Tuesday, July 03, 2007
To fall from favour
The Orange Arch in my home town of Hillsborough has very nice depictions of the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh proudly displayed. Last year I was traveling through Magherafelt with a colleague, and was quite surprised to see on their arch, not the Queen and the Duke, but William McCrea and Ian Paisley (the latter of course not being a member of the Institution). My colleague told me that he believed the arch was in fact owned and maintained by the local DUP. He now isn’t so sure, as this year he tells me the images of the politicians have been replaced by a picture of Dan Winter’s cottage and a verse of scripture. Seems an interesting year to change.
Michael Shilliday @ 12:09 PM
Michael,
When Lord Mayor (kinahan) he continued to strike the open-minded, cross-community note which in the Sixties had brought about an attempt - unsuccessful - to have him expelled from the Orange Order when he attended a Catholic wedding and funeral.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19970527/ai_n14111953
That article also carries another interesting statement, wonder what the OO bashers think about this…there was a large contingent of Roman Catholic workers and Kinahan was always delighted to relate how they turned out to cheer him as, on 12 July, he walked with his lodge to the “field”. Such tolerant scenes were common in the days before Sinn Fein dominated the parades issue
Posted by on Jul 03, 2007 @ 05:22 PM‘Never said you did find the Free P’s on it. It was highlighting your timing “1960’s” and thus purported cause and effect were wrong as the timings were out of sync.”
OK, but Paisley and other Free P OO members were given a hard time by the UUP upper and middle class LOL’s of the early 60’s.
Of course when Paisley formed the DUP there were many of his followers who were black balled by the OO and dismissed over numerous petty misdemeanours, one being overdue in your dues.Posted by on Jul 03, 2007 @ 05:49 PM‘Such tolerant scenes were common in the days before Sinn Fein dominated the parades issue’
Perhaps those were the days before the orange order used loyalist paramilitaries to lead them on parades as was the case with a lodge & band in the mini 12th parade in East Belfast last evening
http://www.whitewelldefendersfb.com/inmemory.html
I don’t know what relevance a 10 year old article written by a unionist about an orangeman has to do with the price of coal, especially when Bradford urged the British to do a deal with the unionist terrorists running the uwc strike (secret meeting with uvf chief of staff, Ken Gibson)in 74 & defended the desision to deny’ one man one vote’ earlier.
I presume the article is by unionist Roy Bradford.
considering the author had no issues dealing with loyalist terrorists, take it with a pinch of salt fyu.
Posted by on Jul 03, 2007 @ 06:59 PMActually I thought Moloney & Pollak was my source too! Must go read it again.
Posted by on Jul 03, 2007 @ 07:12 PM“there was a large contingent of Roman Catholic workers and Kinahan was always delighted to relate how they turned out to cheer him as, on 12 July, he walked with his lodge to the “field”. Such tolerant scenes were common in the days before Sinn Fein dominated the parades issue”
FYU - u have no idea how patronising that sounds !!! Why not use peasants instead of workers ?
Posted by on Jul 03, 2007 @ 07:18 PM“Why not use peasants instead of workers ?”
Because it wasn’t in the ROI ;)
Posted by on Jul 03, 2007 @ 07:59 PMDARTH
McCrea in Limavady hip hip horray. I will now look forward to going to Moneymore with the knowledge that Lundy McCrea will not be there.Is this the same McCrea that told us his stomach would turn if SF/IRA were in government.Willie could get a job in the circus along with the rest of his dup colleagues as acrobats as they keep doing sommersaults.
Hopefully there will be a protest for the modern day Judas as he steps unto the platformPosted by on Jul 03, 2007 @ 09:12 PMCrumb I am sure if anyone wanted your opinion they could just ask dave and cut out the middle man
Posted by on Jul 03, 2007 @ 10:30 PMJimmyjoe,
Moneymore will be more fun anyway
Posted by on Jul 04, 2007 @ 07:33 AMMichael, does the arch in Hillsborough not depict Charles Windsor as opposed to his dad? I was walking past it last night and I thought it was the Queen and the Prince of Wales.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2007 @ 08:07 AMHow come the Queen and Charles winsor proudly displayed on the Orange arch at Hillsbourgh when neither of them are OO members either. All this nonsense about Paisley not being a member is hypoctitical. The way things are going at stotmont next year we might have Gerry and Martin proudly displayed on an arch at Whiterock.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2007 @ 08:15 AMHow come the Queen and Charles Winsor are proudly displayed on the Orange arch at Hillsborough, when neither of them are OO members either. So all this nonsense about Paisley not being an OO member is hypoctitical. The way things are going at stormont next year we might have Gerry and Martin proudly displayed on an orange arch at Whiterock.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2007 @ 08:17 AMI loved the description - ‘Love thy God; honour thy King’.
I respect traditions and feel their quirks should be respected cause God knows I have plenty of my own, but I just CANT understand why otherwise rational and intelligent people view the current crop of royals as their moral or intellectual superiors! I’m not trying to be rude, but I’d love an orangeman to explain to me why he views himself as inferior to prince Charles.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2007 @ 08:26 AMFUY: Aah the good old days when those Fenians knew their place
Posted by on Jul 04, 2007 @ 08:56 AMI am not a fan of the OO as I don’t believe in secret societies. It is amazing that organisations that are set up for Protestants are deemed bigotted wheras those exclusively for Catholics such as Orpus Dei, Society of Jesuits, Roman Church etc are not!
You cannot even be anything but a Romanist to get a job or become head of State at the Vatican State! Surely that is a case for the Equality Commission.
Posted by on Jul 04, 2007 @ 02:34 PMThe OO have long been stoking the flames of tension before SF came along….. 1884 to be precise.
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/csc/reports/rituals3.htm
Posted by on Jul 04, 2007 @ 07:01 PMDaithiO,
“So an organisation that institutionally hates catholics and catholicism and therefore bans catholics from being members is a shining beacon of inclusivity and not at all hateful?”
The Orange Order is not about institutionally hating catholics, if you knew anything about it you should know that. Many orange men have more friends within the catholic community than their own. The image that you are seeing is one which is protrayed by members from certain parts of the country which call themselves protestants but never set their foot through the door of a church.The opening prayer at meetings “deliver those members of the church of rome and other non-reformed faiths from error and false doctrine”. In otherwords the orange order is trying to reach out to catholics and others of the non-reformed faith to try and get them to understand the reformed faith and convert them from their ways. Does that sound like an instituiton who “hates catholics?” To me, that sounds more like an organisation who is trying to reach out to catholics.
Surely you can’t expect the orange order to admit catholics seeing that it is a based on the reformed faith, which the catholic church is not. Thats liking expecting the catholic church to admit protestant priests etc, unless they change their religon it is the same fundamental idea.
This may sound secterian but its strange that DaithiO himself is saying that the orange order is secterian, surely this also make him to a secterian bigot for not having a little tolerance for the other sides traditions.
Generally tho, a very interesting development in Magherafelt, a change in the times maybe but doesn’t mean that its good either. If people have gone off the DUP its probable that they won’t all flood back to vote UUP. May end up with a large percentage who just stay at home which is not good for the unionist side.
Posted by on Jul 05, 2007 @ 06:55 AM
