Saturday, November 10, 2007
“Then the boys with masks appeared..”
There’s very little detail online about the stabbing of two men on Thursday night in the Markets area of South Belfast, 4 men were hospitalised and the available reports say that up to 30 people were involved in the fighting by the time the police arrived - two men are now being questioned. Just an average violent night out in the city? Perhaps. But there is one report, and it’s the only one with any detail I’ve seen, which suggests something else might be going on. Also worth noting that the Sinn Féin MLA, Alex Maskey, has been visiting some of those involved who were hospitalised. From the Daily Mirror [NI edition] which names the two men stabbed as Billy Clinton, “a veteran republican” in his 50s, and his brother Terry, and also reports that “another man involved was left with dozens of stitches in his head after being beaten with a baseball bat.”
One source told the Mirror: “It all started with a bit of a row over at the Hilton but later on there were windows smashed and it all started getting messy. After the windows got put in a crowd went looking for the boy that did it. They didn’t find him but there was a row on the street. Then the boys with masks appeared looking for your man saying they were Provies and they were going to kill him.”
Also from the Mirror report
It’s understood the man blamed for smashing the windows later agreed to meet with the other family in a bid to “smooth things over”. But a fight broke out in which the man suffered head injuries and then Mr Clinton was stabbed.
And that additional note
Sinn Féin councillor Alex Maskey described the stabbing as “dusgraceful” [sic] and said that anyone ready to pull a knife should be “behind bars”.
He added: “I was in the hospital today visiting one of the people hurt. There is one man in a very serious condition and another serious.
“This is a terrible attack. The police are in the middle of an investigation and I would urge anyone with information to come forward.
“This could so easily have ended with a fatality.”
Pete Baker @ 02:28 PM
Rory, I know that political visionaries such as yourself would like to see a return to violence for the republican cause! Halfwit. I always find it interesting that muppets such as yourself spend all their time sniping at republicans, and say virtually nothing about the British government or any ‘strategy’ for getting rid of them. Bankruptcy of ideas maybe????
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:04 PMJimbo
You have the cheek to call me a Half-wit!
Yes - Politically I despise PSF and all the ARE today.
When I point out the inadequacies of PSF I am talking to the BRITS! Arn’t they all part of the same Company these days.
Dirty Tricks, and Killing Catholics - are they not what they Brits have done for nearly 900 years in Ireland to our people?
It is you elders in PSF that are bancrupt of Ideas (although loaded with dirty money), caught in the web of the British Crown
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:13 PMPete,
I’m not trying to undermine the report, just pointing out pretty obvious flaws.
You seem to be be picking something important up from the details of a fight. Might help if you spelt it out?
Part of the story you are picking up your important (IYHO) aspect from is questionable and the paper has admitted it has printed lies on local issues.
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:13 PMOf course you’re not trying to undermine the report, that’s clear to see.
As for what I’m pointing to by referencing the particular part of the report I’ve repeatedly highlighted.. it’s in the detail of the original post.
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:20 PMOk Rory, south Derry, lol, what is ur strategy? Im all ears...go on explain.
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:24 PMRory, cat got your tongue or are you just not able to spell out a strategy without provoking laughter at your own expense?
I really am all ears.Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:31 PMJimbo.
Not telling you as it is clear that you are a member of PSF!
You people are more British than the Brits themselves.
Speaking to Brits - Now thats informing or have you forgot that your people killed loads of people for talking to Brits.
The Stategy I and others around me have does not involve selling out my country or taking the Queens Shillin!
Go rob a Bank or launder deseil and give us all a break you WEE PROVO!
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:32 PM‘the IRA, were genuinely seen as a liberation army by many. ‘
And as something else by many more.
Popular revolution was never going to happen, was it?
The stormont gig is definitely better than beating the crap out of one another without a policeperson in sight.
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:35 PMJimbo
Stategy
Can I tell you what it clearly does not involve:-
(1). Going back to PSF Politics
(2). Robbing Banks
(3). Laundering Desiel
(4). Killing members of my own community.
(5). Covering murder of Innocent Catholics up
Do I need to go on?
Irish self Determination is the Goal or have you in your wee deluded PROVO head forgot what the WAR was fought for?
Not positions of deluded power in a puppet Stormount Assembly
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:38 PMRory, firstly I am not a member of SF or any part of the republican movement and never have been, nor want to be.
You refuse to outline a strategy in any way whatsoever, because I am, according to you a member of PSF. What age are you, ten?
Then when you do go onto say what you are going to do, you merely mention diesel laundering etc..that isn’t a strategy buddy. And uve proved my point for me. You dont have a strategy, the dissidents never have, you have no support amongst ordinary people.[Play the ball! - edited moderator]
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:45 PMPete, poor show old bean. Picking up on what anonymous sources have claimed is a bit amateurish, dare I say, and rather plays into the hands of criminal elements who will dip into the reservoir of unionist (that’s you Pete) paranoia to create any old excuse for their nefarious activities.
And there’s me thinking you were on the side of law-abiding citizens.
But then I forgot…
Always you will take the word of the worst anti-social, violent, lawless and self-righteous hoodlum if there is even a sniff that they are in direct conflict with a person even tenuously related to the republican movement.
It’s strange and incongruous for someone so committed to the law to side which such individuals and take their word as gospel.
Thank God you’re not a cop.
