Thursday, November 08, 2007
Off-duty police officer shot in Londonderry
The BBC report that an off-duty police officer has been shot with a shotgun leaving his child to school in Londonderry - Lumen Christi Grammar School according the report here. Security sources [and the deputy First Minister - Ed] are blaming “dissident republicans”. According to the reports - “A car believed to have been used in the attack was found burned-out in the Creggan area of the city at 0900 GMT.” The officer’s injuries are not believed to be life-threatening. Adds From the RTÉ report
East Derry DUP MP Gregory Campbell said the shooting had all the hallmarks of an attack by dissidents. Condemning the attack, he said ‘if it was wrong to shoot a policeman 10 years ago, then it is wrong today. There needs to be absolute condemnation of this shooting as well as total support for the police throughout the entire community’.
Pete Baker @ 10:51 AM
Bonar Law’s and snakebrain’s comments are of course completely correct. This attack would have have required significant planning. The terrorists would have had to know what car the policeman drove, when he left the child to school etc.
The use of a shotgun was also obviously a good idea from the point of view of the terrorists as it would be impossible to trace and would have a high chance of killing the intended victim.
Shotguns comments about going up against police officers are the sort of offensive nonsense one expects from cheerleaders. The terrorists were not “going up against” anyone. They were ambushing a man leaving his child to school. That is not some sort of heoric act. It is an attempted murder and a strategy frequently used by terrorists in Northern Ireland. Thankfully they failed on this occassion.
Posted by on Nov 08, 2007 @ 10:09 PMIs the Martin McGuinness who condemned today’s attack related to the Martin McGuinness who said he would never end armed struggle until the British government left Ireland? So war is OK until Martin McGuinness decides it is not OK eh? Must be a very important man indeed.
Either you believe in continuing resistance to British rule or you take British money and manage it. McGuinness has taken the latter route and that’s his choice, but it’s insufferable to hear him condemn others for doing what his organisation did for 30 years. For years the Provos condemned Sticks, WP, DL, FF, and other ‘quislings’ for having sold out...pots,kettlesPosted by on Nov 08, 2007 @ 11:01 PMPlease remove the post above. It’s a disgrace.
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 08:47 AMSorry to burst your bubble oh yeah, but most people in Derry arent asking that question. Only some people with warped minds, that think shooting ANYONE outside a school, as they leave their wains off, will bring a United Ireland are asking that question.
Gone crawl back into 1974.
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 09:38 AM‘Oh yeah’ who do you vote for?
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 09:52 AMhe wasnt shot outside a school. go to bishop st and have a look.
Posted by oh yeah on Nov 09, 2007 @ 09:48 AM
Alright he was shot up a bit from Harry Grants shop. 50 Yards away from a primary School and 100 Yards away from a primary and Secondary school. That makes it so much better. Good job no one in Bishop Street walks to Nazareth house/Lumen Christi/Long Tower.
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 10:07 AMThe flat earthers responsible for this cowardly attack have no future.
They’re beat - and what we’re seeing are the desperados hissy fitting in the knowledge that their day has pssed them by.
No support worth talking about.
No plan.
No future.
Beat.
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 10:10 AMSo then oh yeah, besides me obviously not noing bishop street, enlighten me on how killing that police officer would have brought about or furthered the cause for a united 32 counties?
What changes would this have made to the political goals of republicanism?
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 10:17 AMhow killing that police officer would have brought about or furthered the cause for a united 32 counties
of course your right.
how does irish republicans killing people in
the 1798 rising
the 1803 rising
the 1867 rising
1916
1919-21
1940s
1957-60
1969-1994are any of these deaths in these years justified in the struggle for a united 32 county republic.??
by your logic person from derry they are not.
the only differnce is that these dead people are safely in past. not happening in a steet beside you .
but the irony is that all nationalist parties have honored commemorated theses “murderers”.
fianna Fail
Fine gael
sinn feinand horror of horrors the SDLP.
they all fawn over the 1916 leaders. but did they not KILL people in the cause of the Republic. ??
the psni are still upholding british law in ireland, no matter if martin’s pary has reconciled themselves to that fact or not.
history has shown that these groups that attck the british in this counrty are in their day
small in number
lack popular support
kill peoplebut given time the nationalist establishment will out singing thier praises.
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 10:37 AMOf course this attack has hastened the day of the unification of the country. We only have to cast our minds back to the most recent elections, when every dissident republican in Derry rallied behind Peggy O’Hara and swept the boards, putting the Shinners, the Stoops and everyone else in their electoral place.
Now, that electoral victory has been placed within its correct political - military context. Must be only days away from victory, eh?
Or else this was another piece of crap from an organisation that has covered itself in glory, and once again putting the needs of the community before their own strange worldview. Like in the week the PSNI, with community support, respond quickly to an alleged rape, our heroes response is to shoot a PSNI man. Coincidence?
