Saturday, February 25, 2006
RTE reporter attacked and called “Orange Bastard”
RTE have just put out a few words from their injured reporter Charlie Bird, who was pursued by rioters, attacked and called “Orange Bastard” by his attackers. Several people have been arrested and put before the courts already. It may be interesting to see precisely who turns up there over the next few days. Republican Sinn Fein denies being involved, but blames the Unionists for provoking the riots.
Mick Fealty @ 07:08 PM
Henry,
“All the 13 charged so far have Dublin addresses. Clearly the more experienced northeners got away.”4 of the 13 are East Europeans with Dublin addresses.
My own view is that this was a serious miscalculation on the part of an Garda Siochana.
If they weren’t in a position to put this march through with the bands etc. they shouldn’t have allowed it in that form.For the Revolutionary 1st of May demonstrations in Berlin, where trouble is expected, the Berlin police generally number between 5 and 7 thousand.
All items that can be used to attack the police are removed and riot police surround every building site on the route. Standard practise.
Here we had a couple of hundred Gardai, ridiculous.
What should have been a show of strength by the Irish state of its intentions towards northern unionists turned into a show of strength by RSF and others of theirs.
I can tell you one thing if George Bush wanted to walk from Parnell Square to Leinster House the personell necessary to ensure it would have been on hand.
The state was a big loser here and McDowell and the police have big questions to answer.
George.
Posted by on Feb 26, 2006 @ 05:41 PMwe ll be there the same time next week UVF
Posted by on Feb 26, 2006 @ 06:00 PManother peaceful parade attcked by republicans when is the irish goverment and uk goverment going to realise that the sinn fein/IRA/RIRA/CIRA/INLA don’t want peace
Posted by on Feb 26, 2006 @ 09:55 PMThe vast majority of the people of Dublin (including myself) were
happy enough to let the parade take place despite knowing that a
similar nationalist/republican parade in unionist areas of the North
would certainly not be tolerated by the Orangemen. It was going to
be great to demonstrate openness and tolerance to a people most people
down here regard as being stuck in the 1600s. However thanks to our
local Dublin scumbags the Orangemen went home with their heads high
and oozing with moral righteousness. The trouble makers are the same
crowd of nose ring bearing tree huggers that wrecked Temple Bar a few
years ago on May Day. They represent nobody. The fact that they called
Charlie Bird an Orange B*stard says it all.Posted by on Feb 26, 2006 @ 11:51 PMSorry,
But the notion Love Ulster marchers have just had their worst fears about a United Ireland confirmed is just ridiculous.
If these loyalists had been allowed down O’Connell St on a red carpet and given a champagne reception at Leinster House followed by 5 star accomodation at the Shelbourne they would still be implacably opposed to the idea of equality with the rest of the Irish people.
Saturday’s episode was a very successful DUP stunt which could not have succeeded without the collaboration of Minister Michael McDowell.
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 01:03 AMSo what if he was called an Orange B. Why is he not.
These orangemen should not of been allowed in Dublin in the first place and as soon as all Northern prods are removed to britain the better.
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 12:12 PMThese orangemen should not of been allowed in Dublin in the first place and as soon as all Northern prods are removed to britain the better.
I was really pleased to see this comment from Keep Out, as I was beginning to think I was dreaming that neantherthals still exist, but here is living proof.
KO, this idea was floated in the 1930’s, but sensible people decided it was nonsense and insulting.
Your ideas are ludicrous, but if you want to expand with something sensible, go ahead, I always wanted to know how your thought process might go.
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 12:58 PMAs a unionist I want to thank all the contributors from the republic for their kind words.
I had been led to belive that partion was something only a minority on the island wanted, but now I realise that many many fine citizens of the republic also support the idea of a border.I just know that if we continue to work together, in a spirit of mutual hatred and contempt, then we will forever be apart.
Thanks for making the effort, big Ian is proud of you.
I already know that you “get” irony, the sight of tricolur waving thugs telling Unionsts they weren’t wanted showed me that
;-)
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 01:12 PM“These orangemen should not of been allowed in Dublin in the first place and as soon as all Northern prods are removed to britain the better”
Spoken like a budding Nick Griffith.
I thought it was only unionists who were Nazis.
