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Friday, March 21, 2008

When Adams Falls, Who Benefits?

Squinter’s column has hit a raw nerve somewhere, generating some 51 comments (so far) on his blog, which was, until now, a tumbleweed winding across the desert end of cyberspace. Most of the comments are generally supportive, as for once he is actually articulating the honest view of many in West Belfast. But he has managed to get up the nose of some party faithful - which apparently has come as a surprise to him.  Still, the question of what it actually means is debatable; after all, Squinter himself has been no friend to those who have been saying much the same thing over the years, using his column and paper to silence and belittle those who had the courage to question Adams and his leadership when it wasn’t popular to do so. And let us not forget also that the British government has given significant financial support to the Andersonstown News which has no doubt skewed its pro-peace process, pro-Sinn Fein editorial line (£1,275,412 as of June, 2005). So what are they at now? We have seen informers close to Adams being exposed, which has damaged his credibility, especially so in the wake of his disastrous performance in the southern election. The revelations in Jonathan Powell’s book aren’t helping, either. Can Squinter’s piece can be seen as another salvo in what looks like a push against Adams; or is it “managed criticism”, meant to draw the sting away, much as Eoin O’Broin’s article in the wake of the southern elections was seen to be doing? If Adams is being pushed, who does that leave standing but McGuinness, a man the British are quite comfortable doing business with, and so too, Unionists. The Irish Times and the Guardian have picked up on the article, with Adams dismissing Robin Livingstone as an “anonymous scribe”. Some choice comments from his blog follow. 

Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 13:44

well said squinter. i’m a 22 year vet of the RM, voted for adams and endorsed the political direction believing it would bring a measure of social justice to our communities. now all i see is a very wealthy leadership who have abandoned west belfast to the hoods and scumbags: it is more dangerous living here than at any time during the war. but that doesn’t matter to adams and co. they have their “other” properties a million miles away from the mess they have left in west belfast. the leadership betrayed our loyalty to them. Despair is all we have left to show for our noble efforts.

Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 13:55

Squinter is well named. Bad eyesight and a brain to match. Look at where we were 25 years ago when Gerry Adams was elected MP for this area and where we are today. The situation has been transformed. We are in a better place with great opportunities for the future. Are there still problems? of course there are. But it seems to me that the next election will not eb the first Squinter has stayed at home for. But then given your salary you can afford to. The rest of us will get on with trying to make a better place for our kids and Squinters as well.

Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 14:41

Poor old Squinter… well seen the ‘Big Guy’ didn’t do 20 years at anything… come to think of it, how would Squinter know anything about Long Kesh lectures unless he heard about them over a pint in the Roddies? Having said that - fair’s fair - Squinter has spent all his time during Gerry A’s tenure as MP helping to turn the Andytown News from a staunch and courageous community flagship into an crappy advertising sheet for cheap labour and off-licences. And on that basis alone Squinter’s entitled to shout and squeal from the sidelines… and anyway how long is it since Squinter gave up ‘balefully’ standing on the other side of the barricades so he could sup tea in that sumptuous button back leather armchair with the Chief… ‘bout five years of retirement now, isn’t that right Squinter?

Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 16:02

As a Sinn Fein activist, let me start by thanking Squinter for having the courage to honestly make his case against the leadership of my own party for letting down the people of west Belfast.

It gives me no pleasure to state that I believe he is correct in his criticisms. As republicans, we have succeeded in a number of key initiatives in the past 10 to 15 years, not least bringing an end to the war and negotiating a compromise which brought an end to centuries of British and unionist domination over nationalists. For that success, the Irish people- not least the catholic and nationalist people of the six counties- will remain indebted to the current leadership of Sinn Fein.

But our leadership has failed to date to develop the same strategic approach to what I would term ‘real politics,’ i.e. those everyday issues affecting people’s lives beyond the politics of the British-Irish conflict.

To this day, Sinn Fein has no economic policy nor economic spokesperson of note in the Assembly, which explains why the DUP has been permitted to shape economic policy for the new Executive without so much as a word from our leaders.

The leadership of Sinn Fein has never prioritised the development of imaginative, coherent and effective strategies and policies to tackle problems as diverse as tourism, enterprise, agriculture, health, transport nor education (the consequences of those failings regarding the last area being painfully obvious at this moment in time.)

