Sunday, November 12, 2006
The nation remembers
Across the United Kingdom memorial services to the dead of the World War and subsequent conflicts are taking place.
There are similar nationwide ceremonies in a number of countries across the world. In Dublin, Mary McAleese attended a Remembrance Day Service at St Patrick’s Cathedral.
“They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them”.
Fair Deal @ 11:27 AM
PS do you regard the Enniskillen massacre (pertinent to bring it up, given the day, and those who still mourn those murders) as part of the brave resistance of the Irish? Seriously, put it in context for us.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 06:42 PMlib2016
i *geniunely* feel sorry for you, i really do, your mind is poisoned. You need to show love for the british, turn the other cheek. If not you are no better than them. As the great jimmy sans once said “no love hath no greater man than he who has lots of love, and go forth and burn furinture shops in the name od old eireann, slay the brit coffee table and smite the prod 3 piece suite.” or summin like that. Any way why doesnt that leet army (the free stater army who were afraid to invade cos of the B Specials) march over the border and pwn the brits n take back to 6 counties ???? i really would love to hear why not (I already know its because they have no scrota <3), but i want to hear your slant noob.
Btw Paisley FTW.
FGAU
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 06:45 PMNobody’s commented on this but why did Mick use the headline A Nation Remembers? Which nation?
Frankly I think it’s time thatw we buried all of his behind us.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 06:51 PMthe basra republican army gave them a good remberance day message today...up the insurgents!!
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 06:58 PMFirstly many republicans have apologized for the hurt and suffering they caused during the recent conflict—Mickhall
Sorry when did the murderous catholics apologise for the last 30 odds years of murder and mayhem?
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:12 PMThe British have shown the rest of the world that they are playing a major part in a rogue coalition of evil. The slaughter in Basra is happening for the second time in less than a hundred years and still they bleat about ‘our boys and their brave fight for freedom’.
Slaves kissing the feet of their masters and celebrating the chains they wear would have more selfrespect than this bunch.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:14 PMHow many innocent people were killed by the or with the knowledge of British Government in Northern Ireland.
The recent Collusion Report should set alarm bells ringing in Downing Street as this is very damming. It is a Governments responsiblity to protect it’s citizens not have them killed.
This will be an issue for The European Human Rights Court to deal with, and the way that the arrogant British Government has treated the Victims.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:26 PM‘our boys and their brave fight for freedom’
Where’d you get this quote from?
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:28 PMAre you going to continue to ignore the Enniskillen question, lib? Fair enough.
Seriously, I’ll pay your fucking bus fare. Get over the border to a country that might actually want you. Your sort should have been put over it at the barrel of a gun years ago. I still wouldn’t rule it out.Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:32 PMIt is an honourable gesture to comemerate those who fought Imperialism. Many Irish patriots (mar shampla Martin Meehan) and other regtular folk have relatives who dies in both the Great War and in the war against Fascism.
I applaud those wqho comemorate those valliant soldiers, irrespective of their ethnicity. However, it is also important that those participated in the plethora of rebellions against British Imperialism and the injustice of partition. By all means support those who eradicated Nazism in Germany, but be mindful of the fact that it exists in thye guise of Orange
Paisleyites in occupied Ireland. Meanwhile, the Brits are about to run from Iraq...we can learn from the tactics of our Muslim friends in Hezbollah and Iran. Id est, when the school yard bullies (US and GB) bite off more than they can chew..they leg it.Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:33 PM...if threads like this make anyone else realise the complete pointlessness of blogging?
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:41 PMRealist,
Ireland’s President honoured those who fought for the British Army in WWI and WWII today.I would be more interested in knowing who unionists think are entitled to be honoured and remembered.
Let’s exclude anything post 1969 and the emergence of the Provos as I don’t think there is any question to be answered there.
But what about 1798? 1803? 1848? 1867? 1916? 1919-1921? 1922-1923?
Which of these events in Irish history would a unionist think it acceptable to turn up to a memorial for as a sign of mutual respect for Ireland (state of).
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:42 PMIn proud and solemn rememberance.
Lest We Forget.
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.Wilfred Owen
March, 1918Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:48 PMVery interesting interview on Kim Lenaghan’s radio ulster show this morning - worth listening to. All those who died were human beings like you and me and, in spite of their motivation, whether volunteer or conscript, and whether british, german, belgian, bulgarian, russian, american, new zealander, australian, irish should be held in honour today. Likewise the deaths of those who volunteered to ‘fight and die’ for irish nationalism also diminish us.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:50 PMErrr, no. There is right, and there is wrong. Those who fought (and fight) on the side of right defeated the Nazis. Those who are wrong venerate the murderers of Enniskillen. Sorry there.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:54 PMRealist,
if you don’t want to answer the other post on Irish remembrance, maybe I could ask what about the Germans who died in WWI?Are you saying, for example, that the Germans who died at the Somme were wrong? The suffered the exact same.
Lest we forget doesn’t apply to them?
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 07:57 PMWhilst the British, Irish, Russian, French, etc ought never forget our ancestors, who died so that we (their children) could be free.
