Wednesday, March 26, 2008
“there was no evidence that he was to be outed as an informer..”
Some interesting detail from the Irish News front-page report in which “one of the leading lights in CRJ”, Jim McCarthy, who was sentenced to five years in 1976 for possession of firearms, “angrily” denies being an informer after he had, reportedly, “been visited at his west Belfast home by police who told him he was to be publicly exposed.” [subs req for now] The report quotes a Sinn Féin spokesman
A Sinn Fein spokesman said: “We can confirm Jim McCarthy contacted the party after the PSNI visited him. “Sinn Fein was happy to let Jim know that there was no evidence that he was to be outed as an informer. “Jim provides a valuable community service in the area and we fully support him in taking the matter future in terms of his complaint to the ombudsman.”
And the report also notes that, as was the case with Roy McShane, McCarthy had previously been a driver for the Sinn Féin leadership.
The 51-year-old, who was once a driver for Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams, has also been visited at his west Belfast home by police who told him he was to be publicly exposed.
The report doesn’t record when he was a driver nor whether he shared another of McShane’s roles.
In 1989 that internal security unit was stood down over concerns that it had been infiltrated by the British intelligence agencies. In what would prove to be a crucial mistake the IRA moved many of those involved in the ‘nutting squad’ into protection and driving roles for the Sinn Fein leadership.
Pete Baker @ 02:02 PM
[See Commenting Policy - edited moderator ] Looks like most of those present in the flat could have been working for the Brits.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 08:15 PMAll more the evidence that they’ve probably been running this war the whole time and have as much (or more) blood on their hands of the people they were there to protect.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 09:44 PMIs there any possibility that there are two twinbrooks?
For many months now we have had a poster with that moniker forcefully and sanely presenting a SF point of view.
Now this past couple of weeks we have had a bitter, twisted, seemingly paranoid individual posting under the same moniker.
Hard to believe that they are one and the same.Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 10:14 PMjoe, don’t worry about it he forgot his pills.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 10:42 PM“Was this Sinn Fein statement written for them by T Blair, H Orde or MI5?
How would they know there was no evidence? Are they all-seeing? Perhaps they have been briefed by MI5.
The fact that they have issued this pathetic, and literally meaningless, statement shows that the public perception now is that is you have been in the Republican Movement there is a big possibility that you have been / are an informer/agent “I do know this, and I’m (really) not joking, DENI are working for CEOP and Jim Gamble.
I mean if this Jim Gamble fella is so darn good at finding pedos, then why are *all* his arrests the work of the FBI or RCMP et alia?
He has not caught a single pedophile on his own account in his entire spook career, his agency hasn’t caught any either!
I’m serious, Ruane’s dept. is helping Gamble out.
Time for an FBI joke.
G.
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Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 11:15 PMFor the benefit of Twinbrook, and anyone else who missed it.
In favour of rational argument.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 11:46 PM“as I understand it the Crim Justice Inspector Kit Chivers has inspected the CRJ and has found nothing untoward.”
Perhaps none so blind as those who will not see, WB. Thanks for your ‘understanding’.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 11:53 PMWe have the most recent CJI report - from November last year.
Interestingly, given these recent revelations about the Belfast schemes, it was more critical of the North West schemes..
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:02 AM“Gregory - I think you have made your point. “
Well, I’ll probably settle down after Ruane resigns. I give it two weeks.
G.Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:11 AM“All more the evidence that they’ve probably been running this war the whole time and have as much (or more) blood on their hands of the people they were there to protect. “
I think there has been a guy in a chair, a guy asking him tough questions about betraying the OnhE, or missing balaclava practice etc.
and a bloke outside and they were all Brit agents, and they shot the Brit in the chair because, well why is the question?
Yeah, seems psyvhiatric enough to be likely.
That is some fecked-up war we had.
G.
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:16 AMLiam Clarke in today’s News Letter reports that Martin McGartland has identified Jim McCarthy as a member of the torture team that abducted him in 1991.
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 10:58 AMI have never understood why unionists delight in exposing their own crown agents, country men and cobelligerents.
I can understand them appreciating their war machines success againist the IRA but they seem to forget that Scappattici, Donaldson, McShane were not republicans, they were pro-British, pro-Union, crown agents, they are/were your ‘boys’ not republicans surely.
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 11:22 AMFunny that, Liam Clarke says what I said yesterday and mine gets deleted.
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 11:44 AMMM, there’s no credit in playing the John the Baptist role ..
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 11:46 AMMark, you may have left out some better known members of the PRM in your haste to point the finger at Unionists ....
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:01 PMNevin,
I am not sure of your point.
All I am saying is that unionists should be aware that Scappattici for example was a crown agent and an instrument of the British state used to kill republicans in an extra-judicial mannner.
He was one of yours old boy.
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:08 PMMark Fartlighter: seem to forget that Scappattici, Donaldson, McShane were not republicans, they were pro-British, pro-Union, crown agents, they are/were your ‘boys’ not republicans surely.
No they were armed force Republicans who failed to stick the pace. They were ready to kill before they were ready to inform. So, your ‘boys’.
Whether in the Republican or Loyalist Paramilitiaries, what must an informer’s CV look like? The “delight” you claim to recognise is mostly the observation that the security forces treated both lots the same. That’s cause for relief on your part too, isn’t it?
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:17 PMThe IRA are as responsible for the terror Torquemadas in their midst as the RUC/UDR are for loyalist killers in their ranks.
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:21 PM“No they were armed force Republicans who failed to stick the pace. They were ready to kill before they were ready to inform. So, your ‘boys’.”
If Brit.Gov knew they were X & y and the IRA only knew X, then they were working for the Brits as a major employer. The equation is quite simple.
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:24 PM“No they were armed force Republicans who failed to stick the pace. They were ready to kill before they were ready to inform. So, your ‘boys’.”
Have to disagree Reader. You seem to be treating “willingness to kill” as the difference between republicans and the British military, strange given the history of the world.
History has surely taught that “Britian’s need is moral code”.
Surely Sacappatici for examaple was under British military command, failure to obey his superiors would surely have meant certain death. Surely that makes him a British combatant, and a very effective one at that.
I trust Her Majesty has rewarded this most loyal of servants most handsomely.
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:30 PMSurely Sacappatici for examaple was under British military command, failure to obey his superiors would surely have meant certain death.
Not sure at all. In fact, highly unlikely.
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:33 PMMark, I’d have thought that the loyalist and republican nutting squads were established and controlled by their respective ‘army councils’ - fascism raw in tooth and claw.
Can you imagine London and Dublin placing such upstanding folks in prominent positions in restorative programs in the rest of these two islands?
Society at large has strange standards. Folks (and media headline writers) get really steamed up when children and young people are abused for sexual purposes yet barely blink an eyelid when they’re abused by paramilitaries for their purposes - fascism and mafiaism.
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:43 PM“I’d have thought that the loyalist and republican nutting squads were established and controlled by their respective ‘army councils’ “
You’d have thought it allright. Nevin it has been established that a senior memeber of the IRA ‘nutting squad’ was in fact a British agent. He was working in the interests of the British and their military intelligence interests.
This is fact. The IRA may have believed that Scappatici was a loyal IRA man but actually he was working for the British and acting according to their military interests and command.
Where have you been?
Posted by on Mar 27, 2008 @ 12:49 PMHe was working for both.
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