Consequently, we have been left with a political leadership which has found itself exposed as the new era of ‘bread and butter’ politics has emerged.

As worrying, the similar shortcomings of a middle-ranking leadership and panel of political advisors employed by the party have been exposed, given that the expertise of these respected individuals belongs to the conflict era and not an era in which professional, political and legal expertise is the currency of worth.

For west Belfast, this has meant Sinn Fein has yet to take the initiative in developing a tourist nor economic development strategy, never mind getting beyond the type of nonsensical ramblings of one MLA recently defending the right of young thugs to not have their criminal records revealed after they turn eighteen.

I mustn’t have been alone in our community for wishing that our political leaders had’ve taken a leaf out of Ian Og’s book and use the negotiations with the Brits to bring economic investment and transport improvements to our communities!

The time has long since come for the Sinn Fein leadership to address the mammoth shortcomings within our party in terms of the failure to develop tangible policies and strategies to improve the lives of our people.

Squinter should not be lambasted for his contribution. Rather, he should be praised by genuine republicans and we in Sinn Fein should commit ourselves to delivering the policies our people deserve.

Sinn Fein activist,
West Belfast

Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 17:30

Communities need leadership, that was why i supported sinn Fein. i think Gerry Adams tries his best, but has depended on his councillors and MLAs to be the voice of communities and give leadership at local level. This is where the problem lies. For the most part they are a bunch of time wasters and play no part in the development of the upper springfield. they will of course respond with a list of ‘we do this’ and have done this’ I went to a number of meetings attended by these so called councillors and felt they were taking up space reserved for someone with intelligence. How they were elected was anybodys guess. The upper springfield safer neighbourhood scheme is another farce........gerry will send them into the lower falls to initiate something there, while the murph goes into recline. Jobs for the toothless boys.

Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 20:08

Is this the News Letter or Telegraph or was squinter on the swall with Willie Frazer.Well Squinter, you and your mate must of had a few jars when you started talking Politics and Gerry bashing in the Roddies on St Pats Day. I can just hear the many romatic republican tunes playig in the background eulogising all those dead and sacrificed republicans. They didnt die so you could sing about them squinter. Maybe you should have been standing outside the off license in west belfast with your rag of a newspaper (which will never be bought by me again) showing all the kids the latest offers off alco pops that were on sale advertised in your rag. As a young republican who has family members buried in the milltown plot i say shame on your paper. Next time one of your papers go down the pan Mr O Mullieor dont be asking Gerry A for help, ask squinter and the super provos he was gargling with on St Pats Day. Maybe it was Anthony Mc Intyre he was drinking with. Need I say More.
PS: Community Newspaper my Backside. Make money for O Mullieor more like it.

Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 20:18

I whole-heartedly agree with the substance of Squinters article. I have been a Sinn Fein voter for the last 20 years but will never agin give them my vote. I lived in the Lower Falls for all of my life and still have family living there. I fear for their safety every day and night. Whilst the Sinn Fein hierarchy have indeed abandoned us for holiday homes all over Ireland and Europe, the real residents are forced to deal with what they can’t or won’t. They have led us into a stabilised Northern Ireland with no foreseeable end, only dreams of the 32 County Socialist republic that all genuine Repulicans yearn for. Yes, politics is a great career. The only difference in Britsih Direct Rule and Stormont administration is that Sinn Fein ministers and MLA’s get the big fat cat wages. They have disgraced a noble ideology. The ultimate irony is that men like Bap McGreevy who fought to free us from British rule and to guarantee freedom for all citizens is murdered by the lowest dregs of our own society. Not British troops, not the RUC or their Loyalist proxys, but a child of people raised on his own doorstep. Maybe CRJ and Sinn Fein will organise a lunch in the Balmoral or a black tie dinner in the Europa to discuss the matter with their new comrades in the PSNI. We were better off with the IRA looking after our areas. I WISH THEY HADN’T GONE AWAY, YOU KNOW!!

Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 20:28

So the mask slips. Squinter, that closet SDLP middle-class wannabe, deigns to turn his sideways look on some real issues facing the people of west Belfast. The people whose money gave him the comfortable lifestyle he enjoys courtesy of a good community paper that he and his cronies subverted for their own grubby ends and for personal profit. Robin secretly despises his own community, being the snob he is. He smarts because he wouldn’t have been able to cut it in the world of ‘real journalism’.
For once, however, instead of snide remarks about pyjamas and sideswipes at those addicted to nicotine, he uncharacteristically goes for the throat.
From this bar stool, crawthumping coward, who wouldn’t be fit to lace the boots of those he now denigrates, it is all a bit rich. Were it not for the fact that Mr Livingstone, who likes to draw a discreet veil of secrecy over his own identity, has to fill the few non-advert inches in Marty Millar’s rag then this bum would spend all his time in the Roddies having his ego massaged by those who haven’t the wit to realise that he only rubs shoulders with the snooker room crowd so that his ‘mighty intellect’ may shine.
Robin you wouldn’t know how to find your way to Ross Road or Ross Street they are just a little bit out of your normal orbit and your comfort zone. Stick to the witty remarks and to the company of the wine and cheese brigade where you feel so much more at home.

Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 22:29

Squinter, Hold your nerve my friend,
in the morning pull your shoulders back and get out and about west belfast , especially the lower whack where your own people are from, your own family are a proud republican family who have gave more than most , at such a heavy cost, this in itself gives you a definate right to say what you did ,as you thought was right, when journalists are lambasted or prevented from doing this then newspapers and indeed us all are finished,major and the free state tried it and it didnt work,i am in no way a dissident, but i have no doubt that there would be many who would love to label me one for commending you,you have just taken ONE GIANT STEP FOR WESTBELFAST!Thank you, wont be missing the atown news for a while, that is if its still there.

Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 22:37

The Sinn Fein thing gets more like Animal Farm - some are more equal than others etc - the longer it goes on. Closed siopa methinks. Could someone tell me why there are 3 Councillors Maskey in the city hall? Dare I go into the QUANGOs as well? Mr Adams has fooled too many for too long - and I’m sure Squinter you will be labelled an ‘extremist’ like anyone who dared to question the strategy of the SF leadership. Gerry may have cut his teeth in the war - but in the ‘peace’ he is a political flyweight - dare I mention the elections in the 26 last year? As for Catriona.. tell her thatthe people of “Wist Billfest” know that she is a blow-in and a pretty inept one at that .. but then again .. it’s not what you know...etc

Anonymous Says:
20 March 2008 23:44

Bap McGreevy was killed by a member of a well known criminal family. What’s the big surprise? Nothing, except that on this occasion Robin Livingstone, who has made a career out of playing to the lowest common denominator, has eventually had the ‘dutch’ courage of his convictions and has been goaded by his beer-buddies into speaking out against Sinn Fein.
Costly mistake Squinty boy. The life of ‘haircuts’, ‘picking up at the airport’ and generally skiving and lording it over your ‘yellow-pack’ journalists may well be at an end.
At least your ‘out of character’ outburst is a step up from slagging off a mother who had the audacity to smell of drink at your daughter’s confirmation and to breath on your ‘dry-cleaned suit’ I wonder how often Bap had his suit dry cleaned?
You don’t really give a shit about Bap Robin let’s be honest. Robin you really hurt that ‘hung-over mother, who recognised herself in your obnoxious piece. You really are a sanctimonious b****** and your ex-friends in SF will now hopefully bury your non-career and Mairtin’s rag with it.
We all know who will applaud you for your anti-SF diatribe:

Dear Robin, sorry squinter, welcome to the club,
Signed by your newest and dearest friends, Malachi, Suzanne, Ed, Mackers, Eilish O’H , Pól O’M, Kevin M, Conor Cruise, Eoghan H etc, etc, etc.

Squinter writes:
Dear crew thanks a bunch all is forgiven, I hope. Home at last, your long-estranged but prodigal friend.

