Wednesday, March 26, 2008
The NUT and the army
The National Union of Teachers has voted to oppose military recruitment activities in schools if they employ “misleading propaganda”. The MoD has denied recruiting in schools and said that its activities are to raise “general awareness of the armed forces in society, not to recruit”. The army can clearly offer a good career to young people; there are also of course very considerable risks. As one of the NUT delegates said of joining the army this is not a decision people should take lightly.
I am most impressed, however, by Mr. McGarr, a teacher from London, who said “Join the Army and we will send you to carry out the imperialist occupation of other people’s countries”. I was worried that teachers no longer held views like this. Clearly some still do: I hope Mr. McGarr also wears a cord jacket with leather elbow patches for teaching. Maybe the world has not changed after all.
Turgon @ 12:10 AM
“That means joining the services, even in a time of war, is safer than becoming a construction worker, a fireman, a farmer or an electrician.”
It isn’t, they have more accidents, it is an extreme sport. It has to be all added together. Being a soldier is quite hazardous in the USA.
I can’t see the Brit army being much safer.
The ‘war’ fatalities in Iraq and Afghanistan are down to the fact that no major power is on the opposing side in a major way.
In Afghanistan if the President can be reduced to a Mayorship without fighting, that is good enough for the Taliban. He can hardly build on that to leave his capital like Alexander. So it is a waiting game with NATO.
The IRA would do better by thinking ‘outside the box’. One can’t fight NATO with sub-standard weapons, unless it is by being sneaky.
It will get there eventually, also the Brits turned the palace in Bssra into a POW camp. If one self-imprisons, the most the enemy will do is fire mortars and rockets.
Eventually the Brits had to cop and deal and humiliate themselves for a safe retreat to the airport.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 12:26 PMTo be fair, don’t all employers use misleading propaganda to recruit people? The British army are hardly unique in gilding the lily in this way.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 12:38 PMHarry Flashman:
“If students at school today are unaware of the reality of military life (ie shooting and killing people and being shot and and killed in return) then I fear the fault lies with the inept and barely educated members of the teaching “profession” rather than through any “misleading propaganda” from the Army.”Don’t let them fool you Harry! They only pretend to be inept to cover up their fiendish Cultural Marxist schemes to destroy Western Civilisation and turn us all into muesli-eating lesbians!!!
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 12:46 PMNo, take it from me Stiofn, I’ve met teachers and they really are inept, actually that’s being too kind to them, for the most part they are barely educated clowns.
I’d almost admire them if they could actually organise a successful cultural revolution but alas all they are doing is turning out generations of ill-educated, illiterate louts at my expense.
You’re not a teacher are you? I only ask as you seem unable to spell “Stiofan” correctly.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 01:07 PM‘I’ve met teachers and they really are inept, actually that’s being too kind to them, for the most part they are barely educated clowns.’
No need for us to ask as to the quality of your own education then Harry.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 01:45 PMWe should all be getting behind our brave men out in these war zones. One day they may be fighting to protect your freedom.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 01:45 PM‘One day they may be fighting to protect your freedom.’
If it was to protect the freedom of the people in whose coutries armed forces they serve in, fair enough, but if its to protect the freedom of conglomerates to pillage another countries resources......sry but no. That only creates fire in the belly of those who may decide we in the west need a taste of our own medicine. Soldiers follow orders, its the suits in whitehall who need stringing up !
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 02:31 PM“Join the Army, and if you survive and come home, possibly injured or mentally damaged, you and your family will be shabbily treated.”
Unfortunately that one is true, but it’s not new - “Tommy” was written a long time ago.
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot;Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 02:33 PMIf my fellow refuseniks and paper bag wearers Darth and Turgon are hanging out in the Ulster Reform Club, can I come along to? Although I much prefer Irn Bru to any of the dreaded buttermilk.
I won’t generalise about NUT teachers but there is no doubt that many of them are New Leftie types who are only in teaching because they’d be unemployable elsewhere. I’d want them well away from my children. Mind you, they’d be right up Caitriona Ruin’s street.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 02:38 PMThese type of threads always amuse me, as most of those who become all gun ho and sing the praises of the military would not in a million years encourage their own children to join the Armed forces.
I remember hearing George Bush senior during his Presidential election campaign, singing the praise of a military career, only to find out down the road he had pulled strings to get his pathetic son a safe birth back in Texas. One of the things I liked about england is it does not in the main go in for big military parades, the odd historic bumpf where betty takes the salute, but by and large in England the troops stay in their barracks. Now some fool is trying to ape the military satraps like Saddam and co or the worst US president in history, a strong and confident nation does not need its armed forces to strut around.
