Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Purge of ‘The Foreigners’ continues unabated in South Belfast
BBC Newsline is reporting tonight that more than 100 Romanians have fled their homes in south Belfast following yet another series of racist attacks in the area (earlier attacks were reported here and here on Slugger.) One family home had been attacked five times in the past eight months and twice in the previous 24 hours. A public rally organised last night, in the aftermath of a number of attacks on homes occupied by Romanians, was attacked by a gang of local youths chanting racist slogans. Update: The 115 Romanians have been put up for the night in a church in the city, with a five-day old child amongst their number.
Chris Donnelly @ 07:01 PM
Roma is not synonymous with Romanian and has nothing to do with Irish travellers.
Posted by on Jun 16, 2009 @ 10:28 PMWell said Comrade
Posted by on Jun 16, 2009 @ 10:34 PMANYONE who drives a person out of their home because they are Catholic/Protestant/Ethnic is a hateful evil bastard who needs to be exposed and confronted. I don’t give a flying f**k where it is and YES Driftwood I concede it is NOT just confined to ‘Loyalist’ areas but MOST of it is! WHY IS THAT? IF the UDA is not involved, as the PSNI & Loyalists state, DOES that not challenge the authority of Brigadier Jackie and his henchmen? We all know that senior Loyalists DON’T like ANYONE to challenge their TOTAL authority in their areas so please let’s be realistic about this. The UDA & UVF know who’s doing it if they are not already giving the orders. Don’t insult our intelligence!
Posted by on Jun 16, 2009 @ 10:43 PMWhere is the local MP and MLAs?
A PSNI inspestor shows how serious they are-shhh,play it down-
where are his superior officers?
Where is the community leadership going to come from if the afore mentioned are absent- putting out a press release is not enough,FFS earn your money .Posted by on Jun 16, 2009 @ 10:57 PM“The UK and Irish governments could easily have adopted tougher immigration policies with regards Romania but chose not to.”
Actually, the UK government did impose limits on the amount of Romanians that it was prepared to accept. It especially did not want low skilled migrants so it limited the amount to 20,000 from Romania and Bulgaria. The criminally stupid “open door” policy came in 2004, whereas Romania joined the EU in 2007. The UK government predicted that 15,000 migrants would enter the UK from the 10 eastern bloc countries that joined the EU in 2004 but in fact 600,000 of them poured into the UK in the first 2 years. Why did the UK government get the estimate so badly wrong? It didn’t. It simply lied to the UK people in order to allay fears about the Treaty of Accession. However, while governments were permitted by the EU to impose quotas, those quotas were required to be time limited and after expiry that they were not allowed to have any sovereignty over immigration controls from foreign countries within the EU. In the case of the UK and Romania, the UK no longer has any sovereignty over the issue from 2011.
Incidentally, Romanian designates a nationality, not a race, so racism doesn’t come into it. Foreign nationals were the target of the attacks, so it seems more political than racist. Are migrant workers of any value to your economy? Probably not, but that is not any issue that British people will have any sovereignty over so they need not concern themselves with that issue. Migrants - being transient - are not even useful to NI in the way that immigrants are (who tend to be loyal to the status quo). According to The Times, “Official figures have shown that immigrants have taken four out of every five new jobs in Britain since 1997.” With migrants taking 80% of all new jobs created in the UK, British people have a legitimate right to be annoyed about beings discriminated against in their own country. If that is what is behind this attack on migrants (just a wild guess), then that is a pity as it gives the left/liberal muppets a stage to jump up and censor political debate about the merits of uncontrolled immigration by tarring those who argue differently than said muppets as fascists/racists with the same brush as the thugs who attacked the Romanians.
Posted by on Jun 16, 2009 @ 11:18 PMWhen you hear the PSNI utter the immortal words, “these attacks are not orchestrated”, you can bet this is simply code for: “these attacks have been orchestrated by loyalist paramilitaries but we have to maintain our unofficial policy of appeasing loyalist terror, therefore we must remain aloof and thoroughly incompetent”.
The cops have been a shower of shite throughout this entire shameful episode. 3 properties in 3 streets just a few hundred yards between them and they’re unable to prevent what amounts to ethnic cleansing.
You could SEE the dodgy geezer types on their mobiles at the junction of Wellesley and Lisburn Rd tonight with their little stooges on bikes running around. They won’t get their hands dirty they’ll just get these wee scumbags to do the dirty work.