Anonymous Says:
21 March 2008 00:26

I was at the vigil on thursday and Squinter you must have struck a raw nerve,Alex Maskey made a comment about hiding behind a pen , I agree with some of your comments Squinter , some i don,t but is Alex Maskey now telling people not to vent their anger , or write of their fear or critisize our elected politicians through letters to papers, since the end of the war against the british or since since the new phase of the struggle our community has been attacked within murders ,rapes , robbing , death riding , drugs i, m to old to fight any more , i and people like me are scared i have served my community well the only thing that i can do is pen a letter or have a pint and give off about what is going on so Alex, Gerry , Martin and all the rest i haves been loyal all my life remove the reasons and causes of our fear , lead our people and stop using vigils to complain about your critics our lives are at stake

Anonymous Says:
21 March 2008 00:31

Your brothers and your father, who all contributed mightily to this community, would be thoroughly ashamed of you. Look into your heart sqinter stop playing to the gallery.

Squinter certainly has hit a raw nerve. Cui bono?

Rusty Nail @ 02:45 PM

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  1. Sutton’s DB of Deaths on CAIN is a kind of on-line Lost Lives (though it does not contain as much detail).

    During the 1990’s I briefly had a job that required trawling through press-cuttings from the 1970s. I remember coming across this case and being thoroughly disgusted by it. As a youngster who’d succombed to the Provos anti-imperialistic revolutionary lefty line in the wake of the Hunger Strikes this case (and the numerous others like it) certainly made me open my eyes.

    How Gerry A and the like can claim that the Provos were fighting a war in the name of Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter is beyond me given the activities of the Provos in this period (when no-claim, no-blame was the order of the day). Then again Gerry was never in the Ra so what would he know about it.

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 06:31 PM
  2. seriously Adams represented a time when criminality was part of the struggle, and not WRONG in Republican eyes.
    Now that has to be turned on its head.
    He’s clearly the wrong man to lead the fight on law and order.

    So perhaps he’ll stay until he sees the new DUP lot settle in , and the transfer of P&J;.

    After that would be a good time to go.
    When he could then learn to speak Irish proper and campaign for the ILA as a quiet back-bencher.

    Anything wrong with that position?
    Would that get support?

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 06:35 PM
  3. Not a lot in Dewi’s article to justify McDonald’s wild assertion that Pat Livingstone was a ‘republican icon.’ However at least that article did give a fuller family history unlike Henry’s rather rusty recollections.

    Speaking of icons wasn’t Henry McCullough in Stiff Little Fingers?

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 06:37 PM
  4. Dewi,

    Thanks for the link on the Livingstone conviction. I had confused some of the arrest details with another case which became a bit of a republican cause celebre (which I think was that of Sean McKenna from Newry who went on to fast for 53 days in 1980).

    I should also add that Gerry A was in Long Kesh during the worst sectarian excesses of the Belfast Provos from the autumn of 1974 to the autumn of 1976, a period which included the year-long ‘ceasefire’ of 1975 when the Provos gave up fighting the Brits and turned their guns on loyalists, working-class Prods and Stickies instead.

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 06:48 PM
  5. austin,

    You’d need to pull your horns in if you want to retain commenting rights here.

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 06:58 PM
  6. Lest we forget (and this is not playing the man)..Henry is an avowed anti-republican and an ex member of the Markets workers party(facts already in the public realm)…

    Now there is no love lost between the remaining sticks the whole 10 of them and SF…

    Surely any criticism made by henry could be tainted with this hatred…

    or is henry another sacred cow, who`s motives can`t be questioned?

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 07:05 PM
  7. Twinbrook,

    Q1. Fill in the gaps:
    Henry is an avowed anti-republican an ex member of the Markets workers party r......... c....

    Clue, the answer is not Roman Catholic.

    Q2. Apart from Ruari O’Bradaigh and the Flat Earth Combo just who exactly is a ‘true’ republican these days? I think back to your joke about the Baptists on another thread.

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 07:18 PM
  8. picador, you`re right, republican is probably one of the most abused terms on here and I am as guilty as the next man in spreading this confusion…

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 07:28 PM
  9. Why, Mr. Fealty?

    Others have already alluded to the past political associations of the journalist in question. I think you are too selective in your interpretation of ‘playing the man’. Evidently it actually depends on who’s making the tackle.

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 07:35 PM
  10. austin,

    Let’s just say you have lots of form and no right of a appeal.

