Tuesday, July 08, 2008
Shock…Horror….Disbelief…‘Anti-British’ Larne Council refuse to erect loyalist bunting!
Orangemen in Larne have staged a protest outside Council buildings after the Council failed to erect (and pay for) red, white and blue bunting in the town. The DUP Mayor, Bobby McKee, cited equality laws as the reason why Larne Council has failed to erect the bunting. A Council spokesperson claimed they had asked the Order to seek funding for “cultural activities” which could have been used to pay for the bunting, which raises the intriguing prospect of Larne Council paying for green, white and orange bunting under cultural activities were it to be sought at some stage.
Chris Donnelly @ 07:01 AM
“If you you don’t like it , MOVE HOME”
Posted by Ulsters my homeland on Jul 08, 2008 @ 12:51 PMWhat a stupid comment to make. Are you really that thick? We are home dim wit! There is no community in norn Iron, there are two communities. The nationalist community makes up just under half the population of the north and basically all the population of the south. You’ll find if anyone needs to move home it certainly isn’t the nationalist community. However I won’t go down that road. We all share this space and unionism can’t and won’t get away with the stuff it used to in the past when we had the infamous “Protestant Parliament for a Protestant people”, gerrymandering and croppies lie down mentality. We haven’t gone away you know, nor do we intend to. Indeed if anything we are growing stronger in numbers and confidence. People from my community are out studying for third level education, whilst people from your community are out beating drums and burning tyres! No shipyards and jobs for the boys anymore. My how the tables have turned. We know who we are, where we are and where we are going whilst you and you’re ilk stumble around searching hopelessly for an identity. Come back to me in 20 years when all the top jobs in this place are run by nationalists whilst Unionists complain about social and economic deprivation on their way to collect their dole, which will incidentally be paid out to them in Euros.
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 03:10 PMIndeed no Congal. Pray do tell what was bigoted OR factually incorrect about my post? FACT is many ordinary Prods are sick of the July 12 nonsense and can’t wait to get away from it. Now you may want to adapt the 3 monkeys SEE NO, HEAR NO AND SPEAK NO EVIL about the Orange Order but others see it differently as undoubtedly it’s dying on it’s arse. The only ones who stay around at this time are the diehards and farmers. Donegal & Dublin are crammed with Wendy’s & Ians from North Down and South & East Belfast, just ask any hotelier. The Orange Order is an anachronism that one almost, but not quite, feels sorry for. How far has the ‘mighty’ Portadown District Orange Lodge fallen when they are reduced to begging the residents of Garvaghy Road for talks? It was quite pathetic on Sunday but this quasi paramilitary organisation has brought ALL bad publicity and humiliation on itself. It is a sad, beaten, tattered, bunch of old men harking after the Good Oul’ apartheid days when Seamus and Nuala knew their place. In reality it should just fold up it’s tent, put away it’s collars and banners AND wither away in shame. It was the usual suspects in Larne, the same types that protested against Mary McAleese in Coleraine, the chapel at Harryville and against the children of Holy Cross.
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 03:19 PMCongal
“I agree with you that Irish is one of the British Isle’s oldest languages and it should be treasured.”
Self-evident isn’t it? You’re in a minority within your community though,
“I also know that in the past Ulster Prods played a leading role in saving it.”
They did indeed, thank ‘evans guv. They did this in times where the militant Republican of their day used Gaelic too. That didn’t stop them.
” However, through the efforts of the likes of Chris Donnelly the language has become a devisive, sectarian issue. I know that sounds mental. How can a language be sectarian?”
The Red Hand of Uládh. Nationalists still embrace it despite it being a loyalist fetish. Can’t Unionists behave similarly wrt Gaelic?
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 03:23 PMNevin,
What that certain supermarket happen to have branding with the same colours as certain bunting which isn’t being funded by a certain council which a certain MP doesn’t sit on?
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 03:34 PMJudging by some comments I will probably have to dust down my copy of Animal Farm…
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 03:38 PMHi Lurig,
Here’s a few of the comments you made…
“knuckledraggers”
“17th century fundamentalists”
“monosyllablic gum munchers”
“couldn’t string two words together”
“sad old bunch”
“bigoted remnants”
“bitter, myopic, pathetic”
“cave dwellers”
“get a life”
“get a job”Again, are you jesting?
