Friday, August 18, 2006
Right wing infiltration of Hibs?
The Ancient Order of Hibernians in Ireland and Scotland was at its height a largely self help organisation that held fairly modest parades. The British Welfare reforms of 1948 did away with it’s primary raison d’etre, providing help for the Catholic poor. Now, according to the anti-fascist Searchlight magazine, it is the victim of a campaign of infiltration from the Irish right, lead by former IRA man Gerry McGeogh.
Mick Fealty @ 08:41 PM
“The British Welfare reforms of 1948 did away with it’s primary raison d’etre, providing help for the Catholic poor.”
In 1948 and for a long time afterwards the republic (Free State) was like a third world country. How did the British Welfare reforms make such a difference there as to do away with the AOH’s primary raison d’etre?
Everybody didn’t get the boat to England.Posted by on Aug 18, 2006 @ 10:12 PMMick,
Great story. Although I wouldn’t worry about the AOH being taken over. However, I look forward to the explanations (should there be any) of how this person held numerous sernior positions in PSF
the socialist, anti-sectarian party.Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 12:15 AMMick, woo-ahh! The only group not mentioned in that link I think must be the Illuminati!
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 01:11 AMGonzo,
That’s because the Iluminati were the enemies of people like Gerry Mc Geogh. If of course they ever actually existed.
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 01:15 AMThis article from Searchlight was drawn to our attention yesterday by Will in Miss Fitz’s thread “Worst riots in a decade in Newry”. But it certainly is one that merits attention and no harm in seeing it highlighted in a stand-alone thread.
Annoying as these nasty little people are they really are swimming against the tide and are unlikely to attract any other than sad individuals like themselves who sign up more for psychological than for political reasons.
As Ireland grows increasingly more secular, more liberal and open on sexuality and grows ever fatter suckling on the European teat it seems a very foolish marketing ploy, to say the least, to launch a group that is pro-Church, pro-sexual repression and anti-Europe. What baubles will they flog on their stalls to raise funds I wonder - hula-hoops?
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 07:57 AMGaribaldy
National liberation takes precedence! :-)Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 09:11 AMLiberation from secularism and sodomy it seems
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 09:29 AMUnlike Adams and McGuinnes McGeogh was a soldier
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 09:33 AMGlen Taisie, Adams and McGuinness were soldiers. Soldiers of the Crown. Searchlight is looking for an easy, safe target and is trying to link the Provo IRA in with a legitimate Catholic outfit, and Youth Defence. They are trying to link anti abortionists with the pro abortionist bombers of PIRA. The wonder is PIRA/SF hung on to McGough for so long. Guess they needed someone to take the risks. Searchlight has no credibility. They need people like McGough to feed off.
There are several hundred impoverished Poles living on the streets of Ireland. Will Searchlight help them?
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 10:57 AMLinking anti-abortionists with pro-abortionists, Dougie? Neat trick if you can do it. Almost as good as Father Fahey labelling the Nazi Party as a Jewish conspiracy in the same camp as the Communist Party and… - I almost said the Vatican - but no this is right wing Catholicism so it must be - the Jews yet again.(So good he named them twice).
It surely is a question of “if you’re not with us you’re against us” with this lot.
Just so you don’t have to go to a lot of trouble figuring out where I fit in - I’m against. Quite apart from anything else, Fascists are just so mind-numbingly dull.
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 11:29 AMSearchlight need fascists. They feed off them the same way Joe McCarthy fed off Communists. Believing that sincere Catholics are fascists fits the agenda of Searchlight and others. Their simplisitc world views shatter on the rock of Irish politics, the same way globalisation and similar pro American nonsense is being shattered by the resistance fighters of South Lebanon and Iraq.
All conflicts are complex and labelling bit players as fascists especially in NI where real fascists have made such little headway is fodder only for fools. McGough is better off and so is Ireland with him invigourating the AOH. Better than have him with the narco FARCs of Sinn Fein.Searchlight and similar running dogs have it now that any utterances against the Global Order is anti Semitic, fascist and whatever. The pro Doivorce group kicked old ladies off O’Connell Street when the referendum took place. The referendum passed only because the weather was miserable in Donegal and nice in Dublin 4. Donegal and Tyrone Cathjolics who beleive i ntheir religion are labelled as fascists by people like Searchlight who would not help anyone unless they were paid for it. The sinecured opponents of Youth Defence and McGough are much nearer the fascist ideal than they are.
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 12:07 PMRight wing infiltration? Its already right wing.
And according to a AOH member (yesterday’s IN) SF have already taken control of it and nearly every other organisation in the country.
By AOH MEMBER, Co Antrim
THE recent imposition by Sinn Fein on the minds and property of the GAA seems to have startled quite a few people.
This should not be so – infiltration is the main game in Sinn Fein’s sporting and socialising calendar and has been for a dozen years or more.
No organisation with a nationalist hue has escaped their attention.
We have been handed down some great institutions by our forefathers.
Unfortunately many branches of these have now lost their total independence.
The GAA a is prime example: so too are the Ancient Order of Hibernians and The Irish National Foresters.
It is too late for some to regain their identities as they have simply become Sinn Fein clubs and halls.
It is to be regretted that fear to refuse the advances of Sinn Fein was the prime cause of many of our leading clubs loosing their cherished principles.
Being mainly rural groups, they should have spotted the cuckoo hovering around waiting its chance to take over the nest.
The offspring is now too big within to do anything about it.
But others only marginally infiltrated – or who have not yet yielded – should take a serious look at what they are handing down to the next generation.