Let me spell it out for you: you take the word of the worst type of citizen this great city is cursed with because of your belief that anyone even vaguely republican is bad and those in conflict (according to you) are somewhat more good.
This self-serving veneer of faux-honest inquiry which purports to act as an ever vigilant watch on the democratic credentials of Sinn Fein seems to place you, ever and always, on the side of the ‘non-political’ criminal and is most un-unionist.
To post endlessly (Quinn murder - how many posts by you?) about vaguely republican transgressions on Slugger, you seek to act as some sort of self-styled democratic watchdog.
You’d do better for yourself and the community on whose behalf you act as this ‘watchdog’ to scrutise and highlight the criminal enterprises of the loyalist paramilitaries - again in the news tonight.
And more particularly, the utter silence from those democratic, anti-terrorist politicians whose constituents are being shot at, bombed and murdered on a weekly basis.
But I’ll not hold my breath.
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:49 PMThen when you do go onto say what you are going to do, you merely mention diesel laundering etc..that isn’t a strategy buddy.
Jimbo
Refer to my previous post!
Can you read you HALF WIT? The above are among a list of things I would not be doing!
Maybe you are 10 years old
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:52 PMPete,
Wink, wink. That’s what I’m picking up from the Mirror and you.
Sorry, I’m missing anything substantive. Either of you got anything concrete? Beyond the very unlikely accuate Daily Mirror ‘sources’?
Shitty being a fact hound. Must be shittier being a fact hound willing to go on poor gossip.
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:53 PMRory, exactly! Eureka! I ask you what you would do, and u come out with a list of silly crap about what you WOULDNT Do...what would u do? Do u know? of course you dont...! Ur clueless...get real.
Posted by on Nov 10, 2007 @ 11:58 PMFrank
The report is presented as a report - nothing more or less. The absence of any substantial reports elsewhere has also been noted.
The reader can decide what significance that has.
I’ll not mention the previous facts.
Northsider
Feel free to look through the archive.
Here’s a short sample for you to be getting on with.
Posted by on Nov 11, 2007 @ 12:07 AMPete, had a look but it is all lacking the accusatory slant that infuses your republican witch-hunts.
Also, I’m still keen to know why you take the word of violent criminals when it suits you.
Are you a solicitor?
Posted by on Nov 11, 2007 @ 12:15 AMThe place is a kip and the filth living in it should be transferred forthwith to Craigavon, Larne or some other spide reservation.
You and whose army is going to do this, you jumped up snotty little boil on the backside of society?
Posted by on Nov 11, 2007 @ 12:45 AMMy! Lots of semantics and pedantics and all sorts of antics on this here thread the nite! Poor Pete is getting it in the neck. Not to worry they’ll pick on someone else tomorrow, but its hard to see any PIRA involvement in this. And it does look like you are implying such....
ah if only it were so -
the news is slow.
Posted by on Nov 11, 2007 @ 12:47 AMFrank Sinistra,
(I do genuinely blame Emerson for jumped up wannabe thugs believing there is an acceptable level of hatred they can heap on the poor based on the actions of a minority)
Now that you mention it, I seem to recall some troll saying the same things about the Markets as “Bemused” when Emerson wrote his piece some months ago about having to put up with the stench of the working class.
Posted by on Nov 11, 2007 @ 01:11 AMI have one question about this part of the article:
One source told the Mirror: “It all started with a bit of a row over at the Hilton but later on there were windows smashed and it all started getting messy. After the windows got put in a crowd went looking for the boy that did it.....
Now I really can’t comment on what people in the Markets as I don’t live there, but common sense would suggest to me that if I where in that situation where windows where being smashed I’d call the cops and let them handle it, not organise a simpsons style mob.
Posted by on Nov 11, 2007 @ 01:40 AMPounder
You obviously havent been beaten and shot off the streets for the major criminal offence of being a republicanPosted by on Nov 11, 2007 @ 02:50 AMMaybe a crack team of Provo assasins was roaming the Markets the other night, or perhaps it was a good old fashioned drunken brawl or perhaps it was something else.
Hope this helps.
Posted by on Nov 11, 2007 @ 03:23 AMBemused, So you are without remorse for your hate filled rant, and clearly enjoying your own self imposed exile from the rest of civilised thinking. Your retreat to personal abuse comes natural. I seriously doubt wether the SDLP will thank you for your vote of confidence in that party. On rememberance sunday, I doubt we’ll get a better illustration that intolerance and violent far-right extremism is alive and kicking today. If the tens of thousands who died fighting the second world war were alive today, they’d be knocking on your front door my friend. Please go quietly in the night!
Goodnight.Posted by on Nov 11, 2007 @ 05:18 AMBemused is having fun at your expense, he thinks he is clever, so let him play in the corner by himself and dream about his police state.
As for the criminals, regardless of their political intentions they hide behind, they should be dealt with as such.
As for class and religion/cultural identity in the inner city, the more different opinions the healthier the posssible outcome.
As a side note, most of us were raised as christians. So fundamentally we are the same. Genetically, moral principals, concept of or not of God, western cultural identity etc.
Posted by on Nov 11, 2007 @ 06:29 AMManaging violence out in the detail is the plan - and it’s a good plan. Do that in Derry, South Armagh and the Markets and good things can happen. Glad that Pete reports this and IMC do the detail.
Posted by on Nov 11, 2007 @ 06:32 AM
