Sunday, December 09, 2007
Quinn murder- SF worker named in police statements claim
The Sunday Indo is claiming that a person involved in the Paul Quinn murder was a SF worker at the time and has been named in statements to the police. It also claims that Quinn was on a list of 12 involved in ‘anti-social’ behaviour drawn up by the local IRA unit. SF continues to deny there was any republican involvement. Local SDLP MLA Dominic Bradley believes Conor Murphy may be in breach of the ministerial code over his behaviour.
Fair Deal @ 12:08 PM
Interesting that he was a SF worker at the time. Did he subsequently resign or was he ‘pushed’?
‘No republican involement’,wink wink, nod nod.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 04:27 PMOver to Gerry
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 04:39 PMHow long will Sinn Féin mainain this lie that it was just ordinary decent criminals who battered Paul Quinn to death with all the brutality and precision of, well, the IRA?
The momentum is gathering.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 04:40 PMNot one of the two who allegedly fled to England?
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 04:48 PMwhat? there is only one sf election worker involved??. more work to do Indo!!
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 04:56 PMOver to DUP what are you going to do.
Your silence is deafening!Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 05:05 PM‘How long will Sinn Féin mainain this lie that it was just ordinary decent criminals who battered Paul Quinn to death with all the brutality and precision of, well, the IRA?
The momentum is gathering.
Posted by El Matador on Dec 09, 2007 @ 04:40 PM’
Not sure about the momentum El Mat. Apart from a few journalists; the media, local parties and the 2 governments appear pretty content to let these murders slide.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 05:10 PMIts quite plain that the DUP/Sinn Fein/ira will ensure a the cover up is adequate enough to maintain the Assembley.
However the DUP will need to ensure that any future ira murders are deemed to be ‘not santioned at the top’.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 05:37 PMAgh-
Watch this space.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 06:09 PMulsterfan,
I think we have a fair idea what the DUP are going to do. They will, I suggest, do very little. There may be a bit of huffing and puffing but they will stick to the position of not being certain whether or not the IRA was corporately involved or the crime centrally ordered. Of course everyone else seems pretty convinced the IRA committed this murder in an entirely “corporate” fashion apart from them and of course one or two others.
If that position becomes completely indefensible, if as El Matador, suggests the momentum gathers enough to be unstoppable (I share ahg’s doubts but it may happen) then I suggest Conor Murphy will be sacrificed and so the process will be allowed to continue.
The way Murphy is being left if not exposed, then slightly to the side could allow the SF to give and the DUP to proclaim their “pound of flesh” without the whole thing falling apart.
In this strategy they seem to be being helped by the two governments especially Mr. Woodward. I suspect the IMC will continue to play the part of the Delphic oracle and so the whole charade can continue. As I have said before it is scarcely believable that the DUP are now less concerned about IRA criminality than South Armagh republicans.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 06:19 PM“We have met the enemy and he is us” Would be the truthful SF response.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 06:19 PMhaven;t seen u about fair deal? u back on slugger?
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 06:31 PMOf course everyone else seems pretty convinced the IRA committed this murder in an entirely “corporate” fashion apart from them and of course one or two others.
Nope, I don’t buy it. Would the IRA/SF take all the risks associated with joining the police boards and supporting policing, and then mess it up by doing this ?
Throwing a party out of the executive when they have no direct tie to this murder would be a nonsense.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 06:41 PMLeaving aside for a minute, if you can, who was involved in this murder, for any man to ask another to serve a life sentence on their behalf is a very dangerous game indeed. Firstly it is just not on when common criminality is involved, no man should be told to do that.
If this story is true and the men in question disagree about taking the rap, what alternative do they have? One only I would suggest and that is to flip over and tout on those who did the dirty deed. Even if they were involved their thinking might go why should I be the patsy when others are prepared to put me in it.
Beyond there own arrogance and stupidity [remind you of anyone] the Kray brothers in London were brought down by thinking they could order other men to do there time for them.
these people descided no and turned queens evidence.Funny that these guys should choose to go to England? I bet a lot of beds are not being slept in tonight, are we about to see time called on the S Armagh brigade?
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 07:02 PMCS-
“Would the IRA/SF take all the risks associated with joining the police boards and supporting policing, and then mess it up by doing this ?”
Unfortunately once a beast is created, it can become difficult to control. No doubt the provisional movement has done a pretty good job at keeping its troops in line, but when people who are used to getting their way start to lose their iron grip on areas, a violent reaction is often too much to resist. This wasn’t an isolated incident- beatings take place all the time. However, this one was particularly vicious and the outcome of it we all know.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 07:13 PMComrade Stalin,
I doubt SF wanted this to happen; I doubt the SF leadership in Belfast were consulted beforehand. The point is that the South Armagh IRA decided this would happen. It seems extremely unlikely; indeed, practically impossible that the IRA leadership in the area did not sanction this murder. SF’s behaviour here has also been extremely surprising if by some chance the IRA were uninvolved.