I cannot remember the exact figures but out of all the politicos on Washington’s Hill, hardly any had a serving child and the same goes to the useless bunch at Westminister and Stormont.
Anyone who would encourage their child to join an army that is engaged in an illegal war and occupation that came about by lies and deceit imo is not fit to be a parent. So Turgon, will you be signing your kids recruitment papers any time soon?
PS. I really think it is time people who post in an islamaphobic way should be carded on Slugger. By all means criticize Bin Laded and the islamic faith by to simply play the man without an argument is bigotry of the worst kind. Mick would not put up with it if all Catholics, Jews or Protestants were insulted in the aforementioned manner and just because such insults are fashionable in some circles, I see no reason why it should be tolerated here.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 03:11 PMWars have their upside as well.Instead of having an army of soldiers who have never seen combat, we will have an army of men who have been involved in the types of combat that they probably joined up for.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 03:27 PM“No need for us to ask as to the quality of your own education then Harry. “
He has a point, the Brit teaching profession is notorious for at least two things, one is for being quite crap.
It is a blame free culture, it is difficult to get rid of them. In fact more might get dumped for sex abuse than for being unable to teach.
Sex abuse is possibly the number one reason for a teacher seeing the door.
The thousands of L99 referrals are basically it, and that is definitely a sex thing. The reason we have crap teachers and sex offenders teaching our kids is the corrupt teaching unions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7088383.stm
‘Sub-standard teachers should be removed from schools to make way for better colleagues, a key government education adviser has suggested.
Sir Cyril Taylor said there were about 17,000 “poor” teachers in England.They were unable to control classes and were damaging the education of about 400,000 children, he told the BBC.’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7259280.stm
Unions ‘protecting poor teachers’
Teachers who cannot control classes and are constantly on sick leave should be sacked or retrained, a think-tank says.
The teaching unions’ hold on schools as “blockers of reforms” should end, the report published by Reform argues.Its author, Northampton Academy chair of governors Richard Tice, said it took too long to dismiss poor teachers and unions “permeated” all school activity.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 03:45 PMSteve
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck. It’s a duck.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 03:53 PM*No need for us to ask as to the quality of your own education then Harry.*
RS my old son when I was at school my teachers had the quaint old fashioned notion that their job was, you know, to teach.
Today most teachers believe their main responsibility is to be a political activist and to pay their union dues on time so that when they get caught in child sex abuse allegations (teachers far outnumber Catholic priests in the league table of paedophilia but you’ll never hear the media pointing out that inconvenient fact will you?) their union will come in to assist them and to make sure they can hold on to their pensions.
When teachers like nurses and policemen get back to doing the job they’re paid for instead of trying to be social engineers they might regain the respect that they once held among the population at large.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 04:00 PMDhimmi baslamak, you confuse bigotry with factual statements, a refuge of fools like you.
Read a book. (non-fiction)Harry, the ‘shoot the messenger’ skill set, re: incompetent ‘educators’, is fine tuned in this neck of the woods. Mind control is alive and well.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 04:02 PMHenry is right,
British teachers do more sex abuse in two years than the Catholic Church in the USA was nailed for over 50 years. It is quite remarkable.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 04:14 PMName me one pedo in the USA in jail because CEOP put him there! Not a single sausage.
What does that mean, critical reasoning anybody?
Nope, FBI do many thousands in UK and CEOP do de nada in the USA, self-evident, number one anti-pedophile cop in Britain has detected a single pedophile in his entire career, including his service in Ulster.
(only in Britain)
Our former branch man is there to put it quite simply to manage FBI expectations. Sex groom a US kid, get arrested, do it to a Brit kid, CEOP will not appear at your door.
(The FBI have to find them all)
The British teaching profession is an open secret amongst law enforcment, Jim Gamble isn’t allowed to touch them. It is obvious.
Catriona Ruane has conceded that it is OK to employ sex offenders and that is a useful starting handle for NI.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 04:22 PMteachers far outnumber Catholic priests in the league table of paedophilia but you’ll never hear the media pointing out that inconvenient fact will you?
Perhaps because you made it up and it’s not true? Let’s see your figures on this one.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 04:25 PMHarry Flashman:
“I’d almost admire them if they could actually organise a successful cultural revolution but alas all they are doing is turning out generations of ill-educated, illiterate louts at my expense.”
Strange...I’m sure I remember you going off on a tirade about the Cultural Marxist (non)Conspiracy a while back. Are teachers not part of this dastardly plot then?
“You’re not a teacher are you? I only ask as you seem unable to spell “Stiofan” correctly.”
