Thursday, June 19, 2008
On the myth of Irish ingratitude….
Richard picks up the Chad post noting that Saturday was the day that Irish NO voters took a mild kicking from some Europe’s political and media elite:
Irish troops serving in an EU command came under fire on Saturday. The very day Irish voters were being described as, at best, useful idiots for unpleasant No campaigners in newspapers across Europe and in Ireland.
That would include French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner and Germany’s Frank-Walter Steinmeier…
Mick Fealty @ 11:43 AM
There is a particularly nasty comment by the French President Nicolas Sarkozy, proffering the ‘ingrates’ line and insulting the intelligence of the Irish people:
“They are bloody fools,” he told aides, according to le Canard Enchaîné weekly. “They have been stuffing their faces at Europe’s expense for years and now they dump us in the shit.”
Apparently, this clown is demanding that Brian Cowen “make the Irish vote again, if possible even before European Parliament elections next June.”
I’d like to see Biffo try that stunt and see where it gets him.
Ingratitude means a No vote, so gratitude means a Yes vote. Clearly, these blackguards assumed that they had successfully corrupted the democratic process by bribing the Irish people to support their federal aims. They discovered that Ireland’s national sovereignty is not for sale and they don’t like it one bit. Too bad.
More revealingly, the clown also shows equal contempt for the democratic wishes of the French people, admitting that the French people would also reject the Lisbon Treaty if they were actually given an opportunity to vote on a document that alters their fundamental constitutional, political and civil rights:
Mr Sarkozy says privately that he believes that French voters, had they been asked, would have rejected the Lisbon treaty even more resoundingly than they did the constitution.
Again, it begs the question, why do people want to place the powers of their democracy under the control of Euro-Federalists who have blatant distain for the democratic will of the people? This is like putting paedophiles in change of a kindergarten.
In regard to the insult to the Irish nation, I wonder if Biffo will call the French ambassador in to apologise or will he continue to act like the spineless backwoodsman that he has revealed himself to be?
Posted by on Jun 20, 2008 @ 03:17 AMSarkozy has been “kozying up” to the US as much as anyone in the NO campaign - including rejoining the NATO Command Structure.
Posted by on Jun 20, 2008 @ 02:01 PMWhen the people of Ireland voted NO did they think of consequences which might follow and what is plan B.
Ireland has put a stop to the treaty of Lisbon and further progress to be made.
Things will not be the same again. The forces which brought about Lisbon are still relevant and so it is back to the negotiating table ( this is the best Ireland can hope).
The worst case scenario is that the others will go on ahead and leave Ireland out of the loop waiting for her to catch up with the rest of Europe.
If it is back to the drawing board do you think Ireland can get a better deal. I don’t think so .
The best hope is to get other countries to follow suit. So much for sovereignty when you have to rely on others.
Sovereignty as we understood it 50 years ago no longer exists and those trying to stand by that definition are whistling in the wind.Posted by on Jun 20, 2008 @ 07:00 PMUF
Surely you meant whistling in the dark whilst pissing into the wind.
Posted by on Jun 20, 2008 @ 07:19 PMJOE
NO. Have just made up a new saying!
The other version is too rude.Posted by on Jun 20, 2008 @ 09:51 PMSo this is european democracy,
‘you may have a referendum so long as you vote the way we want.’
Rather like Henry Ford’s quip about the colour of his cars. If the process of ratification was going to be ignored, why go through the motions. I would have more respect for the Eurofatcats if they at least had the balls to try and say ‘this is it, no vote.’
Cowen is no Biffo, a real Biffo would support the wishes of his people, not run to Brussles cap in hand tugging the forelock !Posted by on Jun 20, 2008 @ 10:47 PM‘Meeting in Brussels, European Union leaders signaled their intent to prevent a two-tiered union by ensuring that all 27 member states ratify the treaty.’
Irish revote likely on EU treaty
“It’s not being said specifically yet, but it is quite clear that the other countries, especially Germany and France, want the Irish to vote again,” says Simon O’Connor, editor of E!Sharp, a Brussels-based magazine on European Union affairs.
Down croppie...lie down.
Posted by on Jun 21, 2008 @ 03:11 AMThis is what Wikipedia says in it definition of ‘croppy’:
The name “croppy” derives from Ireland in the 1790’s as a reference to people with closely cropped hair, a fashion which was associated with the anti-wig (and therefore, anti-aristocrat) French revolutionaries of the period. Those with their hair cropped were automatically suspected of sympathies with the pro-French underground organisation, the Society of United Irishmen and were consequently liable to seizure for interrogation by pro-British forces.
I’d suggest that if you want a persecution complex over this issue, you’ll need to grow a new one!
Posted by on Jun 21, 2008 @ 03:44 AMWasn’t it Wiki which stated that Kevin Myers was a british agent?
Don’t take things so literal Mick me ‘aul flower !
Posted by on Jun 21, 2008 @ 09:24 AMwhy can’t we have a multispeed Europe
we have a Eurozone that does not include all EU countries
we have a Schengen Agreement that does not include all EU countries
Britain and the rest can go ahead with a ‘Lisbon area’ and Ireland can either join piecemeal (sp?) or in a single step later
Posted by on Jun 21, 2008 @ 11:04 AM
