Wednesday, June 11, 2008
The gay man who became straight…
THE News Letter has tracked down a man who claims he used to be gay, but - with the help of Iris Robinson’s favourite psychologist - became straight. The man in question was the victim of sexual abuse when he was younger, and didn’t have a “concrete relationship” with his father, which he seems to believe contributed to his homosexuality. He adds: “I have found there are a whole range of factors that in some way stop a man becoming masculine. If they aren’t dealt with by puberty these needs are suddenly eroticised. Straight people often say ‘gay people must be born that way’ because they can’t understand it. But when I probe them more closely such people have always had healthy relationships with a significant male role model as they grew up.” It’s an interesting, somewhat tragic, story - but is it really possible to generalise for all gay men? I’m sure there are plenty of gay people who grew up in stable families, had healthy relationships with their fathers, are happy and secure in their sexuality and were never abused - aren’t there?
Belfast Gonzo @ 11:04 AM
“Its a miracle! I can walk again”
I love how Christian fundamentalists just don’t get how absolutely and utterly ridiculous they appear to the rest of us.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 11:47 AMWhat about masculine gay men? How does he explain that?
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 11:52 AMThere are a lot of things that aren’t explained here, but to be fair it’s only a short-ish article that isn’t going to cover everything. I’ve tried to concentrate on what the guy said, as opposed to what he hasn’t.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 11:58 AMI wonder if his bank balance has too changed because of this article?
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 12:12 PMbut is it really possible to generalise for all gay men?
From what i have heard from Dr Miller on the Nolan show he doesnt belive that this applies to all gay men, rather a small minority who may be helped by his services.
Indeed, the only people who are saying that this guy can turn gays straight are nolan and those with an anti-Iris agenda.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 12:13 PMI’ve tried to concentrate on what the guy said, as opposed to what he hasn’t.
Quite, but it’s hard to ignore the underlying implication that he considers homosexuality a condition that can be ‘cured’. One observation, which this interview appears to bear out, is that the pro-Sharia lobby do appear to be ignorant of the concept of bisexuality.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 12:20 PMBy all accounts, most straight men can be turned gay, with enough pints.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 12:29 PMMaybe this has beeen said before, but there are too many posts on too many strands for me to remember:
People can always ‘modify’ their sexual behaviour to fit an aspiration. In the past many many gay men acted straight because it was simply unacceptable not to. Some gay people went into religious orders (Catholics only, I expect) to avoid the expectations of sexuality counter to their real preferences. Many heterosexual men and women denied their sexuality through vows of chastity.
So it is not impossible that this individual has repressed some part of his sexuality in order to comply with some other part of his complex personality. Or maybe he was (as he seems to be implying) never really gay in the first place - he was just acting gay to fit what he thought he was. Or maybe he was, and still is, bisexual, and just prioritises one side of that as he feels it necessary?
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 12:36 PMImagine finding other mens bits desirable, ugghhhh! Disgusting buggers. What’s the fascination in a rear end anyhow, creepy!
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 12:38 PMHorseman
”Some gay people went into religious orders (Catholics only, I expect) to avoid the expectations of sexuality counter to their real preferences.”
and most of them turned into pedophiles, so it’s possible to change from being gay.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 12:40 PM‘and most of them turned into pedophiles, so it’s possible to change from being gay.’
im sure your going to furnish us with figures on which you’ve based this statement. If not, i think your not the first person to suffer a virtual ‘laughed out of the room’.
And it seems your inferring paedophiles cannot be gay. Again ‘laughed out of the room’.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 12:54 PMAnd it seems your inferring paedophiles cannot be gay. Again ‘laughed out of the room’.
Posted by RepublicanStones on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:54 PM
Im sure that enough priests have proved that it is possible to be both
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:04 PMOne wonders observer why you felt the need to use Priests as an example.....actually its pretty obvious.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:09 PMOne wonders observer why you felt the need to use Priests as an example.....actually its pretty obvious.
Posted by RepublicanStones on Jun 11, 2008 @ 02:09 PM
What is it youre denying? That many priests are Pedos...Gay or both?
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:12 PMWhere have i denied anything?
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:16 PMRepublicanStones
”im sure your going to furnish us with figures on which you’ve based this statement. If not, i think your not the first person to suffer a virtual ‘laughed out of the room’.
And it seems your inferring paedophiles cannot be gay. Again ‘laughed out of the room’.
There was at one time 50% of the Priesthood who were gay, this number has now fallen to 25%.
http://atheism.about.com/od/catholicismandgays/a/gaypriests.htm“Scandals involving priests who have sexually abused children have been a source of many problems for the Roman Catholic Church. One of those problems has been the situation of gay priests. Statements from Vatican officials have expressed strong disapproval of the very existence of homosexuals within the priesthood — the presumption being that the sexual abuse problems are caused by gays and that if they disappear, then so will the problem.”
I would say it’s more than a presumption. The Vatican knows rightly that was the problem, they’re so secretive they never reveal the truth publicly. When you cage an animal it changes, just the same way if you cage a gay, you change his ways.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:25 PMyou provide a link to an Agnostic/atheist website about Catholic clergy and still no figures in the link. LMAO
‘just the same way if you cage a gay, you change his ways.’
please elaborate on this...have you caged many gays? and if so what way did they change?
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:31 PM“you provide a link to an Agnostic/atheist website about Catholic clergy and still no figures in the link. LMAO”
lucky you aren’t a priest or your arse won’t be laughing
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:43 PMTumbleweed.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:48 PMImagine the Vatican cutting down on gay Priests when the problem is said to be from peodophiles? strange decision, but hardly surprising as the majority of the children abused were young boys. didn’t the Greeks have a vibrant gay society and men-to-boys wasn’t uncommon at that time.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:55 PMSounds to me like the guy in the article has used a psychiatrist to repress his bisexuality.
Great first comment by Anon8 on the newsletter article.
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/My-life-was-changed-by.4171827.jp?articlepage=2Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:55 PMI can’t stand Iris’s Quisling unionist politics, but her strongly worded remarks about gays,(look how they have stolen a beautiful little word in the English language to euphemize their perversion)shows us that she is exactly the right person to chair the Health Committee.
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 01:56 PMUMH you gonna tell where you got those figures? did you happen to buy magic beans off the same man?
How about those gays you’ve caged, what happened to them?Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 02:02 PMRepublicanStones
A book by Father Donald Cozzens ‘Faith that Dares to Speak’ says that 50% of Priests in training were gay. Current estimates are around 20% some are higher.
If you like figures, there’s a good read on http://thras.blogspot.com, but I can’t post the full link as this website says it ss blacklisted. the thread title is called “Why Catholics Can’t Afford Gay Priests”. I’m sure the author and owner of the blog will be willing to give your sources for the figures if you so desire.
“85% of the cases that have come to light involve priests and teenage boys. Given that about 3% of the male population is homosexual, and estimates for the Catholic clergy are somewhere around 20%, then the 85% male-male abuse pattern can mean only one thing: homosexual priests are at the center of the sexual abuse problem for the Catholic Church. From these numbers, a gay priest is 23 times more likely than a heterosexual to be involved in an abuse scandal costing the Church millions of dollars. It’s a monetary issue. Catholics simply can’t afford gays any longer if they’re going to behave like this.”
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 02:42 PMto help you look for the link within that site, it’s dated 2005-09-26
Posted by on Jun 11, 2008 @ 02:47 PM