Blame Microsoft - for some reason an ‘a’ with a fada disappears. I never had this trouble with my trusty Macintosh.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 06:38 PM“The imams of the EuroCaliphate will make good use of your soccer stadiums. Hopefully broadcast on Al Jazeera. Pacifist morons (imho).
Posted by BfB “
BfB
You make no attempt to explain, you just spew out ignorance and crass bigotry, you are not fit to be in civilized company.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 07:01 PMI do not trust our government and mass media.
Answers to many questions are given with documentary film - Zeitgeist.
Visit this blog http://zass.info and receive the information to reflection.Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 07:28 PMMr McGarr seems a fine man all told. let’s see some more of his speech.
“Join the Army and we will send you to carry out the imperialist occupation of other people’s countries,”
Undeniable.
“Join the Army and we will send you to bomb, shoot and possibly torture fellow human beings in other countries.”
Fraid so. Did the Brits ever get around to explaining just why two of their servicemen were driving around in Basra with a car full of explosives and dressed as Arabs? The illegal torture methods used on Iraqui detainees innocent or guilty are also well documented now.
“Join the Army and we will send you probably poorly equipped into situations where people will try to shoot or kill you because you are occupying other people’s countries.”
No probably about it, Gordon gentle etc, etc..... Also I know of one TA driver who finally lost his nerve after being shot at once too often on the water ration run from Kuwait. Rather be a live coward and all that.......
“Join the Army, and if you survive and come home, possibly injured or mentally damaged, you and your family will be shabbily treated.”
Again shamefully undeniable. Widows begging for compensation, amputee’s paid less than those with RSI, etc, etc......
Should Mr McGarr not be praised for telling his pupils how it is?, or is sugar coating for the cannon fodder to be allowed. In Scotland in recent years. The army has increased it’s recruitment drives in schools by 1000%, no you are seeing correctly one thousand percent. And you win a prize for guessing which schools they are targeting. Yep, schools in your working class areas with low exam results and employment opportunities. Seems that the exclusive George Watson school in Edinburgh has yet to have these recruiting teams darken their door.
Now I am all for young people freely choosing to embark in a career in whichever army they please. I am not for giving the army a free reign however in schools, no other occupation get’s the same recruiting privileges in schools, perhaps the NHS should be allowed to conduct drives also? I will be damned if I or anyone else should stand by quietly whilst my country is turned into a European USA where the poor go and fight the rich mans wars all over again. For this is what is happening, a boy(for that is what he is) whose family I know recently returned from Afghanistan, put it rather sagely when asked if he was looking forward to going back to Afghanistan;
“Fuck that fur a gemme a sodjers!” Was the reply.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 07:36 PMJoe
Love ya for asking.
British teachers are the mass production version of educator sexual misconduct.
As for scale.
More than anywhere else in the world. L99 is only a very small subset.
We have the good Lord Laird to thank for the over 2000 referrals to LIST 99 in 2005, a doubling since 2003, they don’t stick a person on it for failing to return a library book.
The following response is a parliamentary answer to a PQ (HL2654) tabled by Lord Laird of Artigarvan following a request from Prof. Donna Hughes of Rhode Island University.
Cases Referred Cases Concluded
2003 1,147 1,047
2004 1,362 1,370
2005 2,092 2,554Prof. Hughes was on a State.Gov visit to NI.
I was at the meetings at Lord Laird’s big house and at Stormont with the other UUP.
These days L99 is a pedophile list. Sex offenders get jobs by the simple expedient of asking their union to find them one.
It is OK to employ sex offenders as teachers.
Ask Ms Ruane, it is her policy.
All the best
G.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 09:11 PMMick Hall
Sorry, I assumed you were aware of the Taliban use of soccer stadiums as execution arenas in Afghanistan. Your type wax philosophic so much I think you actually have a realistic knowledge base, current events, history, reality, all that subject matter avoided in todays ‘multi cultural’ educational circles. My bad. My point was cowardice disguised as ‘neutrality’, or ‘pacifism’ gets good people killed. Really, look it up.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 09:46 PMThe stadium was built by the west.
It was regularly used for soccer. The Taliban only used it for executions after the Roman fashion pour encourager les autres.
It is whatever you find shocking, the windows in Amsterdam would look like hell to a Taliban.
Come to think of it, the girls from 2002 are mostly dead, so they might have a point.
On the plus side the Taliban frequently gave their POWs a free pass, what was the IRA policy?
The Taliban could be tough on Buddhas.
G.
Posted by on Mar 26, 2008 @ 10:26 PM
