Thursday, March 13, 2008
Normalisation and the politics of protest
Garibaldy in the comments on this thread noted how the politics of protest are not in the interests of the Stormont parties wedded firmly to political office. Though it isnt completely off the Irish agenda as the recent protest against a proposed English royal visit shows. (discussed on RTEs Seoige and OShea below)
With normalisation of British influence in the 6 counties so progressed that a visit by Elizabeth Windsor can be announced in advance for the first time in 50 years, street protest refuses to go away as éirígí will be on the streets of Armagh to voice opposition on Holy Thursday (March 20).
Mark McGregor @ 09:37 AM
Irony is not your strong point!
Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 01:24 AMirony is not your strong point
Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 01:29 AM*but I myself care little for titles no matter what they are and no matter who they are bestowed upon.*
Is that a universal dislike or only with regard to British titles ctb? Would you address the president of Ireland as “Mary”, former president Clinton as “Billy Jeff”, your local parish priest as “Mister” or the consultant surgeon about to perform your triple bypass surgery as “Hi, you”?
As joe says above courtesy really costs nothing, being an oaf merely demeans oneself.
Rory would prove himself be the man of style that I have always thought him to be if he did indeed take HM’s dainty hand with a slight bow as he showed her the correct way to place her fine white neck on the chopping block, no doubt he would even proffer a silken cushion, not like those French bumpkins who martyred the fair Marie Antoinette.
Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 01:54 AMRebelPebbles,
re. Sectarianism.
I’m not sure that because someone is anti-catholic ( or protestant ) means they are a sectarian bigot provided they have arrived at that position from observing the facts and not because they are adherents to another sect which competes with it for theological truth or reccruits.
I’m not too keen on the catholic church because of their birth control policy and its impact on the 3rd world but dont consider myself sectarian as I dont like Ballymena style stuff either.
Re. the qaurefellah in the vatican - as he was a member of hitler youth ( even if only for 5 minutes and under duress ) then I’m afraid a bit of teasing is to be welcomed.
It may be just me and my age, but in the sexist world we live in, to suggest that a female ( named ) poster gets around a bit may give the impression of a rather catholic view on female sexuality.
Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 07:41 AMHarry its a universal dislike with a slight caveat added. If I met a surgeon Iwould him/her their first name and ask them if they would not mnid being addressed using their name.
I speak to clergy on first name terms.
Believe it most people would rather be addressed by their name as opposed a title.
Would you call your solicitor by his /her name or call or address them using the term solicitor or lawyer vwho ever.
I would usually refer to my doctor by his first name and I have met Mary Robinson and when speaking to her, I did this on first name terms.
How would you address MLA’s or indeed ministers by their first names or as MLA or minister who ever.
That to me is not being an oaf most titles are well over played.
Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 08:42 AMAhhh but theres a slight difference Harry.
Presidents are elected, Doctors earn their titles, and priests..... well even they studied and worked to get where they are (à la the bloke from Reggie Perrin).The british monarch got the job through an accident of birth. She desevres no more or less respect than any other british citizen (even if one finds the manner in which her family attained its wealth distasteful). As a republican I could not address her as “your majesty” - she has done nothing to merit the title. She is an aging lady with loads of cash. She deserves the same respect as anybody else.
Mrs Windsor it is.Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 10:05 AMAh Mrs Windsor, aka Mrs Saxe Coburg Gotha, aka Queen of England, Queen of Scotland, Queen of Canada, Queen of Barbados, Queen of Kenya, etc...etc...glorious god fearing regina, pure and devine, reign forever over her many minions and subjects..... what a title, what a handle, what a woman!
However, go raibh mile maith agat for the Englishman Thomas Paine who awakened the world from such ideological slumber of slavery!
Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 10:18 AMHow do you refer to Mr. Ratzinger yourself Cut The Bull - if I may ask? Would you display piety to him perchance? I’m interested.....
Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 11:09 AMYeah no problem you can ask.
I would call him the head of the catholic church.
If speaking to him directly I would ask him would he mind if I spoke to him on first name terms, and to be honest, I dont think he would have a big problem with that.
Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 12:01 PMI know a lot of people who attennded and some who still attend Irish language schools. All of those schools have a policy that students refer to teachers on a first name basis.
It actually generates respect and does away with the nonsense of Miss or Sir, Master and such titles.
Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 12:06 PMFair enough Cut The Bull - fair play to you.
Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 12:15 PMTalking about titles I remember when I was at primary school. We had a male teacher called Bates now you can imagine the fun and embarrasment that this created.
When he was refered to as Master Bates. All the pupils including myself had no problem at all using his title.
I think this in a small way heps to prove that titles are as well being left to the side.
Posted by on Mar 14, 2008 @ 12:27 PM