The fact that the IRA and SF are inextricably linked is illustrated by this case. If they were not why the SF campaign against the deceased and the support group?
The IRA in South Armagh may have calculated that this episode would be brushed aside after a few weeks (as it still may be). They may not care that much because their calculation may have been that neither the DUP nor the governments nor anyone else would bring the process down over it. I suspect that their calculation is correct and from entirely innocent motives I suggest that you are helping them in that aim.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 07:34 PMCS,
Sorry, that is a bit too sharp but I really think you are being naive to the point of stupidity to try to say the IRA was not involved at a very senior level.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 07:38 PMI am totally disgusted to the lengths posters and administrators to go in order to implicate SF/PIRA in this terrible Quinn murder.
Now some unnamed source states that “a Sinn Fein worker” was involved in the brutal munder in which, it seems, 15 killers were involved.
Just what the hell is “a Sinn Fein worker”? Was he the guy who cleaned out the toilets of some SF party office? Did he belong to the party? If so, what did he actually do for it?
And is there any chance that he will be indicted for the crime, and convicted?
And what about the other 14 killers? Did they belong to SF too or to the UVF? Or some other Unionist or British organization? And did one of them recruit this guy to stick their brutal murder on SF/PIRA?
And if none of the above are also involved, who is? Are the Masons? Or your Aunt Minnie?
This whole murder has been reduced to scum-bag speculation of the most self-serving order.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 07:48 PMagh
Apologies for the lack of service of late. I have been on work and domestic overload the past few weeks/months (and will be for a few weeks more) and simply haven’t had the time either to put up threads or contribute much to comment sections.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 07:49 PMTHF-
“I am totally disgusted to the lengths posters and administrators to go in order to implicate SF/PIRA in this terrible Quinn murder.”
On the other hand, I’m actually disgusted by the murder itself. It’s funny how we all have different priorities.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 08:25 PMTrowbridge,
I am not from South Armagh. I am aware, however, that little happens there of this nature without the IRA’s say so. By all means do not believe me. However,the following have said there was IRA involvement: the family, various local people, the support group, it appears the PSNI and Gardai though they have had a low profile of late, the IMC and indeed innumerable people on this web site, except of course you and Chris Gaskin.
Indeed the few organisations which is trying to deny IRA involvement are the British government, DUP and of course SF themselves.
I am sure Trowbridge you will have some outlandish theory but having never been to Northern Ireland and having previously explained how British intelligence murdered the Swedish Prime Minister maybe you should stick to area 51 and blood drinking shape shifting lizard aliens.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 08:26 PMEl Matador
The beast of murder, money and republicanism has been there since the 1970s. The beast effectively controls the movement, that’s why the party cannot condemn and separate.
Where are the chipmunks tonight with their chant - ‘we have a mandate and there is no voter intimidation’? Maybe they’re chirping in Bulgaria for their heros!
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 08:49 PMJust your expected crap, Turgon.
I am just trying to get posters like you from playing the role of vigilantes, especially given the inducements you get from the hacks in the British press.
If SF/PIRA carried out this brutal murder, I hope they get everything thrown at them that the law allows, though I have seen too many false trails in the past to scapegoat them, starting with the St. Patrick’s Day raid on the RUC headquarters, to expect any positive result this time.
And my getting involved in Hayward’s apparent role in the assassination of Sweden’s statsminister Palme started right here in Stockholm where it happened, and where I have lived for the past 11 years and been investigating the conspiracy ever since.
You are not suggesting, are you, that one has to have been with the very assassins to have any credibility in investigating their dirty work?
And the only reason why I have never been in N. I. is becuase its paranoid securocrats would not let me and my wife in when we came up from Dublin without the papers we were required to have, and had not been informed of.
Sounds like a good place to miss.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 08:50 PMTHF-
“And the only reason why I have never been in N. I. is becuase its paranoid securocrats would not let me and my wife in when we came up from Dublin without the papers we were required to have, and had not been informed of.”
Sounds like someone was doing a good job.
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 09:01 PMpoor auld connor murphy he put a suite on and now he thinks he is a legitimate politician.he is sucked into the brits way of doin biz .what he was crying about for years he and his cronies r now doin on their own folk.he mite say quinn isent one of his opwn but neither in the paisley crew and he is stuck that far up paisley i dont know if he is a man r a dog
Posted by on Dec 09, 2007 @ 09:05 PM
