Friday, November 27, 2009
The Falls alight on Friday night…
From your roving reporter David Vance... Though it comes with little detail…
Mick Fealty @ 10:55 PM
thought provoking stuff.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 12:11 AMI wonder if a few wheelie bins alight in the Shankill Road would have received the same attention from our bitter little friend. He had initially described the situation as riotous before amending his hyperbolic rant when informed otherwise.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 12:17 AMWow, has Gerry Adams been informed of this latest momentous development?
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 12:39 AMWas that supposed to be a video?
All I can see is a pic with someone running across the road with 2 firemen appearing to be having a piss at the right hand side.Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 01:01 AMYeah, the only thing missing from the photo was any reason at all for its existence.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 01:14 AMWhy in the world would anyone be surprised by unrest in a police state?
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 04:50 AMMaybe theres a bigger picture.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 08:47 AM“maybe there’s a bigger picture”
Yeah but I bet the quality is no better than this one!
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 11:07 AMI’m not sure what the picture shows, other than a fire engine.
Anti-social behaviour is a very serious problem in the neighbourhoods all over the country. The stuff that made the news in the city centre earlier in the week happens on a regular basis around the inner city and the suburbs, and tends to go unreported. The police do not appear to have a strategy to deal with it. Frankly, a lot of the time, it looks like they don’t really want to get their hands dirty.
I don’t see a problem with prosecuting parents who fail to properly look after their kids, allowing them to roam the streets at night. We prosecute them if they do not make sure their kids go to school, so the concept of parental liability is already there.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 11:28 AMSo I’m not the only one that has no idea what this is about.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 11:40 AMI think Comrade Stalin is right.
This follows on from that which happened the other evening in the city centre. Is this recreational vandalism? And what about the parents - some of the kids seemed very young the other evening - early teens.
It’s an attempt I think to talk about the issue of anti social behaviour from the looks of it. AS C. S. writes it is indeed a problem in our cities. Yesterday I over heard a few kids boasting about ‘jail time’, like something from the wire one of them shouted at the crowd that none of them had done any time, and the response he got back was ‘well I’m only fifteen’, that earned the retort, ‘by the time I was fifteen I’d been in jail’.
Peace has brought us nothing if our young are going to end up like something from the corners of Baltimore. We’re going down that road, and it is an issue that is under reported, and ignored by the msm. Our young are a ticking time bomb.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 11:48 AMThe post on ATW is an absolute non-story, not in the sense that there isn’t a story there, but that there is no actual “reporting” of anything. It’s probably the least descriptive post I’ve ever read.
I’d have to agree with Comrade Stalin’s point regarding the police though; I do think there is no coherent strategy for dealing with young criminals and there is also a worrying attitude that because they are young their crimes are less serious. As any victim will tell you, it doesn’t really matter what age the perpetrator was.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 11:59 AMBREAKING NEWS FROM DAVID VANCE “Republicans are bad.”
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 12:01 PMnot in the sense that there isn’t a story there, but that there is no actual “reporting” of anything.
I agree, but blogs are not the msm. I did see a lot of man playing on this thread earlier. Good luck to mick if he is trying to get peace on line, when we don’t have it elsewhere, we only have to think back this past week to the mc dowell incident. We are a society that still thinks in terms of them and us, and I looked at the post on Vance’s blog and it doesn’t say Republicans are bad at all. See below,
Sad to report that there appears to be more street theatre of the pyrrhic kind in Belfast this evening, on the Falls Road. This follows on from that which happened the other evening in the city centre. Is this recreational vandalism? And what about the parents - some of the kids seemed very young the other evening - early teens.
Everybody is entitled to a view on anti social behaviour because it affects us all.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 12:13 PMWell, it’s good to see that the citizen journalism and self-publication empowerment properties of the Internet are being exploited to the max. Maybe some other blog has breaking news and even a first picture of a nonchalant cat up a tree?
