, it is precisely the kind of irrelevant attack that Con complains takes place against ATN journos. Only it is even more bizarre since that one report has little to do with the substance of the post above.
The truth is the names of some journalists have various sets of anonymous commenters salivating.
A period of zero tolerance is required methinks.
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:30 PMbut if certain journos continually mask a(hidden agenda)to some, behind the mask of innuendo and so called authoritative investigation.....
and continue to inanely churn out the same tired line…
their past associations with dodgy characters must be questioned…
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:42 PMTwinbrook,
Guess so. I hear that “squinter” used to be the mucker of a fella who burnt the Ulster Collie Club to death. Talk about dodgy.
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:46 PMPicador
“Tell us what was really going down in Belfast during the mid-70s and how the bloody events of that period led to the assassination of Swedish prime-minister Olaf Palme.”
I’m afraid its not in the Book of Revelation and therefore not within my competence. I am of course expert in interpreting the major issues of the Book of Revelation. In fact I’ve written books about it. See Love is the Answer: The SDLP, Christianity and the Northern Ireland Conflict.
What can I say about Gerry Adams. I suppose it has to be that if you think that being a barman qualifies you to challenge Christ then I think that that’s you’re ego talking not your rational faculties.
A gun doesn’t make you smarter than Christ. But it is very likely to make you antichristian. It is a short step then to being THE Antichrist. For the reasons why Gerry Adams is the Antichrist, See http://www.johnoconnell.org
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:46 PMJohn,
You have been very frank about your mental health issues online and that is to be commended but I personally feel you should treat posting on Slugger about this numerical stuff around Adams as a warning sign that you may need some support from family and professionals at present.
All the best,
Mark.
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:53 PMTwinbrook, here’s some questions for you.
Who are you? Why do you choose to be annonymous? What are you hiding? What’s behind your innuendo? What associations do you have? What dodgy characters have you hung about with/still hang about with?
Personally, I don’t care to hear the answers to any of these questions. Why? Because you are capable of having your say without some idiot coming in and asking: ‘who’s asking?’
That is ad hominem. McDonald can stand or fall on the quality of what he has written. But on what he has written, not who he is. Especially not by someone who chooses the privilege of anonymity for himself, whilst ramming into other for who they are.
And it is only thing we ask people to refrain from. It doesn’t get policed, because this is a free access space. None of us who write the thing get paid, and in particular I don’t get paid to nursemaid people in to behaving decently to one another.
Does that answer your curiosity?
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:54 PMMark McGregor
As usual you’re pretending to be my friend (whilst smearing me) in order to rescue Gerry Adams. I have not been open about any mental health issues with you or anyone else on the blog. But I have nothing to hide.
Can you accept that and get on with your task of saving the “lawless one” - a pertinent name for what Squinter was saying.
Can you not simply accept that I have given you a factual record of why the evidence points to Gerry Adams being the Antichrist - see http://www.johnoconnell.org
Do you want to dispute the facts or play the man?
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 11:03 PMIf I may interject. I have noticed in my trawling of NI-related blogs, a certain hardening of SF attitudes over the last 10 months.
Previously, I, as someone perceived widely as a soft liberal unionist, accepting of powersharing and open to discussion of a UI, I felt much more welcomed by Republicans than by hardline unionists attracted to expressing their opinions through this medium.
This situation I feel has now changed. It has changed in a way that my views, previously welcomed by certain well known republicans have now been attacked - and very consistently - in a very sectarian manner.
I had no right to make any comment on the ordination of a Cardinal, apparently. A major event in the (ecclesiastical) history of Ireland. No right to comment. Really? Was that because I was perceived as a female or as a Prod?
Sectarianism is not something I had previously (2004-2007) associated with Republican blogs. Now
I see it as a hardening of a core perspective on the northern state. I see the outbreak of physical attacks on the PSNI in recent times as a manifestation of this.
I also see SF in government as being less effective than any of their rhetoric suggested.
I say this as a civil servant serving the DRD Minister. He kowtows to Fred Cobain, whose intellect would embarrass the average mollusc. I expected more of SF. Its extraordinary that one of my background could feel disappointment at saying that. But I do.Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 11:09 PM“None of us who write the thing get paid” - Mick you need to work out an appropriate economic model quickly. All the time that you and others spend has an economic value ans is worth something.
On the topic - this Permanent Leadership thing that The RM adopted in late 70s means it’s difficult to see from where a challenge would come and how that would work.
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 11:11 PMJohn,
I’m not your friend but I have visited your site and seen the synopsis for ‘My name is John’.
I’m also no supporter of Gerry Adams as my previous, relevant, post on this topic shows.
I’m just suggesting you might want to treat the numerology thing as something to be concerned about. I’ll leave it at that.
Hopefully some SDLP contributors may feel up to doing the right thing for a staunch supporter offline.
Mark.
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 11:11 PMMark
Still playing the man.
I’ve written nine books, all mentioning the numerology. You’ll have to accept that this is just me.
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 11:23 PMaaaaah mick toys outta the pram comes to mind…
whether you like it or not, journos have been used and are still used to spread....
lets say black propaganda!
Now to those with a conspiratorial bent… the way slugger selectively comes to the rescue of certain journos and ignores others, raises questions, about impartiality…
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 11:41 PMGood night Twinbrook. As Damien Mulley says: “Invisible people have invisible rights”.