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 07:52 PM
  11. Was The Observer article not referring to Julie Livingstone as the political icon? She was a child killed by a plastic bullet, and her image figured heavily in Republican and Nationalist campaigns against baton rounds. Well known to nationalists, but less so to unionists.

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 08:00 PM
  12. Picador

    It seems to me that a republican is someone who rejects his Christian religion and then wastes a large part of his life – perhaps tragically spending many years in prison too as 15,000 republicans did – attempting to bully the unionists, the British, and lest we forget, the SDLP into accepting their version of Irish history and politics only to completely change, chameleon like, into someone who advocates exactly what the SDLP have been arguing for.

    But there is nothing pure about his republican faith. It is nothing more than the man-made logic of pre-Christian times – mirroring Israelite patriotism – and advocates, among other things, the Old Testament law of an eye for an eye. It is nothing more than a pre-Christian dogma that has no Christ. Moreover it even rejects very violently and aggressively the basis of Christ’s teaching and as such is extremely distant from the people they say that they are fighting for.

    But that doesn’t matter because they are above Christ, as well as being well above the people they are fighting for (as all egomaniacs believe). In fact they are “gods” to the rest of us, blissfully breaking our moral code in the pursuit of their own higher purpose which happens to be destroying the values of the people they are fighting for. Their higher purpose is to be achieved through the tactical use of human suffering, the tactical use of evil (egomaniacs don’t care who suffers as long as it isn’t them and can use evil readily).

    Ultimately when they can’t do that, and when their whole project is failing as a result of the vitriolic opposition from everybody that they have garnered for themselves – and for the people they are fighting for – they will, like Sinn Fein, take the only option available to them and attempt to fool the electorate into believing that they intended all along to be reasonable and fair-minded with everybody else, and are just the same as the SDLP (it is, of course, only a con job as an egomaniac can never change – he merely pursues (political) power instead of violent supremacy – which is why the electorate will return to the SDLP in time).

    Posted by John O'Connell on Mar 21, 2008 @ 08:14 PM
  13. Anyone noticed how the debate has moved away from Gerry Adams’ suitability as MP for West Belfast.

    This was achieved through the attempt to smear Squinter using guilt by association.

    Posted by John O'Connell on Mar 21, 2008 @ 08:33 PM
  14. John,

    Do you think that the British state has ever ‘usurped the role of Christ’ or ‘played God’ by, for example invading Iraq and attmepting to bully Iraqis into accepting its view of ‘democracy’ and ‘western values’? Do you believe that Tony Blair and George W Bush might in fact be twin anti-Christs even though their numbers are 696 and 780 - that’s including the W - respectively or does your demonic lottery mumbo-jumbo only apply within our own little parish?

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 08:36 PM
  15. You have to wonder what Squinter is going on about. Adams - supported by the author - saw it as his job to destroy the economy. He made sure the police stayed out and all of us from West Belfast know robbery and arson were ok so long as you did it to order.

    It is a bit late now to be waking up to the consequences of all that.

    Indeed it is not so long ago that the provies and their mouthpieces were describing any attempt to revive the economy of West Belfast as “low intensity warfare”.

    Much as I loathe to quote Paisley, this is a real sackcloth and ashes moment for the “republican movement”.

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 08:36 PM
  16. Picador

    When you’re in a hole, stop digging.

    Of course Britain and America have antichristian value systems connected to their establishment, as is witnessed on my website in relation to the British Queen and September 11th, both Biblical negatives for the natives.

    But I’m afraid that it falls to Gerry Adams to be the Antichrist for all the reasons I have mentioned in above post.

    Remember that Christ came in his own little parish as a relative unknown in comparison to the kings and Emperors of that time. So Gerry Adams doesn’t need to be President or PM, just a pain for many people.

    See http://www.johnoconnell.org

    Posted by John O'Connell on Mar 21, 2008 @ 08:51 PM
  17. Anyone noticed how the debate has moved away from Gerry Adams’ suitability as MP for West Belfast.

    John,

    Whether you like it or not, elections are decided not on the basis of ‘suitability’ but on numbers of votes cast. Last time out Gerry Adams received 70.5% of votes cast.