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 01:17 PMi am a member of the sons of ulster flute band in randalstown.i went along with a number of band members to dublin on saturday to show my support for those victims of terrorism who lost their lives and support for their families.it was sad to see the hatred shown and trouble that took place.i would like to pass on our thanks to the garda for the superb job they did. unfortunately they were not prepared for the trouble and to this they had a number of officers hurt.however.we were not out to offend the people of dublin and want to make this clear.we only wanted to highlight the suffering and grief thats been imposed on our families and neighbours. SAM
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 01:33 PMOkay, usually I just stay well clear of the whole North/South debate because it’s ridiculous.
But FFS people! Is *anyone* here not going to whine about Unionists and Republicans?! I think we’re all missing an important point here;
A group of people tried to stage a peaceful march to express their own views WHATEVER THEY MAY BE. The fact that not only were they unable to do this, but the whole thing has turned into another Unionist/Republican debate is absolutely shocking. The only thing I’m going to say is this - I’m not so sure I want to live in a country where people claim to applaud freedom, but only if it’s by certain groups. Everyone on this island is entitled to express themselves within the limits of the law. And if I ever have children, I won’t have them born into a society of Them Versus Us mentality.
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 01:37 PMmessage for Brother Bird of Montrose Press LOL 1916
best wishes for a speedy recovery, but if you don’t pull through the lads will put your mugon the next banner
Bos na bua!Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 02:24 PMRSF blame us for “provoking the riots”...and how exactly did we do that when the closest we got to “protestors” were tricolour-waving hoods giving obscene middle-finger and slit-throat gestures to our buses on the way to our drop-off point around the corner from O’Connell Street?
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 02:38 PMThe 2:38pm post came courtesy of Concerned Loyalist and not George2..what is going on-why does it persist in doing this?
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 02:41 PMsorry about the identity theft there george
it was me all alongdarth
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 02:48 PMposted by Kathy C
Hi all,
Sam, I was fascinated by your post. I even went to the web and tried to see if your flute band had a web site....I couldn’t find one ;o(.
I had a few questions if you don’t mind....
1) why was your flute band choosen to go down to Dublin?
2) I see that the name of the group you are with is...."Son’s of Ulster Flute Band” Now, can any son of ulster join(cross community)...or just certain son’s?
and if not all son’s in ulster can join...what is your requirements for joining your group?Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 08:01 PMKathy,
Back off and leave Sam alone. He (she?) wrote a calm, innocuous post relaying his firsthand observations of the day (and his reasons for going there). You in turn attacked him.
Take that cross off your shoulders and remind yourself that you’re an American ... you are NOT part of the nationalist community that went through so much in the 60s and 70s. Nor, I’m guessing by his youthful sounding post, was Sam in any way responsible for those days, so leave him alone.
One last remark/question: Do you think Sam would be invited to join the Clonard Martyrs band?
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 08:37 PMposted by Kathy C
Hi all,
George...wow....I don’t have a cross on my shoulders and I didn’t attack Sam. I just asked Sam a few questions.
In the US we have a group.... Son’s of Liberty...which includes sons (descendents) of the men who fought in our Revolution against the British. It is all inclusive and isn’t based upon relgion. Now...to ask if Son’s of Ulster is an inclusive or exclusive group...is a question...not an attack.
Also, because a riot occured...I feel, it is fair to ask questions including...why was that band...Son’s of Ulster Flute Band choosen? And for that...you state I attacked Sam?
The riot was broadcast all around the world...and if someone saw or read that a group..."Son’s of Ulster Flute Band” came down from the north of Ireland to march...it is fair to question...who and what is the Son’s of Ulster Flute Band.
When a group claims the entirity of a region...Ulster and state they are the Son’s of that region....one can ask if it is open to all son’s and if not...why not....
posted by Kathy C
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 08:53 PMWhen a group claims the entirity of a region...
You mean like the rioters did on Saturday, and you have done several times by suggesting that unionists aren’t welcome in Dublin?
Tell us more about life over there, behind the irony curtain.....
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 09:03 PM“In the US we have a group.... Son’s of Liberty...which includes sons (descendents) of the men who fought in our Revolution against the British. It is all inclusive and isn’t based upon relgion.”