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 12:22 PM“Maybe some other blog has breaking news and even a first picture of a nonchalant cat up a tree?”
lol
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 12:34 PMDavid Vance is the last person (well maybe Turgon as well) who would post anything other than stereotypical nonsense about west belfast.
West Belfast was, is and is probably always destined to be one of the most socially deprived areas in these islands. So just like the inner cities of Dublin, Limerick or London there will be anti-social behaviour. This is a social disease not a nationalist area disease and to say otherwise is nothing short of sectarianism.
David should venture into the socially deprived areas of Ballymena to see what drugs and anti-social behaviour are doing to that DUP/TUV heartland. Then compare the two - that would be honest journalism and worth reading.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 01:14 PMLinking to that blog does absolutely nothing to encourage the type of optimism about blogging’s contribution to democratic expression, any more than the author’s posting here during the Gaza bombardment (“Go, Israel!”) contributed to sensible debate on a serious issue.
The man is to be pitied or sectioned, not encouraged.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 01:18 PMI’m about the last person to defend David Vance, but I didn’t interpret his comment on his blog as “look at those stupid fenians wrecking the place”. The Falls/Divis is one of the black spots for this kind of behaviour at the moment, and it’s republicans/SF types who you’ll hear shouting the loudest about it. Quite rightly too, as it’s destroying their community in the same way that it destroys any community where it sets in.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 01:24 PMI am happy to report that there were no recorded incidents of widespread rioting, looting, arson or vandalism in Hackney last night.
Police were at a loss as to the causes of this serious outbreak of peace although one non-attributable source ventured that it was probably due to “a shortage of Fenians” in the area.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 03:05 PMAlright Kids - permit me to deal with the inflammatory issue. (Geddit?)
First of, I am no roving reporter.
As I explained on ATW, I had witnessed first hand loutishness in Belfast post Bob the Builder and expressed my concern at how some very young people were engaging in this kind of anti-social behavior. Issues like parental responsibility interest me in that regards.
Now, last evening, I was provided by someone who lives in West Belfast of images of some further anti-social behaviour. It seems that the Fire Brigaded had to put out the results of this. So, from Bob the Builder to Fireman Sam in but a few short days.
I once again wondered why we have such loutishness on our streets.
Cue the onslaught of the Sluggerettes transferring their own rancid bigorty onto me! I could not care less if it was east, west, north or south Belfast where such loutishness happens. This is not a sectarian issue, you proles. It is about trying to understand why a section of young people think it is a good night out if they can damage property and makes other people miserable. It is about figuring out how parents preside over this. It is about the rule of law, wherever.
I appreciate that some of you are so blinded by your own bigotry that this is beyond your comprehension so I will waste no more time on them.
I thank Only Asking and Comrade Stalin for trying to understand what I was writing about. I also fully agree with west Belfast about what goes on in UVF controlled sections of Ballymena, and should someone send me images of this I will happily comment.
You should be mature enough to accept that issues like young people engaging in anti-social behavior is a problem for all of us.
And just so ALL are clear, I have never claimed to be a citizen journalist!
Now, I’m off for some recreational blogging…
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 05:39 PMCue the onslaught of the Sluggerettes transferring their own rancid bigorty onto me!
We learned from the best, David.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 05:52 PMWest Belfast was, is and is probably always destined to be one of the most socially deprived areas in these islands….........
how so? west belfast is within a few miles of the majority of jobs in the whole of Northern Ireland. The people there have better job prospects that those in the rest of the province. better bus and rail services, closer and better hospital care.Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 06:02 PMI don’t think anyone can take seriously moralising about the rule of law from someone who is on the record as wishing to exclude from government all Irish Nationalists and Republicans because he believes they are not loyal to the state of N Ireland - and who said and acted as he did regarding the deaths of thousands of men, women and children in Gaza earlier this year.
Posted by on Nov 28, 2009 @ 06:13 PMGo
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