Now that’s what I call paranoid and completely unsubstantiated (but you don’t need to present evidence in our world - speculation is readily
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 12:09 PMSearchlight need fascists
OK, Dougie, I agree with you there. So let’s all help build the conditions for a more equitable, tolerant, multi-cultural society where people are free to express their own human sexuality and to make free choices on issues so that fascism will never have the ground from which to breed and raise its ugly head.
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 01:37 PMNa speels it out, even with some exaggeration. Sinn Fein grow like a cancer and the political bigots of Searchlight zoom in on one non entity, who runs a micro paper. If Searhlight are so against IRA bombs, why not zoon in on Sinn Fein? They have many more ex bombers than do McGough’s micro team.
And Rory, it is legitimate to oppose butt fuckers. Plenty of fascists were fond of the tradesman’s entrance; the Nazis thrived on it, J Edgar Hoover was a queen and Sinn Fein have problems galore in this end. Margaret Thatcher was also fervently pro choice and she never missed a pro choice vote in all her years in the Commons. So, less of the right wing/left wing undergraduate nonsense. Leave Searchlight get off on that.
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 03:18 PMVery good, Dougie, carry on. I do hope you find where it is that you are going.
Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 07:41 PMIrish National Foresters ? Who or what are they ?
They sound like something from a Monty Python sketch.Come to think of it,so do Youth Defence.Posted by on Aug 19, 2006 @ 07:42 PMjerryp: Good post/question. I think these were Eddie McAteer/ Wee Joe Devlin strongholds back in the good old days. McGough thinks by taking ocer these dead, hollowed-out trees, he can replicate the post 1916 Sinn Fein takeover. But he lacks the yeast. So leave him get off on that and Searchlight get off on piking on the smallest kid in the schoolyard.
For anyone into this, the Celtic Wolves, an Irish neo Nazi group of about 4 members, are interesting. They have plans to take over RSF, who often figure as takeover targets in these far right rants. Talk about al ittle knowledge being a dangerous thing.
Posted by on Aug 20, 2006 @ 02:41 AMLets get one thing straight. The biggest lie from the Socialist left is that fascism is right-wing, it is not. Fascism is left-wing, ie Nazis were (are) left-wing - National Socialists. Left wingers are into bigger governments and corporate control of the population - the cornerstone of fascism. The far right is anarchist ie no big fascist / tyranical governments controlling and shaping our lives and conditioning our minds. Even Karl Marx didnt believe in the ideals of socialism, but embraced it as a way of destroying the political structure of western civilisation. Socialism leads to communism. Only problem is the left and right wings are part of the same phoney paradigm, basically, the left and right are controlled by the same forces, and is just another vehicle with which to polarise and control the masses.
Posted by on Aug 20, 2006 @ 06:44 AMThank you for that detailed analysis of Marxist theory in less than 200 words, P O’Neill. The Reduced Shakespeare Company couldn’t have done it better. Have you considered auditioning?
I sure hope that you are not in the military. A man who can’t tell his left from his right is bound to get a lot of grief from his drill-sergeant. “Hay foot, Straw foot!” Remember that.
Posted by on Aug 20, 2006 @ 08:13 AM“I sure hope that you are not in the military. A man who can’t tell his left from his right is bound to get a lot of grief from his drill-sergeant. “Hay foot, Straw foot!” Remember that”
Thanks for your barbed comments - I suggest that before you open your arse cheecks again, you go do some real research insted of regurgitating your percondioned Socialist BS. The Nazis and Neo-Nazis are NATIONAL SOCAILISTS (left wingers). The Socailist use such labels and outright lies to vilify the legitimate right wing.
Posted by on Aug 20, 2006 @ 08:38 AMIt appears that the majority of posters here seem to be Socialists - I take it that you all love Blair, since he too is a ragging little Socialist. Just take a look at what he and his governmental puppet masters have acheived, leading the country into numerous BS / phoney wars, increased control of the population via CCTV and proposed ID cards - all in response to ‘crises’ engineered by the State.... where I heard all this before?? Oh yeah NAZI Germany, 1934, just after the Nazi’s burned down the Reichstag…
Posted by on Aug 20, 2006 @ 09:13 AMAnyone else thought that this was going to be about Hibs footy team?
*sigh*
Well it had right wing in the title!
Posted by on Aug 20, 2006 @ 09:45 AMP O’Neil,
Your ignorance of what anarchism as a political philosophy is astounding. Same too with what the Marxist analysis of the nature of the state is.
As for this bit, “Even Karl Marx didnt believe in the ideals of socialism, but embraced it as a way of destroying the political structure of western civilisation.”, did you forget to include the bit about his religious background?Posted by on Aug 20, 2006 @ 09:47 AMAwwww, poor little Socialists cant see the jackboots for the trees.
Marx’s family were originally Jewish, but after moving to Germany his father was forced to give up his faith and become a Prod in order to gain employment. Marx’s little (decontextualised) rant about religion being the opium of the masses, was a direct attack at Protestantism (Calvanism) and not religion in general, although its often decontextualised to imply that. As for Marx himself,he was Luciferian (read Marx and Satanism).
Before you bang on about my lack of understanding of Marxist philosophy - I had to read that as part of my Oxford degree, so I am probably in a far superior position to comment on Marx than the rest of you ignorant, unwashed, masses.. Go back to picking turnips, its obviously what your best at.
Posted by on Aug 20, 2006 @ 10:00 AM“where people are free to express their own human sexuality”
Dont force your immorality on me or my nation, you liberal butt fucker.
Posted by on Aug 20, 2006 @ 10:04 AM