Posted by on Jun 16, 2009 @ 11:23 PMI don’t think this has anything to do with loyalists, lurig - stop screaming about it. Two main points in support of that opinion:
(1) That is a mixed and mostly student area NOT loyalist area
(2) Wee hoods from the village have been plaguing the student population in that area from time immemorial because they are bored wee hoods - no organization required.
Posted by on Jun 16, 2009 @ 11:24 PMMs Wiz,good post-this is the sort of utter shite that they used to say about Larne.Politicians need to hold them to account,roll their F***ing sleeves up and do what they get paid to do.
Posted by on Jun 16, 2009 @ 11:35 PM1) Unionist/Protestant = endemic racism & bigotry
2) Roma = thieves
Spot the difference
Let’s fight racism with more racism!
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 12:59 AMHere’s a wee experiment, put 115 Roma gypsies in Creggan or the Brandywell.
Then we get to judge which is the more tolerant society in Northern Ireland.
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 01:34 AMThe irony of the send them home attitude amongst the planters is not lost on me.
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 04:59 AM‘Here’s a wee experiment, put 115 Roma gypsies in Creggan or the Brandywell.
Then we get to judge which is the more tolerant society in Northern Ireland.’
Actually why not try South Belfast where the current trouble is. There is a vibrant Chinese community in the Markets area of Belfast which has integrated well into the indigenous community. There is no history of attacks on or animosity towards Chinese residents. Compare that to the regular and sustained attacks on people of Chinese nationality living in fear just a few hundred yards away in Donegall Pass.
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 05:29 AMYoung protestants are failing at education, they can’t get jobs, they’re totally forgotten about. It’s time the main parties did something about it.
No, it’s time those same young Protestants pulled the finger out, stopped crying to Mammy State to sort their lives out for them and did something productive with their lives if they want it so badly.
Because I don’t want the kind of deprivation and backwardness endemic to Roma people imported from eastern Europe.
In the shining pinnacle of economically and socially thriving, vibrant, peaceful, progressive life of The Village? Northern Ireland in general? You’re only kidding yourself.
With migrants taking 80% of all new jobs created in the UK, British people have a legitimate right to be annoyed about beings discriminated against in their own country.
No, they really don’t have any such right. If anyone wants a job then they have to compete with everyone else on quality and pay instead of expecting locality to hand the jobs to their fucking lazy, incompetent arses on a plate.
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 05:41 AMI get the impression that some commenters are happy to link racist crime with illegal immigration.
There is no evidence that the two are linked in this instance, so lets keep it separate.
I agree with those who are criticising the Police. The problem is at a very high level of seriousness. We need to hear from very senior police officers about how they intend to address the problem. Perhaps we could also hear from the Minister for Northern Ireland.
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 06:21 AM“Hey Billy, do you fancy a wee trip to Romania next”?
“No bofer Andy, I’ll terrorise a few gypsies and that should sort the funding” !
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 07:24 AMAnytime I’ve been in a meeting with the police I hear the same kind of thing that Danny O’Connor mentioned a few weeks ago. They’ll give you a long list of reasons about why they can’t do anything and how sad it is that they don’t have the resources.
I suspect that this is a combination of the politically-inspired neutering of the police’s capability to deal with lawbreakers, which is specific to Northern Ireland, and a general policy of trying to rehabilitate anti-social behaviour (of which this is a particularly extreme form) in ways that don’t involve harsh sentencing.
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 07:25 AMA few self-evident truths folks:-
1. Working (sic)-class loyalists (sic) tend (in the main) to be vile, ignorant, racist, sectarian scum.
2. Working (sic)-class republicans tend (in the main) to be vile, ignorant, sectarian scum who are substantially less outwardly racist then their ‘loyalist’ counterparts (though no doubt harbouring all manner of toxic attitudes to ‘foreigners’ etc.)
3. The PSNI have become the most hidebound, pen-pushing, namby-pamby police ‘force’ in Western Europe.
4. The local media’s coverage of this incident has been utterly, utterly outrageous. Some reprehensible cunt filed the main on-line report on the BBC website linking this outrageous pogrom “to racial tensions in the area following trouble connected with a recent Northern Ireland v Poland football match”.
5. Loyalism and racism are ‘inextricably linked’. Witness our current fuck-witted Health Minister and his unforgivable “Sandy Row is Sandy Row” antics.