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 11:45 PMI’m afraid its not in the Book of Revelation and therefore not within my competence. I am of course expert in interpreting the major issues of the Book of Revelation.
John,
Has it ever occurred to you that St John the Evangelist was on some fairly serious drugs when he had these visions? Why in the name of God should we read so much into the ramblings of some first century mystic? Jesus wept, Just cause forty million Americans belive this crap it doesn’t mean that it’s true!
Posted by on Mar 21, 2008 @ 11:56 PMPic:
I believe there were some mushrooms involved. Tescos do not sell them. :)
Posted by on Mar 22, 2008 @ 12:00 AMJust cause forty million Americans belive this crap it doesn’t mean that it’s true!
40,000,000 naked ghosts? Jesus truly wept! :)
Posted by on Mar 22, 2008 @ 12:01 AMBTW your number is 822 and Mystic Meg says you’re radio rental.
I get my kicks on Route 66.
p-i-c-a-d-o-r ;-)
Posted by on Mar 22, 2008 @ 12:04 AM“I see it as a hardening of a core perspective on the northern state”
Do you think JO that that could have some root in the DUP role in Government - hardly an inspiring advert for reconciliation.
Posted by on Mar 22, 2008 @ 12:12 AMJo,
I believe there were some mushrooms involved. Tescos do not sell them.
You can get them up the Cave Hill when the season’s right. You might even bump into St John if you’re lucky. He’s wont to trip around with Wolfe Tone, Napoleon and a bloke called MacArt.
Posted by on Mar 22, 2008 @ 12:13 AMPlease not that I was referring to the diminutive Corsican meglomaniac and not to his namesake, Napoleon Dynamite from Turf Lodge (who takes a very tough stance against drugs).
Posted by on Mar 22, 2008 @ 12:17 AMPicador
You wouldn’t be hearing it from me if I had any problem with my number.
But what evidence have you that 40 million Americans believe this? Surely that is the number of Irish Americans, my target audience.
I have a conceptual framework of Book of Revelation interpretations (see http://www.johnoconnell.org) if you really want to study the subject, so St John the Divine was spot on so far as I am concerned. His language is Jesuitical and so will confuse those who think that they’re going to get a seven headed beast, etc.
Seven heads on the army council will be sufficient.
Seriously this is just after the year 2,000 when all these prophecies were said to come true (or Christianity was doomed). They had come true and no-one was disappointed really. It’s just that the press has taken no interest in them for the same reasons as you mock them. Ignorance.
But the world is about to change in a big way.
Posted by on Mar 22, 2008 @ 12:25 AMPicador
The republicans seem worried about the prophecy below:-
What will herald end of Adams and Paisley ?
I think that the prophecies point to an unpleasant good-bye gift from Adams and Paisley. That may mean some violence (Paul Quinn). This comes from the verse, “he [i.e. the Antichrist] once was, now is not, and yet will come” (Rev 17:8). The Antichrist who “once was, now is not” is a reference to the fact that Adams was acting once as the Antichrist (i.e. during the Troubles) and “now” is no longer acting in that way. “Yet will come” indicates that before the prophecies will end, he will return to being the Antichrist. This was always going to happen as no-one insisted on Adams repenting of his past. But the question is, when will the prophecies end?
Interpreting the next verses gives a timescale for the fulfilment of the prophecies. “The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings,” (Rev 17:9). The seven hills symbolise Rome, built on seven hills, so the author of Revelation is attacking the Roman Empire. The comparable empire in our context and era is the British Empire and the city comparable to Rome is London. So the seven kings come from London.
Those kings are described as “Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come” (Rev 17:10). Coincidentally during the Troubles, the Troubles being the key timeframe, five London PMs have fallen: Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, and Major. “One is,” or the sixth PM, must refer to Tony Blair under whom much of the changes to the North took place. The other who has not yet come is remarked: “…but when he does come he must remain for a little while” (Rev 17:10). I think that this must refer to Gordon Brown who won’t be PM for long by this account.
The fact that Blair is referred to as “one is” demonstrates that the major prophecies occur under his rule while he “is” (i.e. now, he has not fallen), and also while the Antichrist “is not” (see above), which happens at the same time, i.e. at present. But the whole sequence of verses, ante-ceded with the proviso, “This calls for a mind with wisdom,” (Rev 17: 9), making them the most mysterious verses in the Book of Revelation, also signals that the whole framework will have outworked itself by the time of the seventh king, “who has not yet come, but when he does come he must remain for a little while”.
So when Gordon Brown, the seventh king elect, stops being PM, which won’t be long according to the prophecies, Ian Paisley and Gerry Adams will be disgraced and in turmoil, or “thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulphur” (Rev 19:20). The intriguing question is what happens under Gordon Brown that leads to this outcome.”
This is the prophecy that seems to have worried the SF strategic gang as they have been buying up my book - My Miracle in Medjugorge - so that no-one else can see it.
.Posted by on Mar 22, 2008 @ 12:40 AM..not that taking mushrooms is any excuse. I think this thread needs a s armagh input. The sort that eats the benburb priory dinner and says “is yer man a sas fucker.” The peace proces developed despite south armagh.
Posted by on Mar 22, 2008 @ 01:07 AM