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 10:49 AMharry,
You are correct in that given time, the ‘dissidents’ will be regarded as Nationalist Heroes. What you have neglected is that between the dates listed above there was no support for a rebellion. Now people are tired of killings and bombings, they are war weary. And by shooting a well known and well liked guy the dissidents are not gaining support. You dont have to shoot the cops to show you dont like them.
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 10:54 AMA Person from Derry
Which dates do you mean? Armed struggle has never, ever had mass support throughout Ireland, but Harry’s post is correct. McGuinness stands on the steps of Stormont condemning the shooting of a cop, but a couple of days earlier carries the coffin of a guy who would have gladly killed every cop/soldier in Ardoyne in his day. Republicans cannot pick and choose the dates/eras when killing people is OK. You either support the idea as a necessary form of brutality within an anti-colonial war or you don’t support it ever - historically or now - and Harry is therefore correct. FF, SF etc all supported it in their day, so their credibility in condemning it now - when the British haven’t relinquished their sovereign claim - is zero.
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 11:22 AMthere wasnt really suppport for rebellion, even when the rebellions were occuring. the people of dublin spat at the rebels at they where paraded through the streets
as for war weary. I think people were always war weary. who the hells wants to see young people, or just people, being done to death in our streets.
it strikes be as ironic that chuckle maguinness can come and condemn this shooting. his associates were at this carry on for years and years. lack of support or the horror of ordinary didnt dissuade the RA.
the shinners had no electoral support when the blew the crap out of derry and other towns in 70s
the shinners had no electoral support when the killed in claudy.
the vast majority of nationalist voted sdlp and against the likes of actions that martin explained away.
what then is the differnce between the provos of yesteryear and today C or R IRA ???
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 11:23 AMPosted by oh yeah on Nov 09, 2007 @ 09:19 AM
>how is it a disgrace briso. its a perfectly reasonable post. thats what people in derry are
>asking.Oh yeah? I think they’re asking different questions. Maybe it’s the company you keep.
http://www.derryjournal.com/journal/39Bloody-disgrace39--parents-worry.3460316.jp
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 11:24 AMOh Yeah, you probably associate with the very scum that carried out this attack. I bet you were rubbing your hands with glee whenever Dennis Bradley was assualted infront if his son in that Brandywell bar. And do you have a quiet chuckle to yourself each time some brainless drunk twat decides to petrol-bomb the home of Pat Ramsey?
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 11:56 AMSo given that would you condemn the attacks on Dennis and Pat?
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 12:27 PMoh yeah,
not being from derry myself, i not understand the references to jm doherty.
whats thats all about?
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 12:57 PMoh shit,
doherty is the cop’s name
doh!!Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 01:03 PMoh yeah, I’m fascinated with your agreement with Pat Doherty but whats that got to do with the price of butter.
Was the attack on Dennis right or wrong? Were the attacks on Pat’s home right or wrong? Was the attack on Jim right or wrong?
Because if Jim took 40 pieces of silver, commonly viewed as an attack of betrayal, then surely the only difference between him and your 2 muckers is that your mates got a hell of a lot more than 40 pieces.
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 01:18 PMHow is this comment garbage?
It didn’t even require a photograph from the IRA for the DUP to jump into bed with their SF axis. If the IRA are now the good guys then fair enough the dissident Republicans (sic) are alone but who believes that? The trolls are the DUP lundies who are now backtracking and saying it’s ok to be in partnership with IRA/SF but it wasn’t ok for the UUP/SDLP (I support none of the above).==========================================
“In the last Assembly this would be enough for the DUP to bring out all of its supporters in demanding that the institution was Anti-Christ etc. Now look at what they are doing! The DUP are the greatest traiters to Orangism and all the good that it stands for.”What utter garbage.
Another troll, methinks.Posted by The Penguin on Nov 08, 2007 @ 11:33 AM
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 01:35 PMWhere are these areas? Last time i looked the Real’s political representative got a few hundred votes in the area where all these events took place and was eliminated very early in the race for a council seat. And last time out every member of the boys of the grudge brigade got less than 1800 in the entire city.
I don’t mind you making a fool of yourself, but you can hardly claim for whole areas that clearly don’t share your views.
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 01:36 PMOh Yeah, are you incapable of answering a simple question?
Should these attacks have happened or should they not have happened?
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 01:40 PMhow may votes did psf get in 70s when they were blowing the crap of northern towns
they showed their respect for electoral politics when they shot a female electoral office worker.
so the psf/ira has already demonstrated that votes are not nescessary to wage a war.
they didnt apply that standard to themselves, so why the hell are they leveling it off others now
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 02:27 PMGuys,
Stop letting oh yeah wind you all up.
Troll, troll, troll....
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 05:27 PMYour perception of very civilised and mine obviously differ by quite a bit.
Posted by on Nov 09, 2007 @ 06:00 PM