It is also incumbent on all who advocate for freedom, democracy and an end to sectarianism, fascism, religious fundamentalism etc., to take a step back. Remember. Al Q’aida’s violence is designed to kill non=muslims. Paisley was ejected from the The European Parliament because he was ylling that the Pope was “the anti-christ”. Paisleyites have a clearly documented history of attacking people who they consider ‘Irish catholic’. They fail to understand that Irish catholicism is merely a badge of identity, a cultural thing...in fact as I think about it, it’s something Unionism/Orangeism lacks.
Perhaps this explains their ghoulish, antiquated costumes and goat=skin Lambegs and the demand of thousands of refugee Orangies to trapse around the hills and towns of occupied Ireland. Perhaps it also explains why the want a return to a stalinist state ruled by Orangies for orangies.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 08:08 PMThe British Empire was the largest tyranny the world has ever seen. Enniskillen was a disgraceful episode in the long fight to make the world a better more democratic place by destroying it. Innocent people are still dying today in the fight against British imperialism and it is wrong but inevitable, as was Enniskillen.
Churchill and the British establishment faced vile opposition from the Nazis though they had an equally vile ally in Stalin. The same fruit from the same poisonous rivals. The age of colonialism is passing though some nations appear to be slow learners. Perhaps their current adventures will teach them a lesson but as usual it will come at the cost of destroying innocent lives.
Should we blame the Iraquis for defending their own country? Isn’t that what you (wrongly) claim the British were doing in the Second World War?
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 08:12 PMIt is also incumbent on all who advocate for freedom, democracy and an end to sectarianism...
Perhaps this explains their ghoulish, antiquated costumes and goat=skin Lambegs and the demand of thousands of refugee Orangies to trapse around the hills and towns of occupied Ireland.
Dear dear Ciaran, now who’s being sectarian? Anyway, you must be taking piss if you believe half the cobblers your write.
Either that or your smoking crack.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 08:15 PMI agree with Realist on the murdering scum of the IRA PIRA CIRA and add to that the UDA UFF etc they don’t deserve any memorial or rememberance. It is the innocent people of Enniskillen, Tebane, White Cross and many other terrorists atrocities that were carried out by the scum who ought to be rememberd along with their familes and the many injured. Regarding todays Rememberance Services held thoughout the Country it was commemorating the British and the other countries that fought along with them that gave you and I our freedom or we would be under Hitler’s Nazi German regime today all speaking German and we all owe them so much that includes all the people in Northern Ireland as for the Republic they helped Nazi Germany during the last war so what have we to thank them for except for the brave souls from that country that fought along side the Britsh and other countries and it is only in the very recent past the Southern Goverment even recognised them at all never mind their bravery. Todays services also included all those who have paid the ultimate price for their country since the two great wars and so they should
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 08:15 PM“The Irish would have been enslaved with the rest of Europe were it not for the courage of the United Kingdom when it stood alone against fascism. The forefathers of the Provos actively collaborated with the Nazi. You’d be better off keeping your mouths shut on this day of all days, lads. The Enniskillen dead should haunt you to your graves. Your cowardice and treachery when those with any decency fought the fascists, and your cowardice and sectarian hatred when you slaughtered Protestants in Fermanagh will also never be forgotten.”
I’ll give you WW2. Whatever else the British did, and for whatever reasons they did, Hitler and the Nazis were fuckers and resisting them was a a good thing.
But today isn’t celebrate WW2 day. It’s all Britain’s wars. So aside from the people who did damage here, we’re including Iraq, a conflict that is probably illegal and a complete fuck up, Maggie’s little Falkland’s adventure where she ordered the deaths of thousands of soldiers, Suez, an intervention motivated entirely by self interest and the abyss of Imperial slaughter that was World War I.
I absolutely respect the fact that you wish to respect your dead, even where it includes people you may feel they may have been wrong or led wrong. Republicans and Nationalists well understand that impulse. As for Enniskillen, it was far over the line and something that should not have been done even to the worst enemy.
But at the same time, you should understand why those on the outside may not wish to get involved.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 08:18 PMI cant believe there are so many Saddam supporters on here.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 08:28 PMIts a thread like this that really makes me wonder whether the angry young man I used to be wasn’t as wrong as I have come to believe.
Dicker
Mick didn’t title this thread I did.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 08:28 PM“I cant believe there are so many Saddam supporters on here.”
Opposing the Iraq War is not the same as supporting Saddam. It’s just going in always seemed to do more harm than good, and have other motivations.
Here is a question: Has there been any conflict like Iraq where the occupying force has been successful against the wishes of a large section of the local population without the use of either
1. Extreme brutality
2. Colonisation ?I struggle to think of one, even going back into the 19th Century.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 08:33 PM“Opposing the Iraq War is not the same as supporting Saddam. It’s just going in always seemed to do more harm than good, and have other motivations.”
Quite right, but even you can see its not a million miles off.
Posted by on Nov 12, 2006 @ 08:35 PM