    I think that, while some of your points about the bearded one may possess a certain degree of validity, once you start accusing him of being the anti-Christ you are talking out of your back-side. I would sooner listen to mystic Meg rather than somebody who claims to know the identity of a real-life Beelzebub in our midst. I suggest that you confine your future remarks to the realm of mortal in order to receive a more sympathetic hearing. And no, I don’t believe that I’m bound for hell - not yet at any rate.

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 08:52 PM
  18. John,

    You’re not telling me that Lizzie was the brains behind 9/11? I like you nearly as much as I like my old friend Trowbridge H Ford last heard of over codshit.com. Come back Trow, wherever you are. Tell us what was really going down in Belfast during the mid-70s and how the bloody events of that period led to the assassination of Swedish prime-minister Olaf Palme.

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 08:57 PM
  19. On Henry McD - if he’s (an ex-) stick, doesn’t that just mean he was thirty years ahead of Adams? Think about it - permanent ceasefire, sitting in Stormont, left wing politics, trying to persuade the unionists instead of bombing them into a united Ireland - the sticks got there first in every case!

    At least, unlike seveal leading members of PRM, he’s never been a hireling of the British state!

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 08:59 PM
  20. Gilchrist,

    Was The Observer article not referring to Julie Livingstone as the political icon?

    McDonald’s article specifically refers to Squinter being the brother of ‘a Provisional IRA icon’ which could hardly be said of a 14 year old girl.

    I remember though that at the time of the hunger-strikes the images of the two little girls who were killed by the Brits made for potent propaganda indeed. In particular I remember the image of Carol-Ann Kelly lying dead in her coffin.

    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Groves">

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 09:14 PM
  21. Plasic bullet victims

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 09:16 PM
  22. When was putting pressure on your MP a crime?  This is about a proud community at the end of its teather.

    I should say I am a SF supporter but Im not on to debate the rights and wrongs of that. 

    Anti-social behaviour is the scourge of communities all over but I am proud that people in WB are saying ‘we will not stand by’. Who is to blame? Everyone really, including our MP.  But to turn this all into ‘get Gerry out’ is not helpful. 

    I will keep my eye in the real problem - the hoods.  I will work with those who want to help.  So far the only people offering anything is SF. All the PSNI say is that WB is ‘a priority’ - Press office standard nonsense.

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:00 PM
  23. I’m amazed at the reaction to the article by Squinter criticising Gerry Adams.  The amount of man-playing by some is of course to be expected - after all this is Slugger O’Toole and there’s a licence to play the man when it comes to Andersonstown News/Daily Ireland journalists.

    I think the criticism is fair and courageous - though I think Gerry Adams by himself isn’t to blame.  Sinn Féin has not taken care of its constituency, not just West Belfast, and this is a wake up call. 

    It’s time for the party to remember that it can’t play footsie with the DUP and allow itself to be sucked into a role of administering that party’s misgovernment in NI.  It’s time it went back to its drawing board and drafted a radical agenda which it can then advance.

    This episode also highlights the fallacy that no-one within West Belfast is prepared to stand up and be counted for fear of violent retribution.  There have been many journalists who have done so from afar but very few who have put their heads above the parapet like Squinter has.  He may have a few interesting pints wherever it is he drinks but he’s unlikely to end up in traction.

    I have no doubt that Gerry Adams feels this criticism more keenly than he would the barbs of journalists with very visible yellow streaks.  I produced a documentary for TG4 ten years ago about the Andersonstown News and in an interview on that programme the Sinn Féin leader proclaimed his favourite column in the Andersonstown News was that of Squinter. 

    It’s time for Sinn Féin and Gerry Adams to take the message on board and forget attacking the messenger.

    Posted by Concubhar O Liatháin on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:03 PM
  24. But the sticks still haven`t given up their guns,are up to their eyeballs in all sorts of criminality and peddle drugs from those odious drinking dens which pass as clubs…

    and are still forging money according to the FBI..

    as to a left wing, who are you kidding that part left and joined the Irish Labour Party and more recently the ORM..

    as to hireling of the British state...weren`t and aren`t the sticks still run,funded and protected by the British security services…

    Posted by  on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:08 PM
  25. I’m not sure how religion and the brother of ‘squinter’ are relevant.  Lets get back on topic as to who benefits if Adams goes.

    Posted by Ty on Mar 21, 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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