Hi Cowboy,
“The Red Hand of Uládh. Nationalists still embrace it despite it being a loyalist fetish. Can’t Unionists behave similarly wrt Gaelic?”
I think we should. I think it should be introduced into state schools. It would also give Unionist kids access to first hand material relating to early Irish history which could have interesting consequences. That’ll take a while tho’.
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 03:40 PM“The Red Hand of Uládh. Nationalists still embrace it despite it being a loyalist fetish. Can’t Unionists behave similarly wrt Gaelic? “
Somewhat over simplified I think (as much as I would dearly love it to be true). The “sectarian Red Hand” is still rejected by many nationalists. FFS I had to change an avatar on a forum recently after some wanknut claimed it was a “UDA symbol”. And look happened to Zoe Salmon after that Scottish fascist got stuck in.
Sorry it’s OT… call it a pet peeve.
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 03:46 PMdick swett,
“... most historical consensus would suggest that this 17th century movement ...”
Extreme-late 18th century. Founded 1795.
“... is associated with trends toward parliamentary democracy in rejection of roman catholic absolutism, an embrace of enlightenment principles and rejection of romanticism and mysticism; a cornerstone of mordern democratic and libertarian western values, and a rejection of narrow ‘big’ church and state intervention in individual freedoms.”
Founded as a reconstituted version of the mainly-Church of Ireland “Peep O’Day Boys” following the “Battle of the Diamond” in answer to the alliace between the mainly-Roman Catholic “Defenders” and mainly-Presbyterian “United Irishmen”.
All of the above were militant secret societies.
(You appear to be confusing the Orange Order with the Glorious Revolution/Revolution of 1688.)
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 04:02 PM“Somewhat over simplified I think (as much as I would dearly love it to be true). The “sectarian Red Hand” is still rejected by many nationalists. FFS I had to change an avatar on a forum recently after some wanknut claimed it was a “UDA symbol”. And look happened to Zoe Salmon after that Scottish fascist got stuck in.”
I’d say the vast majority of Nationalists would be happy wearing a item of clothing with the Red Hand on it.
It’s always presented on it’s own, open palmed and sans attached motto. I’d suggest it’s this fetishization and corruption of the original that repels some nationalists.
If your Red hand was clenched then the guy had a point but none if it wasn’t.
The whole Zoe Salmon thing was blown out of proportion but she has also drawn the whole of Ireland covered in a Union Jack so she has previous, so to speak, and this allowed her motives to be questioned.
Hi Congal
” think we should. I think it should be introduced into state schools. It would also give Unionist kids access to first hand material relating to early Irish history which could have interesting consequences. That’ll take a while tho’.”
That’d be excellent. What do you think some of the consequences could be?
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 04:09 PM“I’d say the vast majority of Nationalists would be happy wearing a item of clothing with the Red Hand on it.”
Eh? What sort a’ Clady maun are you Sir?
The Red Hand has been hijacked, hijacked I tells ye, by Tyronians!!!
I would rather go naked than people thinking I was from Tyrone. NAKED!!!!!
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 04:12 PM“Eh? What sort a’ Clady maun are you Sir?”
An exiled one, maybe that explains it!
“I would rather go naked than people thinking I was from Tyrone. NAKED!!!!!”
You’re not a Monaghan judge are ye?
Ah sure, we’re half-Donegal in Clady anyhow :-)
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 04:32 PMI wonder how many years it will take will all these stupid parades and marches either a) no longer take place, or b.) no longer bring so much drama from the distant path
Surely there are other problems in NI without worrying about your local council not helping to fund your celebration of a battle fought over 300 years ago that wasn’t exactly Waterloo or the Bulge to begin with.
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 04:36 PMearman
If nationalists went outside when a March passed by and waved, smiling, looking happy; what would happen?Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 05:00 PMGo home UMH? The Irish people that you tell to go home have been in this part of Ireland for thousands of years! How long have your ancestors been in Ulster? A few hundred years? How can we go home if we’ve been here all along!!;)
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 05:23 PMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zöe_Salmon
Leave her alone.
She is hirsuitically-challenged (As well as centurially as the article makes clear).
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 05:35 PM...but she is hot.
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 05:48 PMSure if you like that tall skinny blonde look
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 06:12 PMI know, my taste just sucks….
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 06:24 PMThank God I checked Page 2 - I was about to post in the same list as Congal.