6. People who make points 1. and 5. above are not ‘anti-protestant’ or ‘pro-republican’ (I am decidedly neither). They are simply stating the howlingly obvious.
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 07:28 AM“politically-inspired neutering of the police’s capability to deal with lawbreakers”
The law is basically the same, so how do the rules of engagement differ for police in NI from that in the rest of the UK?
To my knowledge they don’t
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 07:36 AMA couple of idiot kids with bricks and too much spare time on their hands does not make a Racist attack.
Nonetheless this is much an immigration problem as anything else, The entire Romany population insisted on planting itself in Western Europe including Belfast after the expansion of the EU and after the NICE treaty was rejected, they came without invitation or need. Does that justify attacks on them? Certainly not, but it’s the failure of the system with finite resources seeing it being stretched by uninvited guests and the real or perceived perception of Romanies as being somewhat outside of a cohesive society.
We know of their aggressive begging, ATM distraction scams. Its an open secret that at the Car washes they work at one can receive sexual acts from a female if some money is left on the dashboard, verified or not, they seem to act and live outside the pale of the society in which they have supplanted themselves.
I witnessed an elderly lady being harassed by four Romany women to hand over money in Belfast city centre. I had to Physically take the old woman away from them. They just laughed at me in a derisory manner.
I contacted my MLA and Joint ministers, their response was to quote legislation to me and the usual non aligned opinion so as they would not sound racist. To talk about the negatives of immigration is political suicide its an issue they refuse to tackle.
The attacks were wrong and unacceptable but sometimes it’s the only way that some people can express themselves when they are powerless and disadvantaged by the political system and political elites, isn’t that’s what happened during 30 years of the Troubles? In other words its ok to Kick a bunch of uninvited Foriegners out (The British) but not this new group?Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 07:39 AMFFS Fellow human beings…and all the petty war of words going on here…
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 07:47 AMSwerve,
“1) Unionist/Protestant = endemic racism & bigotry
“2) Roma = thieves”
Perhaps add “ignorance” to 1. The attackers are clearly confusing “Romanian” with “Romanist”, and doing what they’ve been doing for a long, long time.
BTW there’s a rather large grey beast in my living-room, with tusks and a very long snout. Anyone know what it is?
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 07:55 AM“A couple of idiot kids with bricks and too much spare time on their hands does not make a Racist attack.”
er, actually it does. Its an attack ie bricks are a clue here, and it appears to be racially motivated, ergo racist attack.
To my knowledge these people are not insistant on annexing part of Ireland, insisting on a Romanian Police force and a Romanian state for a Romanian people, nor have they indulged in any Pogroms or indeed discriminated against anyone in employment. Neither have they wanted to overthrow the state or refused to recognise it
The scrambling around for excuses or petty reasons to justify these attacks are fairly sad.
Is not that long ago that certain politicans waxed lyrical about the joys of living in a multi-cultural society, where are they now?
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 07:56 AMSide by side
We stand like brothers
One for all and all together
We will stay united through darker days
And we’ll be unbeatable foreverUlster, Ulster
Together standing tall
Shoulder to shoulder
We’ll answer Ulster’s call!Come the day and come the hour
Some will live in song and story
We were born to follow our guiding star
And to beat our destiny with gloryUlster, Ulster
Together standing tall
Shoulder to shoulder
We’ll answer Ulster’s call!Hearts of steel and heads are bowing
Vowing never to be broken
We will fight, until we can fight no more
Till our final requiem is spokenUlster, Ulster
Together standing tall
Shoulder to shoulder
We’ll answer Ulster’s call!Ulster, Ulster
Together standing tall
Shoulder to shoulder
We’ll answer Ulster’s call!
We’ll answer Ulster’s call!(but only after an extra long tea break)
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 08:02 AMWith migrants taking 80% of all new jobs created in the UK, British people have a legitimate right to be annoyed about beings discriminated against in their own country.
Maybe British people ought to ask themselves why employers consider migrants, many of whom presumably don’t speak English to any high standard, more suitable candiates than their British counterparts.
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 08:17 AMThe Limerick pogrom had Limerick criticised on this site. This occured when Ireland was under British control. The attack on the Romanians occurs in a part of Ireland under British control. Spot the similarities?
Posted by on Jun 17, 2009 @ 08:24 AM