Phooey. While the SOL may not exclude based upon religion, your very description of them (I’ve never heard of them myself, though I have heard of the DAR) is exclusionary … if you’re not the son of the son of the … and so on, you can’t join. That’s exclusionary. And might I remind you (or inform you … sounds like your knowledge of American history is as myopic as your knowledge of Irish history) that the majority, if not all, of our American forefathers were Protestant. Ergo, I doubt many Catholics are in the SOL … or DAR.
“Also, because a riot occured...I feel, it is fair to ask questions including...why was that band...Son’s of Ulster Flute Band choosen?”
I’m guessing it’s because they were good.
“I don’t have a cross on my shoulders and I didn’t attack Sam”
Phooey squared. You’ve been needling posters throughout the day on a number of threads. Sam’s the latest victim. Considering the raw emotions of everyone due to yesterday’s events, you’d think you could be a bit more sensitive, but instead you’re telling folks (on another thread) that the ROI should due away with the tricolour and replace it with a white flag w/a shamrock??? Oh, you Plastic Paddy!!!!!!!!
“When a group claims the entirity of a region...”
Sam’s band’s name is ‘Sons of Ulster’, not “the ONLY sons of Ulster’, just SOME ‘sons of ulster’.“one can ask if it is open to all son’s and if not...why not.... “
Same question goes for the Clonard Martyrs … now answer that … or do you not even know anyone from Clonard … or anywhere else in Belfast for that matter?For the record, this is SlugFest speaking (as above). I tend to have very nationalist/republican leanings, but i have an extremely hard time reading your posts. You seem to have an extremely limited understanding of the NI situation and are ridiculously unsympathetic to the Unionlist and Loyalist communities. Can you not understand that attrocities happened on all sides? Can you not see the humanity in both communities???? Stop regurgitating what your parent taught you after their NORAID meetings and start thinking for yourself.
Posted by on Feb 27, 2006 @ 09:22 PM“Stop regurgitating what your parent taught you after their NORAID meetings and start thinking for yourself.”
Denis Donaldson certainly has a lot to answer for.
Posted by on Feb 28, 2006 @ 08:18 AMThere is a very good reason why the Irish flag is GREEN, WHITE and ORANGE. We either live together or die together. Either way we will always be together.
Posted by on Feb 28, 2006 @ 05:11 PMposted by Kathy C
Hi all, It is true that many in the American Revolution were protestant. However, there were Catholics as well. In fact Charles Carrol was the only Catholic that signed the declaration of independence...but a Catholic did sign.
George Washington...back in Nov 5, 1771 reprimanded the troops in Cambridge Massachusetts for celebrating the anti-Catholic Guy Fawkes Day...Washington didn’t want to offend the French Catholics or the Catholics in the colonies .....I even found a web site you can check this out on
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gwhtml/1775.htmland George Washingto wrote a letter to Roman Catholics in March 1790 thanking them for what they did in the American Revolution...George’s words,
“And I presume that your fellow-citzens will not forget theh patriotic part which you took in the accomplishment of their Revolution, anmd the establishment of their government; or the important assistance which they received from a nation in which the Roman Catholic faith is professed.”http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=396
As for bringing my parents into the dicussion...it reminded me of what is done on the school play ground...call someone’s parents a name....but fyi...my parents never went to a noraid meeting…
Now to the Green white and orange. Like I said on the other thread...it is a flag that groups people according to their religion...I would like to see aN Irish flag that doesn’t do that...that’s why I like the shamrock...the world over knows the shamrock is an Irish symbol....
And another fyi....I’m Catholic as well as a Daughter of the American Revolution...fancy that eh?
Posted by on Feb 28, 2006 @ 07:11 PMPosted by Kathy C
Hi all,
I forgot in the above to respond to the Clonard Martyrs comment. I don’t know whether they have a flute band...I thought flute bands just came and played at the commerations....I really can’t comment on a band I don’t know anything about..but the name doesn’t show that it is a large area of Ireland.
My point about Sons of Ulster....if you say that...then it implies it includes all sons of ulster...but the sons of ulster is a protestant group...ergo a more appropriate name would be something like Orange sons’ of Ulster, or Protestant sons of Ulster....that is all I was saying....Posted by on Feb 28, 2006 @ 07:17 PM“These orangemen should not of been allowed in Dublin in the first place and as soon as all Northern prods are removed to britain the better” “
This is not the view of Southerners other than a miniscule but vicious minority.
Brian Boru
Posted by on Mar 01, 2006 @ 02:29 AM