So much for “a shared future”. This thread is very much reminding me of the labels pinned on every Prod when the President was heckled in Milburn.
Shockingly bad display here on both sides of the house…
Ulster’s My Homeland, you need to rethink your approach when you write things like “move home”. Frankly, speaking as a Prod myself, you let the whole side down.
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 08:28 PMClady, I was about to ask if you were from Tyrone yourself (until reading the following comment) because I simply can’t believe your claim about the “vast majority of Nationalists”. Tyrone-folk maybe. Maybe it’s an east-west thing, but the ones I know wouldn’t countenance it.
(BTW the icon I was referring to was open-palmed but had the 6-pointed star - I thought it was marginally less ‘political’ than the NI flag (complete with crown) but apparently I was wrong as this was what they suggested using instead!!)
“The whole Zoe Salmon thing was blown out of proportion but she has also drawn the whole of Ireland covered in a Union Jack so she has previous, so to speak, and this allowed her motives to be questioned. “
Actually she chose a picture (drawn by a 7 or 8 year old girl IIRC) featuring the oh-so-offensive iconography as the winner of a kids art competition.
I suppose after all that I should commment on the topic at hand. The problem is it’s a non-story. Yes, Orangemen MOPE (what’s new?). Just another chance for CD to point and laugh at those silly Prods making themselves look foolish.
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 09:47 PMGreagoir O Frainclin
“Hey ‘Ulster is my homeland’....another display of ignorance. You and the like continually ignore that rather substantial number of people who live among you too in NI who profess to ‘Irish’ only.”
They can profess to be whatever the hell they like, it still doesn’t change the matter. They are in the union of Great Britian and N.Ireland (whether they like it or not) and the national colours are red, white and blue. If they don’t like it, they can live somewhere else. You wouldn’t oppose buntings going up in the national colours in any other country, so don’t do it here!
BTW, it was right not to display the British bunting for the 12th. If this was the case then the colours and symbols of Irish Nationalism should be displayed on particular dates significant to Irish Nationalists.
Parity of esteem it’s called, so live with it.”
Not in British N.Ireland. If you really want to live where the colours of Irish nationalism are displayed in any legitimate sense, go to the Republic and stop living in some wee fantasy world in N.Ireland, for this is British soil and will remain so, Tally-Ho!
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 09:52 PMQuagmire
“You’ll find if anyone needs to move home it certainly isn’t the nationalist community.”
At home my ass!
“However I won’t go down that road.
Why not? Is it because Irish Nationalists never were an historic part of Ulster? Is it because Irish Nationalism is a modern fantasy stuck in a Brian Boru time machine?
“We all share this space and unionism can’t and won’t get away with the stuff it used to in the past when we had the infamous “Protestant Parliament for a Protestant people”, gerrymandering and croppies lie down mentality.”
If you want to share the space, accept the space for what it is, British (red, white and blue)?
“We haven’t gone away you know, nor do we intend to. Indeed if anything we are growing stronger in numbers and confidence. People from my community are out studying for third level education, whilst people from your community are out beating drums and burning tyres! “
Typical patronising Irish.
“No shipyards and jobs for the boys anymore. My how the tables have turned. We know who we are, where we are and where we are going whilst you and you’re ilk stumble around searching hopelessly for an identity.”
You must be the only nation to be so confident about your roots. What else do you expect from a lifetime of making up myths and legends to support your identity. Your identity is built on myth and lies.
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 10:12 PMFor those of you who hadn’t noticed Umh is a troll.
Who’d have thought that Larne council would stand accused of appeasing Fenians on the 12th of July?
Is it April Fools’ Day?
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 10:30 PMCapricorn
“Go home UMH? The Irish people that you tell to go home have been in this part of Ireland for thousands of years! How long have your ancestors been in Ulster? A few hundred years? How can we go home if we’ve been here all along!!;)
You Irish are so gullible, it’s really unbelievable. You seem to think the whole island was united before the English arrived and what’s more unbelievable you seem to think everyone was Irish before that, lol.
Before the Pope gave ‘your’ island to the English, was it the common hiberni who were the Irish? or maybe it was the noble Scots who were the Irish?. What if you go back further, were the Priteni (Cruithni, in old Irish), were they the real Irish?
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 10:31 PM“For those of you who hadn’t noticed Umh is a troll. “
Surely you can do better than that picador?
Posted by on Jul 08, 2008 @ 10:33 PM
